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[GL702VM & similar] Solution to Performance issues / Overheating / Throttling / Whine

onjax
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Hi guys, I bought GL702VM and was upset with its ability to handle games and high load. I had immediate temperature jump to over 85 jump and throttling / frame drops in games. So I decided to understand how to improve things, even though, I already lost my warranty due to my experiments, but at least I can answer for everyone, that:
- the main problem of this notebook is inefficient, insufficient cooling system with too thin fans, too small heatsinks, vent holes in a wrong places (aside, not above the fans).

To prove this, I first changed the thermal interface to liquid metal. That doesn't solve the issue. This proves, the thermal contact is ok, but heat dissipation is bad. Second, I ran stress tests with back cover removed - helped a lot, about 15-20 degrees off. The proves that air intake is wrong in this system.

I also removed an antidust tape with holes covering all the intake holes. That helped by around 5 degrees and also brought down air noise.

Then I came to idea of downvolting CPU and GPU, thanks to devs of ThrottleStop and MSI Afterburner, we can do this with relative ease.

The result: Fan noise reduced by half. Temp drop is huge. More speed due to ability of CPU/GPU to properly boost to max speed.

For your information - CPU is responsible for about 30% of heat, GPU - for 70%. So best idea is to undervolt the GPU, but for best results go for both.

THE GUIDE - CPU
Variant A - Install Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility

  • Go to Advanced Tuning tab and Change Dynamic CPU Voltage Offset to negative value (move slider to the left). -100mV is a good starting point. Leave Mode to Adaptive.
  • Apply changes.

My CPU holds -150mV well.

Variant B - Install Throttle Stop 8.3 or above

  • On main window click FIVR button
  • Under CPU Core Voltage move Offset Voltage slider to the left. -100mV is a good starting point. The lower value the less heat.
  • Click Apply. On the same window you can save settings to make them apply every time you start the app.


THE GUIDE - GPU

  • Download and Install MSI Afterburner 4.3 or above
  • In settings turn on Unlock voltage control and Unlock voltage monitoring
  • Close MSI Afterburner
  • Download my Voltage Profile for GTX 1060
  • Extract profile to some folder and then copy file to "C:\Program Files (x86)\MSI Afterburner\Profiles". Click continue as Administrator when Windows asks permission to write.
  • Run MSI Afterburner, click on profile 1 (out of 5). Then press Ctrl+F. (1 - least heat, but may be unstable for some... 2, bit more voltage etc till 5.)
  • You will see my Voltage Curve (screenshot). What you'll see that it's flat until 1050mv. that means. 1050 will never be used, so will never be used any voltage except 831mV @ 1860 MHz and below.
  • Click apply to test this curve
  • If this curve is not stable for you - edit it to your taste: Click on 831mV dot and move it lower, so that lower freq will be used for that voltage, and for 1860 freq next available voltage will be used. Etc. Work with leftmost voltage dots to make everything stable.


This curve drops heat of GPU by at least 30%, which is huge.

THE GUIDE - COIL WHINE
Workaround described here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/975530

Perform only these steps as Administrator:
1. At a command prompt, run the following command:
reg add HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Processor /v Capabilities /t REG_DWORD /d 0x0007e066
2. Restart the computer.
3. Run ThrottleStop v8.3 or above and uncheck C1E. Click save.

In theory, it will make CPU a bit hotter while system is idle, because it disables some advanced C-states, but i didn't notice that in monitoring app.
That solved like 99.9% of the noise, and in addition, disabling C1E in ThrottleStop solved noise issue completely.
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Hello Guys ,,

I Just Wanna Share My deep digging into GL702VM for two weeks
First when i bought this model , i was getting Temp Of 90 C for CPU and 85 C for GPU even with Casual gaming and using the cooling pad
So i found that thread and decided to try SOME of Solutions here with some of other Solutions i found too
You can see my results in the photos i attached 😄

I Tested some heavy games like The Division & BF 1
For BF 1 , there are some things i want u to notice first before i start with my setup of Mods
First of all , Under Very HEAVY Load for 5 Hours of GAMING >> the TEMP NEVER EVER reached 75 C for BOTH CPU & GPU
The Second Thing , You Can Notice That I Get +60 FPS On Ultra With DX12 Too
The Most Interesting Part >> You Can Notice That The Temp Can Drop To 50 C During Cut Scenes & Rise Slow after The Cut Scenes
Finally , The GPU Clock Also Drops as low as 200 MHZ in Cut Scenes >> Which is GOOD 😄

Now With The Mods I Made to my System To Get THOSE EPIC Results :

1- I DIDN'T MAKE ANY DRILLING , DIDN'T REMOVE DUST TAPE OR THAT FOIL TAPE TRICK >> JUST SOFTWARE MODS
1- I'm Using A Normal Coolling Pad
2- I'm Using MSI Afterburner 3rd Profile From OP
3- I'm UV CPU By - 150 Mv
4- I'm Using NBFC Profile & Set Fan Speed For All Fans At 75 %

5- In Nvidia CC , I did lot of work :
a- I disabled G Sync
b- Monitor Refresh >> Fixed
c- Power Management Mode >> Adaptive
d- Made A Custom Res 1920 x 1080 & Refresh Rate Of 60 Mhz " Instead Of 75 Mhz "

6- I Power Options I Choose Profile " Balanced " & " Better Performance " From Battery Icon
7- This The Most Part I Think That Helped ,, I Moded My Bios & Unlocked Some Hidden Menus ,, from there i Disabled the Turbo Boost Of CPU and Raised The Temp from where CPU Start to Throttle 😄

I'll Try to post later my hidden Bios Menu & other Benchmarks



Conclusion :
- This Laptop Now is very satisfying & it's Performance is above other models in the Market like Helios 300 Or Y720
In BF 1 I get Steady 70 - 80 FPS on Ultra
In The Division I get Steady 45 - 60 FPS on Ultra
In Watchdogs 2 I get Steady 45 - 50 FPS on Ultra
- Temp Is Now Controlled With Some Little Tricks >> Stay Under 75 C for Heavy Loads



Hope I Helped Some Of You Guys 😄

Have A Nice Gaming 😄

Amr Nasser wrote:

1- I DIDN'T MAKE ANY DRILLING , DIDN'T REMOVE DUST TAPE OR THAT FOIL TAPE TRICK >> JUST SOFTWARE MODS
1- I'm Using A Normal Coolling Pad
2- I'm Using MSI Afterburner 3rd Profile From OP
3- I'm UV CPU By - 150 Mv
4- I'm Using NBFC Profile & Set Fan Speed For All Fans At 75 %


I have question about NBFC. You create profile for your laptop or take ready profile for other laptop?
I have GL703VM SCAR and want to use NBFC but i can't change anything because i dont hvae profile for my laptop.

skejcikk1 wrote:
I have question about NBFC. You create profile for your laptop or take ready profile for other laptop?
I have GL703VM SCAR and want to use NBFC but i can't change anything because i dont hvae profile for my laptop.


I Took Profile From Here , I DIDN'T Make Anything

skejcikk1 wrote:
I have question about NBFC. You create profile for your laptop or take ready profile for other laptop?
I have GL703VM SCAR and want to use NBFC but i can't change anything because i dont hvae profile for my laptop.


I am in the same boat as you. The profile for 702 does NOT work on the gl703. I have requested for a profile in the github page of the app and asked here but so far there are no working profiles I could find.

amr nasser wrote:
hello guys ,,

i just wanna share my deep digging into gl702vm for two weeks
first when i bought this model , i was getting temp of 90 c for cpu and 85 c for gpu even with casual gaming and using the cooling pad
so i found that thread and decided to try some of solutions here with some of other solutions i found too
you can see my results in the photos i attached :d

i tested some heavy games like the division & bf 1
for bf 1 , there are some things i want u to notice first before i start with my setup of mods
first of all , under very heavy load for 5 hours of gaming >> the temp never ever reached 75 c for both cpu & gpu
the second thing , you can notice that i get +60 fps on ultra with dx12 too
the most interesting part >> you can notice that the temp can drop to 50 c during cut scenes & rise slow after the cut scenes
finally , the gpu clock also drops as low as 200 mhz in cut scenes >> which is good :d

now with the mods i made to my system to get those epic results :

1- i didn't make any drilling , didn't remove dust tape or that foil tape trick >> just software mods
1- i'm using a normal coolling pad
2- i'm using msi afterburner 3rd profile from op
3- i'm uv cpu by - 150 mv
4- i'm using nbfc profile & set fan speed for all fans at 75 %

5- in nvidia cc , i did lot of work :
A- i disabled g sync
b- monitor refresh >> fixed
c- power management mode >> adaptive
d- made a custom res 1920 x 1080 & refresh rate of 60 mhz " instead of 75 mhz "

6- i power options i choose profile " balanced " & " better performance " from battery icon
7- this the most part i think that helped ,, i moded my bios & unlocked some hidden menus ,, from there i disabled the turbo boost of cpu and raised the temp from where cpu start to throttle :d

i'll try to post later my hidden bios menu & other benchmarks



conclusion :
- this laptop now is very satisfying & it's performance is above other models in the market like helios 300 or y720
in bf 1 i get steady 70 - 80 fps on ultra
in the division i get steady 45 - 60 fps on ultra
in watchdogs 2 i get steady 45 - 50 fps on ultra
- temp is now controlled with some little tricks >> stay under 75 c for heavy loads



hope i helped some of you guys :d

have a nice gaming :d


please a video tutorial for the spanish and other language please!!!!

I wrote a comment explaining that I'll swap the GL703VM for another model (not even specifying brand) and it got deleted soon after it was posted.

Very disappointing attitude - censorship of your customer's opinions. I paid in full for this model and then was very glad to be able to return it and get my money back. It was swapped for an Acer Triton 700 - a much more expensive machine, but one which maintains a stable 80C/75C cpu/gpu during an hour of PUBG @max settings with g-sync active. It doesn't burn my fingers around the keyboard like the ASUS did. It's just a well-built machine. The chassis does not bend like cheap plastic, like the ASUS does. And I have not even done anything to the Triton. No undervolting or disabling of turbo boost, no GPU profiles. It is stable out of the box. If I undervolt and re-paste, it will probably go down another 10-15C.

Overall, I think I won't be buying from ASUS in the future and I wouldn't be able to recommend them to anyone. This comment will get deleted as well, but I will take the chance to recommend Acer. This is my 4th laptop from them, and all of the laptops have been working so far without dying on me and with solid build quality.

Very disappointed as I was really looking forward to enjoying this laptop (gl703). Not only that, but ASUS purposefully hide some specs from their models. They made the base gL703 model good with 120hz and g-sync, but also two other variants which have MUCH worse screens, that are not described ANYWHERE. ASUS just kept that information, hoping you would get the models, which is exactly what I did, expecting a 120hz panel. I got the 60hz at the end, the worst model of all, and that wasn't described in any of the local retailers. ASUS just did not give them this information, so they don't know either.

All of this has led me to believe this brand is no good, so I am just going to cut it here and continue with other brands in mind.

Good luck to anyone who is willing to spend their time and nerves on work, that should have been done by ASUS in the factories before they sold any of these models.

I think I prefer to buy products that are functional out-of-the-box and I believe many people think in the same way and many of these GL models have been rightfully returned for these exact reasons.

Farewell and thanks to the contributors in this thread. Zero appreciation for the censoring moderation team, though. Pathetic attitude towards your customers. This is why I am now your ex-customer and will not be returning in the future.

Broko wrote:

I think I prefer to buy products that are functional out-of-the-box and I believe many people think in the same way and many of these GL models have been rightfully returned for these exact reasons.


I'm currently debating returning mine too. Trying to figure out if I want to just deal with it or spend a little more money for something stable. The only thing that has me worried is the longevity of the laptop. I have an Asus G74SX which is pretty ancient by today's standards and other than an expectedly dead battery, it still runs like a champ and was built rock solid. I can't say as much for the GL702VS. It's kind of astounding to me that the cooler design made it past engineering teams. That means multiple people looked at it and tested it and gave it the OK to go to market.

I'm fine with having to undervolt or change some settings there and there but for it to be a requirement to attach a huge ugly blower fan on the back or drill holes into the case is an absolutely absurd solution. I honestly think they could just revise the bottom panel and ship it out to affected customers. The fact that Asus has been completely silent for 74 pages makes me nervous.

Deciding to keep it or not depends on your budget and needs. And your willingness to void warranty, by the way.

The way to make these ASUS models truly usable is to:

- Undervolt GPU & CPU to stable values
- Apply liquid metal thermal conductor between chips and heatcaps (this must be done extremely carefully and it is probably worth it to apply extra insulation around the chips)
- Drill holes under the fans if the model benefits from that
- Maybe disable Turbo Boost if you are willing to sacrifice performance
- Use a cooling pad

Overall, this is a lot to do. It would be OK to do for a second-hand machine, but not so much for a new one. One thing that could have saved it would be manual fan control. With the Acer, on GTA5 with everything maxed out, it can reach around 80/80C for the cpu and gpu. If I put the fans on Max mode, it will retain a stable 75C/75C temperature. Applying liquid metal paste seems to shave -20C according to the latest Linus video, it's crazy and maybe worth the risk for some. In theory, this baby can run at 55-60C gpu/cpu during heavy load and very long gaming sessions with demanding titles. But even without doing that, the fan control allows for very OK temperatures during long gaming sessions, given you don't mind the noise.

It's a shame because these ASUS models could have been more.

Oh, and it would be naive to expect a response from ASUS. At best, they will say smth along the lines of "we are investigating this phenomenon". I wish laptop manufacturers focused more on doing things right rather than over-blown looks and nice specs on paper with bad execution.

Broko wrote:


Oh, and it would be naive to expect a response from ASUS. At best, they will say smth along the lines of "we are investigating this phenomenon". I wish laptop manufacturers focused more on doing things right rather than over-blown looks and nice specs on paper with bad execution.


I have no issues manually controlling my fans, either through ROG Gaming Center or NBFC, unless you mean something different. Even when I undervolt, disable turbo boost, set a custom GPU curve and max the fans I am still up in the higher 80s. I'm considering an Acer Predator 15 with the 1070 as well. It's about the same price as my GL702 but it seems to hold temperatures very well (and has an additional cooler that goes in the ODD bay, not sure how much that helps) and includes more premium features.

I absolutely loved my older Asus gaming laptops, all the way back to the G74. They seemed to have really dropped the ball on this generation, though. I don't mind applying thermal paste but the fact remains that I shouldn't have to on a brand new unit. And I suppose it is naive to expect Asus to want to remedy the issues. I'm not voiding the warranty because something tells me I'll eventually need it with these extreme temperatures.

Yes, there are some NFC profiles for GL702, but not for GL703, so I had no way to control the fans manually.

Not only that, but I refuse to use such a dangerous, unstable app. With this app, if you mess up the fans and they stop spinning under load, you can kill your machine. Why would I risk that on a brand new laptop? I wouldn't...

The Acer will also run quite hot with Auto fans under long periods of heavy load. If I play GTA5 fully maxed out with a 116 fps cap and g-sync, the touchpad area will start getting too hot to touch. If I play the game with fans set to "max", the temps reach 75c/75c and stop there. At these temps, the touchpad can be used w/o getting burned and the chassis feels very warm, but not to the point where you are not sure if the laptop will melt or explode. Remember, there is also a battery inside which you don't want to get too hot.

So really, ASUS could have saved the situation had they included a "max" fan speed option for the users. Then you can just use your headphones while the fans go crazy and probably avoid getting burned when you touch the keyboard. My ASUS started burning me even around the Space bar, which is at the bottom, after all.

But really, anyone who wants to truly solve this problem should likely look into liquid metal thermal paste and do a REALLY, REALLY good job of applying it and insulating the section around the chips. If it can shave off -20C on the Triton 700, it will shave off at least half that much on the ASUS and that will be enough to call it usable (combined with a stable gpu/cpu undervolt).