thermal throttling and Overheat fix

[Yousuckat69]

-During my modding of g16 g614ji 2023 to unlock the bios to fix ram issue, i take the moment to fix a heat problem too and i manage to drop few  temperature and stop to go in to thermal throttling probable when will have more time and more tools and stuff i will make something more better, then standard stock trash asus made because they have the possibility to make a good cooling solution but they engineering are so bad and cheap ass.
-Stuff i use: Kafuter K-704B thermal conductive epoxy to seal the pieces, x5 copper pipes 110x8x3mm, x4 copper pipes 120x8x3mm,
15x15x0.5mm square copper plates (i use the 0.5mm because i have no idea how tall they will be need it so i stack them to find the best size), 2x heat sink raspberry 13x12x5mm x2 extra will be added in future when will come.
-Now the gpu run full speed with no undervolt and temperature are from 80c to max 84c
Cpu is the terrible part here because is a monster in producing heat yeah intel sucks and i manage let it sit around 89c to 95c max
but still not good for me still undervolt on offset voltage -30.3 and speed locked to 4.8ghz.
-Gpu heat got tank alot but still cpu is to hot and will need more modification, plastic cover under need a very small modification but nothing hard and change nothing to esthetic.
-Problem of asus poor engeniring design and cheap idea, laptop need more mass surface to cool down and collect heat to allow to dissipate the heat and this is missing still surprice how they put price on this laptops but inside is cheap hard.
*Suggestion*
change the thermal putty with thermal (grizzly putty pro) and remove completly the liquid metal and use direcly thermal grizzly kryonaut both Cpu and Gpu

[eXplode]

Honestly, even after your upgrade, those temps still seem quite high to me. I have a ROG Strix SCAR G634JZ with an i9-13980HX, and without any internal cooling mods — just using an IETS GT500 cooler — both the CPU and GPU stay at lower temperatures under load.

I’ve also undervolted my CPU through V/F points, with around -200 mV on both P-core and P-cache, which helps a lot with temps and stability.

The screenshots I posted show that I’ve disabled 8 performance cores, which actually gives me better FPS and more power headroom for the active P-cores.

I’m not saying this to brag, but I think if you add a good external cooling pad, you could get even better results — especially for the CPU, since it still runs pretty hot.

 

  

 

[Yousuckat69]

Yes but you do test with games and you never will push cpu or gpu at 100% usage this is why im doing strees test and push the gpu and cpu to 100% to see the maximum temps to understand how much the new cooling works.
CPu i9-13980hx start throttling 95c +
Gpu 4070 start 86c +
Main goal is to stop the throttiling and get more performance reducing temps but only few cores are goin hard in temps so now i need to fix that and i will have even less temps so yeah my mod work perfecly
 

[eXplode]

I made 2 videos and stressed the laptop to maximum performance — just watch the power usage, temps, % usage, CPU power, everything at 100%. I did two separate tests, and even then, I still got better temps than you. I think you might have made a few mistakes during your setup or testing, which could explain why your temperatures aren’t as low. Most importantly, you should definitely add an external cooler like the IETS G500 or Liano Cooler — it makes a huge difference in performance and temps.

if you wont more tests tell me i can make a video of 30 minutes stress no problem to see what are the temps 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbqVy1L_QKc&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tipiHAauv-I

[Yousuckat69]

Dude you understand you try to compare your undervolt agaist my stock running? the moment you will go stock your temp will rise up more then mine and looks like you dont know how to make test. so please use google and watch some videos.

[eXplode]

Nope even if i remove the undervolts the temps for the gpu will be the same and for the CPU they will be few degrees more but not as high as yours .... If you wont i can make a video whitout undervolts to see the difference 

[ElectroStingz]

Hello,

Are you sure it's overheating? Because if you do not factor in how the Intel Boost technology works and what the cores are running at (frequency) when operating at the high temperature it's not showing the whole story.

95 Deg C may be a thermal throttle limit for the CPU but that doesn't mean it's not meant to hit this as the CPU will also be pushing the cores under the "adaptive boost technology" to anything under 100 Deg C. This is also part of the Intel design specification so if the cores have the power and thermal margin available they will continue to boost even past this temperature. You will see this if you run a default setup and a CPU intensive stress test, the cores will still run around 3GHz whilst sitting at or over 95 DegC. 

So if the CPU always boosts itself to the limit it will always hit the limit no matter what happens. The cooler you make it means it will still hit the limit but the difference should be the frequency, will run a higher boost for the same load.

It's the same principle when someone undervolts, the CPU will actually be able to boost higher depending on the task as it's running cooler. Same logic why undervolting CPU/GPU can increase performance.

When comparing temperatures it is important to always include the CPU frequency to determine if it is actually throttling or not.  Alternatively the best method to test your heatpipe configuration would have been a test before with the CPU boost disabled to maintain constant operating conditions then redo the same test with the new pipes. (and work out your temperature difference / delta).

I'm also interested to know why you are suggesting Kryonaut over the Liquid metal design choice? In terms of performance nothing comes close to liquid metal but what are your reasons for this suggestion?

[Yousuckat69]

Personally i stopped doing hardcore OC at z390 apex, now because i lack of time to dedicated and the job im doing right allow only me to have a laptop because i travel alot. 

Will answer first to the question about liquid metal or classic paste. the difference about liquid metal and normal paste is just about 3-4 maybe 5c nothing special in some case but for practicality normal paste is so far more easy to use less mess and fast to use if you need to make maintenance, and for laptop liquid metal have no sense because yes is transfer more faster the heat but because of mass of absorption is missing because of tiny plate at the die and few pipes this idea not work at all, this will work only when you have a water cooling or big headsink. and because laptop is made to move around liquid metal will move too and will spill around after some time and start losing contact i see the liquid metal of asus (trash quality and poor applied) and i see conductonaut doing the same will lose the perfect contact with the die and plate. for laptop using liquid metal is just pure marketing stuff. at the end is just about thermodinamic and application.

About undervolt is basically give less energy and find the sweet spot where the cpu-gpu will work at the minimum energy  giving his best performance but at the end you are just limiting the component.
But when you are able to cool down the component basically you have more margin of power and more increse energy

The history of undervolt born of the idea to try to minimize the degradation of the components and reduce heat this apply very well today on laptops and some cases where people are not able to cooldown they components, but if we talk about main pc towers undervolt is no need it
at all is just bs for my opinion.

Stupid example if you undervolt a cpu at -250mv and this will allow you to hit 5.3ghz and allow you to have 350 fps in game i can do the same with no undervolt at 4.9/5.0 maybe 5.1ghz but you will suffer more drops and instability on fps, me i will have  stable fps with no big drops this is the difference and will not gonna even mention the latency because this is more far deep and complicated story.

the problem i see it long time ago with the 9990k i allready understand and predict how intel will do with the other future gens cpu and basically they just doing trash product with no innovation because they push more to make everything more smaller and more hungry energy demending there is no innovation and less gain and is the same story for nvidia piece of s.h.i.t after 1080ti other cards are just trash gpu with filters on filters on top more filters and because im old school for me gaming/OC sector is dead allready.

My program now will be to understand how to work around to figure out how to get the best stable performance of this laptop but first i will need to unlock the bios to get inside the hidden option where i can touch everything because this days everything is limited by manufacture and is like working with 2 hands tied behind your back literally and is bad, because they excuse is allways yeah we do this so people will not destroy they pc... ok.. ok.. but what about the expert people who wonna manage they pc to get the best result? is allways like this a big f.u.c.k. off and bye this is why i dont like how all the pc sector work this days

[Zalevskiy]

UMAF (github) works with advanced BIOS (tested on 331 and 331 to > 313 downgrade SPI), but first, dump a working Winbond flash drive. For now, I've carefully lowered the Voltage Limit, which is an alternative to Ucode 129. A week of testing hasn't produced any issues, and the fans have become quieter.

I also experimented with the HD Audio tabs, and my laptop went into secure boot > deployed mode. Now I can't delete secure boot keys; I can only update and restore. However, I'm lucky I don't use this or play games, so be extremely careful with settings you don't understand.

To fix the resolution, you need to go to Boot Maintenance Manager > Boot From File and then go back

[Yousuckat69]

This is very basic and risky just with few options,my bios mod is ready with everything unlocked but we are working to bypass the intel boot guard adding and trying with the RSA keys to let boot the laptop.