5930k overclocking / cooling / newbie blowing stuff up! Lots of questions!

[adambean]

Hey all,

Still getting my feet wet with everything OC. Kinda flying blind just learning as I go; however a few things.

First off, my recently completed rig: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/K6CZ6h

Now for all my questions, thank you in advance!

1) My first pass, I relied on ASUS "5 way optimization" to auto tune (I know ... I know, but I am still naive)
- BLCK Frequency: 100mhz
- Ratio: 4400mhz
- CPU Cache Ration: 30x
- CPU Core Voltage, Offset: 0.075
- CPU Core Voltage, Offset: 1.200
- CPU Cache Voltage, Offset: 0.000
- CPU Cache Voltage, Offset: Default
1a) What if anything of the above should I be changing? Any other things I should change?
1b) My buddy has a 5820k that auto-tuned to 4.7 ... I tried to go to 4.7 and I crashed. Assuming I can't just change the ratio but also have to tinker with the voltage as well?
1c) When using the auto-tune, it shuts down and never comes back up ... I always have to reset the settings in BIOS. What would cause this?

2) In idle state (with the above OC), I'm typically hovering in the low to mid 30's - good/bad?

3) I just used OCCT for the first time and after I hit 100% CPU, I crashed after 4 minutes in. At the time, Core 1 was at 80; whereas the rest were between 65-75.
3a) My fans never spun faster ... why?

4) With the Swifttech H-240x, should I be replacing the Helix factory fans?
4a) Should I add a third fan for a partial push/pull?
4b) Should I replace the Swifttech with something else? I've been dwelling on this forever and my buddy just built a similar rig and he's idling at 30 with a Corsair H105 ... makes me nervous.

Thanks!

[adambean]

After briefly flipping through this (http://rog.asus.com/365052014/overclocking/rog-overclocking-guide-core-for-5960x-5930k-5820k/), I jumped up the OC voltage to 1.30 and the Ratio to 4.6 ... so far, so good.

[Qwinn]

Yikes, double post, see below.

[Minsekt]

1a) read the sticky/guides in this forum on how to overclock, every chip is different.
1b) just because your buddys chip did does not mean yours can too, especially if youre using a different cpu.
1c) what Qcode does your Mobo show when that happens?

2) thats totally fine. watercooling temperature is always based on your ambient temperature, it cant drop below your AT. so AT + 5/10C is totally fine.
3) OCCT goes Pretty hard on your CPU, if you dont even know how to Overclock yet dont use OCCT. try Realbench - its great. (but it doesnt make your cpu more stable obviously, lol) 80c is okay, but you dont want it to run more than 85c
3a) how did you connect your pump/fans? directly to your mobo? is there a fancontroller on your swifttech? its propably a PWM Controller, so you have to set your Fanspeed in Bios / AISuite Manually/Automatically.

4) no the fans are fine, there are better/quieter fans out there but they do their job well, dont worry.
4a) not necessary.
4b) no , theres no difference between all of those AIO coolers (expect the EK WB Predator) , like i said in 1a) and 2) your temps are based on your Ambient Temperature and your particular Chip. the 5830k runs a little hotter anyways.

[Qwinn]

The auto tune voltage is about right, may be able to go down a little but probably not a lot. If you hit 80c on a core in occt after 4 minutes, at only 1.3v (which is probably what you're really hitting on load), 4.4 is definitely the highest you'll want to consider for 24/7 with your current cooling. Never let cores go over 77 max, and don't let CPU package temp go over 80c sustained (very brief spikes up to 83 or so are ok). I'd recommend lowering your total adaptive vcore to 1.25-1.26 and setting input voltage at 1.9 and trying OCCT again, see how much of a difference it makes. Can also try Load Line Calibration 7 or 8, see if that helps (if you set it to 7, put input voltage as high as 1.95 as it will actually drop under load).

I'd be curious how your friend auto-tuned to 4.7 and what voltage that set him to. I'd be surprised if it wasn't set to a dangerous level at that speed.

[Minsekt]

Qwinn wrote:
The auto tune voltage is about right, may be able to go down a little but probably not a lot. If you hit 80c on a core in occt after 4 minutes, at only 1.3v (which is probably what you're really hitting on load), 4.4 is definitely the highest you'll want to consider for 24/7 with your current cooling. Never let cores go over 77 max, and don't let CPU package temp go over 80c sustained (very brief spikes up to 83 or so are ok). I'd recommend lowering your total adaptive vcore to 1.25-1.26 and setting input voltage at 1.9 and trying OCCT again, see how much of a difference it makes. Can also try Load Line Calibration 7 or 8, see if that helps (if you set it to 7, put input voltage as high as 1.95 as it will actually drop under load).

I'd be curious how your friend auto-tuned to 4.7 and what voltage that set him to. I'd be surprised if it wasn't set to a dangerous level at that speed.

he propably used a X99-A or X99-Deluxe, because on the Rampave V Extreme there are only OC Presets in AISuite. ive tried my Chip on a X99-A too and it OC'd to 4.9 (5820k) untill it crashed.. (but voltage did go up to 1.450v lol) on the Rampage V Extreme AISuite there are only 4.0,4.2 and 4.4ghz available. but well, its a board designed for ppl that know what theyre doing.

[adambean]

Wow, thanks for all the prompt responses!

@Minsekt
1a) I started to read the guide, it's pretty awesome, just haven't had proper time to digest. Obviously I'm trying to cut corners and figure out the biggest bang for my buck.
1c) I didn't look at the Qcode at that time. I haven't rerun the test yet.

2) Yesterday I upped the OC voltage to 1.3 and the ratio to 46. Ran stable all night; however actively using the machine today, I started idling in the low 50's. Just went back down to 1.2 and 44 as I wasn't sure if it's bad to be idling that high or not.
3a) Swifttech has a PWM hub. Both fans + the pump connect to it, then that connects to the CPU header. So wait, that means that in times of high temps, my CPU won't auto-cool itself? Is that because of the hub? Does that in itself warrant the idea of bailing on the Swiftech? This seemed to be the fan favorite during all my research time of which cooler to go with. ****.

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@Qwinn
When you say that, that makes me nervous about my overall cooling. I have a front 200mm intake, bottom 120mm intake, rear 120mm exhaust and dual 140mm top exhausts on the rad. This is all in an Enthoo Luxe. Seems like plenty of cooling no?

He's also idling with 4.7 in the low 30's, which makes me a bit jealous. He has a lower chip, mobo and cooler. He's using an Asus Sabertooth - which is the original board I was going to get. Then I replaced for the Deluxe, and then finally onto the Rampage. I probably should have stuck with the Deluxe as this board is silly overkill for me.

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Thanks!

[Minsekt]

whats your power plan? im idling with 28-31C @ 4.6ghz / 1.23vcore / 1.820 cpu input voltage and 1.0v vccsa
if im using high performance my temps are rising up to 40C in idle, when using balanced its downclocking the cpu to 1200ish mhz in idle and temps are dropping about 10-12C. ive just made 2 shortcuts for the power plans and put them on my taskbar.

[adambean]

Minsekt wrote:
whats your power plan? im idling with 28-31C @ 4.6ghz / 1.23vcore / 1.820 cpu input voltage and 1.0v vccsa
if im using high performance my temps are rising up to 40C in idle, when using balanced its downclocking the cpu to 1200ish mhz in idle and temps are dropping about 10-12C. ive just made 2 shortcuts for the power plans and put them on my taskbar.

For my power, I just have it sitting on Auto. I'm not yet sure (I know i need to read), what all the differences are in offset voltage vs. oc voltage and which should be changed.

Sitting here doing almost nothing at the moment and I'm idling at 44. I don't like this ... I thought the Swifttech was supposed to be the best choice?

Using auto-tune, it shuts down windows, display goes black and the case remains on with the fans turned up. I thought this was a direct effect of some other mishaps, so I actually replaced the CPU, GPU and mobo; however it's still stalling when doing the way 5 way optimization. When I forcefully shut it off, it boots up saying overclocking failed. I then have to reset to stock and reboot. Upon booting up, the auto tune goes back into it's fan tuning ... wtf?

Kere's what I'm at right now:

[Qwinn]

"For my power, I just have it sitting on Auto."

That option doesn't exist. He's not talking about a BIOS setting, he's talking about the power plan in Windows. The High Performance plan in Windows effectively disables adaptive voltage mode and has you running at your maximum voltage at all times.