07-23-2024 12:37 AM - last edited a week ago
September 25th Update:
Beta BIOS Links (microcode 0x12B)
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Intel has identified four (4) operating scenarios that can lead to Vmin shift in affected processors:
Regarding the 0x12B update, Intel is working with its partners to roll out the relevant BIOS update to the public.
Intel’s internal testing comparing 0x12B microcode to 0x125 microcode – on Intel® Core™ i9-14900K with DDR5 5200MT/s memory1 - indicates performance impact is within run-to-run variation (ie. Cinebench* R23, Speedometer*, WebXPRT4*, Crossmark*). For gaming workloads on Intel® Core™ i9-14900K with DDR5 5600MT/s memory2, performance is also within run-to-run variation (ie. Shadow of the Tomb Raider*, Cyberpunk* 2077, Hitman 3: Dartmoor*, Total War: Warhammer III – Mirrors of Madness*). However, system performance is dependent on configuration and several other factors.
Intel® reaffirms that both Intel® Core™ 13th and 14th Gen mobile processors and future client product families – including the codename Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake families - are unaffected by the Vmin Shift Instability issue. We appreciate our customers’ patience throughout the investigation, as well as our partners’ support in the analysis and relevant mitigations.
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August 2024
Hi all,
This update will be pinned here for clarity on the ongoing situation with some 13th and 14th-gen CPUs experiencing instability exhibited at stock.
Intel has issued the following statement (07/22/2024)
Based on extensive analysis of Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors returned to us due to instability issues, we have determined that elevated operating voltage is causing instability issues in some 13th/14th Gen desktop processors. Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor.
Intel is delivering a microcode patch which addresses the root cause of exposure to elevated voltages. We are continuing validation to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors are addressed. Intel is currently targeting mid-August for patch release to partners following full validation.
Intel is committed to making this right with our customers, and we continue asking any customers currently experiencing instability issues on their Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance.
For CPUs that exhibit unstable behaviour
Ensure you're on the latest BIOS for your motherboard
Update your motherboard BIOS to the latest revision containing microcode 0x125. Whilst this ucode revision does not resolve the issue, Intel has clarified that it contains fixes within microcode pertinent to Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (ETVB) behaviour that results in unexpected boost behaviour under certain thermal conditions.
Use Intel Base Profiles
The latest BIOS for your motherboard should contain Performance Preference options for Intel Base profiles. Ensure Intel Default Settings is selected. If using a 13th-Gen or 14th Gen i9 processor, choose Profile Performance.
If not selected already, ensure that SVID Behaviour is set to Intel Fail Safe
My CPU is running hotter using Intel Base Profiles than Asus Optimised, is this normal?
Yes, it can be normal for your CPU to run hotter than usual when using Intel base profiles. This occurs because following Intel's guidelines more closely often results in higher core voltages under certain workloads. Previously, motherboard vendors set the Load-Line Calibration (LLC) lower than Intel's recommendations to achieve lower temperatures while still delivering high performance. However, depending on your motherboard adhering to Intel's guidelines can lead to increased voltages whilst operating within Intel's current limits. This can result in higher operating temperatures depending on the workload.
Disable XMP
XMP is considered overclocking. To eliminate overclocking instability XMP should be disabled if experiencing crashing or unstable behaviour. Be sure to retest the behaviour at DRAM defaults.
Evaluate Cooling
Ensure your CPU cooling is working within the expected realms. If still experiencing instability under the conditions described above, consider reapplying the thermal application and removing any third-party CPU contact frames which may impact signal integrity.
Is my CPU damaged?
If still experiencing instability at Optimised Defaults [Intel - Performance / Extreme Profile] with XMP overclocking disabled, you will need to contact Intel.
I've read there was a fabrication issue with oxidisation, Intel has confirmed it.
This issue is unrelated to the ETVB behaviour and firmware and is a physical defect. Currently, Intel has gone on record to state that a number of 13th-generation CPUs from 2023 are potentially impacted by this issue
08-13-2024 01:38 AM - edited 08-13-2024 01:39 AM
I think given how you're concerned you should stick to Intel Defaults. That's all one can say at this point. The ASUS Optimised profile offers thermal and performance benefits but still operates outside of what Intel has now conformed to its specification.
08-13-2024 02:20 AM
Will setting XMP to enable also mess with intels settings ?
08-13-2024 02:41 AM
From the first pinned post, XMP is considered overclock. Please understand the high risk of compromising the CPU for this generation.
It's better to play with overclock with another platform (not Intel, maybe a future PC based on AMD). The 14th gen Intel it's recommended to be used with conservative settings. It has been written tons of times and this is clear....
08-13-2024 02:44 AM - edited 08-13-2024 02:56 AM
Not ones that will impact the VID. Everything seems to have become "Intel settings" over the last couple of months, but XMP is overclocking.
The values in SPD for VDDQ/VDD are applied as well as VCCSA and IMC VDD/IVR values auto-scaling depending on the memory frequency.
08-13-2024 12:42 PM
Yeah you’re probably right. Least till people have had time to mess with this. I would just want to do a modest regular OC we all have for years.going past 1.55v sounds nut lol. I had my 9700k oc’d to 5ghz all cores at 1.35v for almost 7 years with no signs of issues. Now with all this I’m afraid any changes will kill the chip. Hope that’s not the case. Anyway thanks for making that post and replying
08-14-2024 02:03 AM
I just don't understand that statement. My understanding is unless you run the Intel profile, you don't get the 1.55v limit. But if I run the Intel profile, overclocking settings are locked in the Asus Bios. Can't even change multipliers or anything. All you can do is undervolt with a global svid offset. That is not overclocking.
08-14-2024 04:28 AM - edited 08-14-2024 04:30 AM
This was meaning more that it makes sense to ensure you're on the latest microcode regardless of what you aim to do with the CPU.
In terms of the voltage limit, please note that only Intel knows the extent of changes that go into the microcode, or even as much as if the ETVB update relates to the enforced voltage cap. RD has done extensive testing with the update though and confirmed that enabling ETVB does limit the voltage, it's just unclear how exactly they [Intel] are doing it.
08-12-2024 10:16 PM
******, I guess maybe the answer is no we can never overlock 🤦♂️ has anybody noticed this behavior with ASUS z790? https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2024/08/12/raptor_lake_cpu_microcode_patch/
08-13-2024 01:09 AM - edited 08-13-2024 01:18 AM
@INDIANAJUNE2 wrote:
******, I guess maybe the answer is no we can never overlock 🤦♂️ has anybody noticed this behavior with ASUS z790? https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2024/08/12/raptor_lake_cpu_microcode_patch/
This is obviously true but thanks for bringing this up since it might be easily overlooked.
Even as the BIOS itself warns the user when anything but the INTEL Default Settings are chosen.
However, I would have expected the vendor to adjust their OC profiles to be more on the save side, eg not use unlimited power supply but stop it at some point.
08-12-2024 02:43 PM
If I can run Cinebench R23 and Unreal Engine 5.x games without issue, but Edge gives me random access violation and breakpoint errors what does this mean? Been pulling my hair out since purchasing the pc. Running Windows 11, RTX 4090, all latest drivers and updates installed.