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[Intel] Sept 2024 (Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen Desktop Processors

Silent_Scone
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September 25th Update:

Beta BIOS Links (microcode 0x12B)

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    Intel Community Forum
    Intel has localized the Vmin Shift Instability issue to a clock tree circuit within the IA core which is particularly vulnerable to reliability aging under elevated voltage and temperature. Intel has observed these conditions can lead to a duty cycle shift of the clocks and observed system instability.  

Intel has identified four (4) operating scenarios that can lead to Vmin shift in affected processors:

  1. Motherboard power delivery settings exceeding Intel power guidance. 
    a.  Mitigation: Intel Default Settings recommendations for Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen desktop processors.  
  2. eTVB Microcode algorithm which was allowing Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen i9 desktop processors to operate at higher performance states even at high temperatures. 
    a.  Mitigation: microcode 0x125 (June 2024) addresses eTVB algorithm issue.  
  3. Microcode SVID algorithm requesting high voltages at a frequency and duration which can cause Vmin shift. 
    a.  Mitigation: microcode 0x129 (August 2024) addresses high voltages requested by the processor.  
  4. Microcode and BIOS code requesting elevated core voltages which can cause Vmin shift especially during periods of idle and/or light activity. 
    a.  Mitigation: Intel is releasing microcode 0x12B, which encompasses 0x125 and 0x129 microcode updates, and addresses elevated voltage requests by the processor during idle and/or light activity periods.  

Regarding the 0x12B update, Intel is working with its partners to roll out the relevant BIOS update to the public.

Intel’s internal testing comparing 0x12B microcode to 0x125 microcode – on Intel® Core™ i9-14900K with DDR5 5200MT/s memory1  - indicates performance impact is within run-to-run variation (ie. Cinebench* R23, Speedometer*, WebXPRT4*, Crossmark*). For gaming workloads on Intel® Core™ i9-14900K with DDR5 5600MT/s memory2, performance is also within run-to-run variation (ie. Shadow of the Tomb Raider*, Cyberpunk* 2077, Hitman 3: Dartmoor*, Total War: Warhammer III – Mirrors of Madness*). However, system performance is dependent on configuration and several other factors.

Intel® reaffirms that both Intel® Core™ 13th and 14th Gen mobile processors and future client product families – including the codename Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake families - are unaffected by the Vmin Shift Instability issue. We appreciate our customers’ patience throughout the investigation, as well as our partners’ support in the analysis and relevant mitigations. 

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August 2024

Hi all,

This update will be pinned here for clarity on the ongoing situation with some 13th and 14th-gen CPUs experiencing instability exhibited at stock.

Intel has issued the following statement (07/22/2024)

Based on extensive analysis of Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors returned to us due to instability issues, we have determined that elevated operating voltage is causing instability issues in some 13th/14th Gen desktop processors. Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor.

Intel is delivering a microcode patch which addresses the root cause of exposure to elevated voltages. We are continuing validation to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors are addressed. Intel is currently targeting mid-August for patch release to partners following full validation.

Intel is committed to making this right with our customers, and we continue asking any customers currently experiencing instability issues on their Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance.

https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/July-2024-Update-on-Instability-Reports-on-Intel-Core-13th...

For CPUs that exhibit unstable behaviour

Ensure you're on the latest BIOS for your motherboard

Update your motherboard BIOS to the latest revision containing microcode 0x125. Whilst this ucode revision does not resolve the issue, Intel has clarified that it contains fixes within microcode pertinent to Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (ETVB) behaviour that results in unexpected boost behaviour under certain thermal conditions.

Use Intel Base Profiles
The latest BIOS for your motherboard should contain Performance Preference options for Intel Base profiles. Ensure Intel Default Settings is selected. If using a 13th-Gen or 14th Gen i9 processor, choose Profile Performance.
If not selected already, ensure that SVID Behaviour is set to Intel Fail Safe

My CPU is running hotter using Intel Base Profiles than Asus Optimised, is this normal?
Yes, it can be normal for your CPU to run hotter than usual when using Intel base profiles. This occurs because following Intel's guidelines more closely often results in higher core voltages under certain workloads. Previously, motherboard vendors set the Load-Line Calibration (LLC) lower than Intel's recommendations to achieve lower temperatures while still delivering high performance. However, depending on your motherboard adhering to Intel's guidelines can lead to increased voltages whilst operating within Intel's current limits. This can result in higher operating temperatures depending on the workload.

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Disable XMP

XMP is considered overclocking. To eliminate overclocking instability XMP should be disabled if experiencing crashing or unstable behaviour. Be sure to retest the behaviour at DRAM defaults.

Evaluate Cooling

Ensure your CPU cooling is working within the expected realms. If still experiencing instability under the conditions described above, consider reapplying the thermal application and removing any third-party CPU contact frames which may impact signal integrity.

Is my CPU damaged?

If still experiencing instability at Optimised Defaults [Intel - Performance / Extreme Profile] with XMP overclocking disabled, you will need to contact Intel.

I've read there was a fabrication issue with oxidisation, Intel has confirmed it.
This issue is unrelated to the ETVB behaviour and firmware and is a physical defect. Currently,  Intel has gone on record to state that a number of 13th-generation CPUs from 2023 are potentially impacted by this issue

ASUS FAQ

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No, don't think it's a bug. If you're under Intel Defaults then CEP is a default. Changing the loadline isn't.

13900KS / 8000 CAS36 / ROG APEX Z790 / ROG TUF RTX 4090

Scars_YT
Level 8

am currently using bios version 1645 on z790 tuf gaming plus wifi d5 with 14700k (only changed mce to enforce all limits and xmp tweaked profile)
my core vid max is about 1.44v and vcore (1.39 to 1.41) experiencing no crashes at games or heavy process average temp from 65 to 75 , ambient temp 28 ,, should i update to the latest bios (1663) for more safety or keep the one am using now consider the negative reviews on the performance impact after the update ,, also if i updated it what settings i need to change am pretty much not that experienced with bios things

Richard89
Level 7
I have question, is there any difference between the beta bios version 3802 and the final version 3802 for Z690 Hero ?

raven969
Level 8

I am thinking about disabling Hyperthreading for good on 13700K CPU. Would "Disable hyperthreading" setting conflict with 1.55V limit in 0x129 microcode? What was your experience in regards to thermals with disabled hyperthreading? I am ready to loose some performance. Just would like to be on a safe side and keep system cooler.

I do not really understand the role of hyperthreading currently. I know that Intel claims that it provides 0-30% performance boost for P-cores only (which can easily be 0% most of the time). In single threading scenario 13700K has 8 P-cores which is kind of enough. In multithreading - 16 P-Cores+E-Cores. I doubt that there is a good algorithm effectively balancing execution threads between P-Cores + E-Cores + (Hyperthreading half-whatever is left cores).

kalo86
Level 10

I just tried the setting "IA CEP = Disabled" and the computer is super quiet.
I'm running the Intel Default profile, I wonder if IA CEP should be disabled or Active.

14900KF / STRIX Z790-E WIFI II / TUF RX 7900 XTX / 64GB DDR5-6000 / 1000W Aura Gold PSU / iCUE Link H170i

Disabling IA CEP also improves performance - see https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel-700-600-series/weird-svid-behaviour-in-new-z790-bios/td-p/103702... 

I tried changing SVID Behaviour from Intel Fail Safe to Typical and was astonisehd to find a drastic reduction in the Cinebench score. Disabling IA CEP restored the performance with good thermal performance. However, is it safe to keep IA CEP disabled for the longevity of the CPU?

viperwolf
Level 9

Im wondering if my chip is showing signs of degrading or its something in my settings. I was very stable with a XTU .125 undervolt. Then Forza on start up, started crashing to desktop with no errors or anything. I had to raise the voltage to .090 to get it to launch. Anything you guys see I need to change?

Performance-Intel default

CPU Core/Cache Limit Max= 320

Short term-253

Long term=253

SVID- Auto

Bios Undervolt Protection-Disabled

-CPU Load-Line Input Calibration= Auto
-CPU Load-Line Calibration= Level 3

-IA TDC Current Limit= Intels Default

Rangers Lead The Way!

jrexlol
Level 9

I'm sorry but this is not working at all with my Asus Z790-E Gaming Wifi II MOBO, with 14900K. I updated my BIOS to 1503, which includes microcode of 0x129. But after now Intel and Asus will stay as a disappointment for me. I mostly play WoW and my temperatures geting like 70-75 celsius at Valdrakken (Capital City) and in Stormwind (another capital) it's around 55-60 celsius. As cooler, i have Corsair h150i 360mm, plus i have 3x Corsair QX fan for side panel. Total i have 10 fans in my case and this stupid CPU still working at high temperatures even with %10-15 load. My GPU is RTX4080. 

PerpetualCycle
Level 13

@Silent_Scone

Does setting "IA VR Voltage limit" to 1550 mv do the same thing as microcode 0x129 with Intel profiles? If not, what is the difference?

TIA


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Only Intel is privy to how the voltage is being capped. Can only say that setting IA VR Voltage limit will cap the voltage.

13900KS / 8000 CAS36 / ROG APEX Z790 / ROG TUF RTX 4090