04-01-2023 06:01 PM
I want Asus officials to support this issue. I want to upgrade ROG Strix G18 (2023) RAM to 5600 mhz. Please do a bios update for it. Other brands allow up to 6000 MHz.
10-30-2023 11:58 PM - edited 10-31-2023 12:08 AM
Hi @Ranty79,
I did some research and found a german article where a guy build up his desktop system with up to 3 NVME Kingston KC3000 and tested it. Luckily he did some screenshots from Crystal Diskmark so we can see the difference in here 😉
Here we can see the standard configuration for 1 single drive. The performance seems to be o.k. to me.
This is the configuration build of a RAID0 with 2 drives. As we can see the sequential read and write performance will raise up, but in the same way the random read and write performance will drop.
At least he build up a RAID0 configuration with 3 drives of the same NVME type to see how they will perform together. We see an another performance increase in sequential read and write performance and nearly a little increase in random read and write performance compared to the 2 drive build, but never reaches the performance of a single drive. So what does this mean to us in practical use ? Let's keep it as simple as my little brain can handle it. From my knowledge the data on drives are written one by one to the drive and the space ( cell / sektor ) which is used for the datapackage is coordinated by the controler of the NVME. So large files will be written in one flow to their neighbour cells / sektors ( like cars where driven onto a car ferry ). Smaller files will be written into the next, fresh cell which has not been used often ( chaotic system like a chess board in half of the game where some fields are occupied with figures and some are empty ). When we keep this in mind ( from my understanding ) the sequential read is the performance of big, large files read from the drive ( like you empty the car ferry ) and the the random read is for our smaller files ( in my example the chess board where the figures must be picked one by one from the board and have to jump over the empty spaces ). Hopefully you can follow my stupid comparsions 😂
So what does this mean to practical use to me ? As long as I'm handling large files like ISO images, single backup files, movies, very large pictures or large compressed containers like *.ZIP or *.RAR archieves etc. they where stored ( let's say ) sequential. When it comes to smaller files like programms often uses multiple small information data like *.INI, *.DLL, *.INF and stuff like that, they where stored ( let's call it ) randomly on the drive.
If I'm right in my thoughts I personally would prefer a NVME drive with good IOPS performance in 4K random read and write instead of the ( good marketing strategic ) sequential max read and write speeds. I my theory that must bring up a better boost and performance to the system when you handle most time small files ( like Windows itself or games mostly do ). And then there's an other big point in newer technologies which uses part of the system RAM to coordinate the data to the NVME instead of a separate DRAM on the drive itself. There are some interesting articles about that. That's the reason why I'm not pretty sure if I will upgrade my system with a WD black SN850X ( with DRAM ) or try to test out a Lexar NM790 ( without DRAM ) meanwhile the latest news are praising YMTC for their new memory chips and technology.
But I think this story goes to deep now and if anyone is interested in this, he can find some interesting articles about that stuff ( or can write me a PM to discuss a bit of that ) 😉
Link to the article of the RAID0 test ( sadly in german, but hopefully it can be translated ) where the screenshots are from.
At least, this is only my understanding how this all works and like I said before - if I'm wrong in my thoughts or have a point missing - please feel free to correct me. Thank you
10-31-2023 01:19 AM
Hi Yakehoo,
why would I ever correct you? forums are also made to exchange ideas and opinions and I must say that all the observations you make are more than valid!!!
My problem, if you can call it that, is that I'm seeing an upward trend of 3D design with 3D city parts taken from Google Maps and movie creation.
I work in the world of trade fair installations, installations for tours and events in the square of both an advertising and sporting nature and in the 3 months that I started my own business, the requests for 3D modeling with related films have tripled!
For this reason I always have to deal with files of at least 300/400 MB in modeling and related films, which often reach 5/6 GB before editing and compressing them a little.
I work with these files more often than with small files and to date my system when it makes automatic saves freezes for 1 or 2 minutes on large files.
From there the idea of the raid0 was born, having tried it previously and with great satisfaction on my part, but at that time I was working for an agency and I did less of this modeling.
Then I needed to have more space on the system (previously there were 2 256GB disks in Raid0 + 1 traditional 1TB disk, not even SSD) and by switching to 1TB Samsungs I lost the Raid0 and I regretted it a bit.
I also don't use the PC to play, I have the x-box but I have so little free time that I only keep it so my nephew can play with it when he comes to visit me and maybe I'm finishing some work.
I'm still thinking about the best configuration, I haven't decided yet...
Anyway, thank you for your technical analyses, they are of great help to me!
11-13-2023 08:08 AM
BIOS:
317 - Stable (SODIMM 5200MHz 64GB)
318 - BSOD
321 - BSOD
ASUS ROG Strix G18 G814JI-N6062
SODIMM Kingston FURY Impact [KF556S40IBK2-64]
When will the latest stable BIOS be released???
11-13-2023 08:15 AM
i'm updated 321, and my couple ram samsung can 5200mhz/5600mhz with 64GB right now, run stable, not blue screen on Scar16 G634JZ
11-13-2023 11:44 AM
Dear @mib37,
are you sure that the BSOD are depending on the BIOS versions ? So you're still using the stable version 317 for you, right ?
I'm just asking because if we're talking about Windows, it's doing Updates all the time and drivers are also updated continously.
BIOS 317 released on 7/18/23
BIOS 318 released on 9/5/23
BIOS 321 released on 11/10/23
The first ( and last ) BSOD I had on my G834JZ depends on the latest preview Version of Windows 23H2 and was talking about a file called nvml.* ( or something like that ) causing this issue. So I updated both graphiccard drivers manually with a clean install of newer versions and since then I never had a BSOD again.
So let me try to understand you correctly. You had never problems with 317, 2 month later you installed the newer version 318 ( get's BSODs and return back to 317 ? ), waited an other 2 month for version 321 and get the same problems with BSOD in there and turned back again to your stable version 317 without any issues while never changing any system details, updated some drivers or something like that within these 4 month so that you definitly can say the problems came from the BIOS updates themselve ? In this case your BSOD must causes randomly crashes with different files on the BSOD info screen while dumping a crash info file, right ? If so, it could also been an issue with your NVME drive, but when it never happend again while using 317 this couldn't be the reason and your NVME should be o.k. Otherwise please inspect your BSOD screen in the bottom part ( below the QR Code ) while generating the dump file to figure out which file causes the crash and try to find out how to fix that problem. Google will help you in that way to find out what kind of driver is using this explicit file and causing this problem ( if it's always the same file ).
Don't get me wrong, it may be possible that such problems can be gernerated by a BIOS update, but mostly they're generated by some updated drivers. Like I said in my case a clean installation of newer graphicscard drivers fixed my problems.
Hopefully this will help you to fix your system.
11-14-2023 08:12 PM
Updated all drivers and GPU
Result:
317 - BSOD
321 - BSOD (after 10 minutes of operation)
ASUS ROG Strix G18 G814JI-N6062
SODIMM Kingston FURY Impact [KF556S40IBK2-64]
11-14-2023 08:26 PM - edited 11-14-2023 08:28 PM
There are a few things I think you should check in the ways I've listed below:
1. Make sure the Ram is clean, the mounting slot is clean, blow clean, and do not tarnish the Ram's legs
2. You should reinstall Windows cleanly and from the Source set created from Microsoft's genuine Media Creation Tool (tool downloaded directly from Microsoft).
3. If you have another computer, you should attach the RAM to another computer to test whether the RAM works properly and stably.
4. How do you upgrade BIOS? In my opinion, you should upgrade the BIOS by putting the rom file on a USB and then installing a new bios using the EZ Flash Utility in currently BIOS - I do not prioritize installing a new BIOS from the Windows environment :v
11-14-2023 08:38 PM
1. Everything is perfect
2. Reinstalling Windows will not help 100%
3. The RAM is working properly since everything was stable on the old BIOS 317 and drivers
4. The BIOS was updated via the flash drive, and there was no border.
This is definitely a faulty BIOS - since installing native RAM, everything works!
11-15-2023 03:58 AM
Have you reinstalled Windows cleanly but you know it can't fix the error? Believe me, although it is not 100%, it is definitely over 50% that the error can be fixed, and the driver needs to be genuine from the hardware manufacturer (Not only ASUS provides it, for example my RTX4080 driver is download directly from nvidia site, for example)
11-15-2023 11:46 AM - edited 11-15-2023 11:49 AM
O.K. let me see if I understand you correctly. I know reinstalling Windows isn't such a nice idea while all the stuff must be reinstalled and configured again and that's not always fun and can durate a lot of time.
If I'm understanding your right the problem is only with newer BIOS versions in combination with the Kingston RAM ? So when you go back to version 317 you have no problems ? Therefore you can flash back to 317 and prevent Windows and MyASUS from updating newer versions automatically. If you ask google you'll find a little tutorial how this works.
But I ask myself why the newer versions generating such problems in your system. If I understand you right, you go back to the original RAM ( sold within the laptop itself ) and had no further issues even with the newer BIOS versions ? So this sounds to me like a faulty RAM. Therefore we can first disable any kind of undervolting to get sure we have no stability issues. Then we can check the RAM with the onboard diagnosis tool from ASUS. You'll find it in the MyASUS App in Windows and the same short diagnosis tool in your BIOS. While it's only a short test, it isn't been 100% accurate but can help in some ways. For a big test you can use Prime95. While you're expecting errors within windows you can also use the DOS based version of Prime95 within the UBCD ( ultimate boot CD ). Attention, it's a mighty tool collection on a bootable drive and you have to know a bit of older system parameters, DOS commands and what are you doing in there, otherwise you can simply damage your system.
That's the way I would try to figure out where the problem came from. As I said before, the simplest way is to read the faulty file from the BSOD which causes the error. If it's not always the same file causing this error, you can check your hardware componentes. If I'm understanding you right, you still did all that stuff and can definitly say that there's a problem within your BIOS version while your Windows is running correctly, there's no driver issues and your RAM has also been tested to be 100% working correctly. In this case, please contact the official ASUS support and report your problem as detailed as you can.
As a private person I'm not responsible for any kind of damage you do to your system. You're doing all that stuff on your own risk. If you're not 100% sure what you're doing, don't do it. I just can give some hints to figure out what causes the problem and describe the way I would do it.