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[GL702VM & similar] Solution to Performance issues / Overheating / Throttling / Whine

onjax
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Hi guys, I bought GL702VM and was upset with its ability to handle games and high load. I had immediate temperature jump to over 85 jump and throttling / frame drops in games. So I decided to understand how to improve things, even though, I already lost my warranty due to my experiments, but at least I can answer for everyone, that:
- the main problem of this notebook is inefficient, insufficient cooling system with too thin fans, too small heatsinks, vent holes in a wrong places (aside, not above the fans).

To prove this, I first changed the thermal interface to liquid metal. That doesn't solve the issue. This proves, the thermal contact is ok, but heat dissipation is bad. Second, I ran stress tests with back cover removed - helped a lot, about 15-20 degrees off. The proves that air intake is wrong in this system.

I also removed an antidust tape with holes covering all the intake holes. That helped by around 5 degrees and also brought down air noise.

Then I came to idea of downvolting CPU and GPU, thanks to devs of ThrottleStop and MSI Afterburner, we can do this with relative ease.

The result: Fan noise reduced by half. Temp drop is huge. More speed due to ability of CPU/GPU to properly boost to max speed.

For your information - CPU is responsible for about 30% of heat, GPU - for 70%. So best idea is to undervolt the GPU, but for best results go for both.

THE GUIDE - CPU
Variant A - Install Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility

  • Go to Advanced Tuning tab and Change Dynamic CPU Voltage Offset to negative value (move slider to the left). -100mV is a good starting point. Leave Mode to Adaptive.
  • Apply changes.

My CPU holds -150mV well.

Variant B - Install Throttle Stop 8.3 or above

  • On main window click FIVR button
  • Under CPU Core Voltage move Offset Voltage slider to the left. -100mV is a good starting point. The lower value the less heat.
  • Click Apply. On the same window you can save settings to make them apply every time you start the app.


THE GUIDE - GPU

  • Download and Install MSI Afterburner 4.3 or above
  • In settings turn on Unlock voltage control and Unlock voltage monitoring
  • Close MSI Afterburner
  • Download my Voltage Profile for GTX 1060
  • Extract profile to some folder and then copy file to "C:\Program Files (x86)\MSI Afterburner\Profiles". Click continue as Administrator when Windows asks permission to write.
  • Run MSI Afterburner, click on profile 1 (out of 5). Then press Ctrl+F. (1 - least heat, but may be unstable for some... 2, bit more voltage etc till 5.)
  • You will see my Voltage Curve (screenshot). What you'll see that it's flat until 1050mv. that means. 1050 will never be used, so will never be used any voltage except 831mV @ 1860 MHz and below.
  • Click apply to test this curve
  • If this curve is not stable for you - edit it to your taste: Click on 831mV dot and move it lower, so that lower freq will be used for that voltage, and for 1860 freq next available voltage will be used. Etc. Work with leftmost voltage dots to make everything stable.


This curve drops heat of GPU by at least 30%, which is huge.

THE GUIDE - COIL WHINE
Workaround described here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/975530

Perform only these steps as Administrator:
1. At a command prompt, run the following command:
reg add HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Processor /v Capabilities /t REG_DWORD /d 0x0007e066
2. Restart the computer.
3. Run ThrottleStop v8.3 or above and uncheck C1E. Click save.

In theory, it will make CPU a bit hotter while system is idle, because it disables some advanced C-states, but i didn't notice that in monitoring app.
That solved like 99.9% of the noise, and in addition, disabling C1E in ThrottleStop solved noise issue completely.
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Hello everyone! i'm a happy new possessor of a Asus GL502VS-GZ147T and i LOVE IT (especially for the price, i bought it used but believe me if i say is like NEW) for 660USD 😄 7700hq, 1070, 16gb and 120hz gsync for that price? **** YEA!

i immediately undervolted it, -120 on the cpu (tried 130, and i got a WHEA bsod) and made a curve for the gpu and i'm experiencing fine temps, cpu and gpu under stressful usage of 1 hour of gaming or so i have 75-80ish degrees, i'm in doubt if i should leave it as is or, since my warranty is over anyway, should i change the thermal paste and buy thermal pads for vrm's

GGileWP wrote:
Hello everyone! i'm a happy new possessor of a Asus GL502VS-GZ147T and i LOVE IT (especially for the price, i bought it used but believe me if i say is like NEW) for 660USD 😄 7700hq, 1070, 16gb and 120hz gsync for that price? **** YEA!

i immediately undervolted it, -120 on the cpu (tried 130, and i got a WHEA bsod) and made a curve for the gpu and i'm experiencing fine temps, cpu and gpu under stressful usage of 1 hour of gaming or so i have 75-80ish degrees, i'm in doubt if i should leave it as is or, since my warranty is over anyway, should i change the thermal paste and buy thermal pads for vrm's


I seem to be doing not too bad with mine. Same spec but only the 60hz screen unfortunately. It would be nice to know your screen model number for possibly ordering a replacement.
Anyway, I repasted with thermal grizzly kryonaut and used K5 Pro on the VRM. My undervolt is -0.140mV and temps sitting at mid to low 60s playing battlefield 1 on ultra. Maximum stress tests on prime95 hits mid 70s max. (Remember I have a 60hz screen so it's capped at that)
I tried to go thermal pads but it was very time consuming trying to get the right size. The recommendations on here left huge gaps in parts.

michty_me wrote:
I seem to be doing not too bad with mine. Same spec but only the 60hz screen unfortunately. It would be nice to know your screen model number for possibly ordering a replacement.
Anyway, I repasted with thermal grizzly kryonaut and used K5 Pro on the VRM. My undervolt is -0.140mV and temps sitting at mid to low 60s playing battlefield 1 on ultra. Maximum stress tests on prime95 hits mid 70s max. (Remember I have a 60hz screen so it's capped at that)
I tried to go thermal pads but it was very time consuming trying to get the right size. The recommendations on here left huge gaps in parts.



https://i.imgur.com/rQvuFyI.png

here it is the monitor model

GGileWP wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/rQvuFyI.png

here it is the monitor model


Ah magic, Thank you kind stranger!

GGileWP wrote:
Hello everyone! i'm a happy new possessor of a Asus GL502VS-GZ147T and i LOVE IT (especially for the price, i bought it used but believe me if i say is like NEW) for 660USD 😄 7700hq, 1070, 16gb and 120hz gsync for that price? **** YEA!

i immediately undervolted it, -120 on the cpu (tried 130, and i got a WHEA bsod) and made a curve for the gpu and i'm experiencing fine temps, cpu and gpu under stressful usage of 1 hour of gaming or so i have 75-80ish degrees, i'm in doubt if i should leave it as is or, since my warranty is over anyway, should i change the thermal paste and buy thermal pads for vrm's


small update on the repasting stuff... i did it and the results are quite IMPRESSIVE!

i dropped around 5-10c reaching under 3dmark firestrike ultra (the 4k one) test 65 max on gpu and 73 max on CPU before i had around 70 on GPU and around 80 on CPU but the most impressive thing are the fans! the laptop used to (and it was impossible to blame it) ramp up the fans pretty aggressively, during the tests i didn't hear the fans ONCE is so good! i had to ramp them to 100% under the ROG center to be sure i plugged them in LOL, LOVE IT!

i used Conductonaut as thermal paste and some ADWITS thermal pads, the cheap ones since i didnt had 20€ to spend on a single thermal grizzly pad LOL but they get the job done! i'm really astonished, reccomended procedure, i did everything in 30 mins, super easy!

gazum123 wrote:
Hello,

So I managed to pick up around 6 months ago a GL702VM with the following Specs for £580:

i5-6300HQ
16GB DDR4 Memory
GTX 1060 6GB
1TB HDD
500GB NVME WD Black


Pretty good deal for the money considering the additional cost of the NVME drive memory upgrade and overall cost of the 17inch laptop itself new. I have been using it for the past few months I must admit not as much as maybe I should (I have a gaming pc) and one of the reasons was that whenever I tried to play any game that really tested the system e.g. PUBG the CPU would hit the high 80's then 90c same with the gpu and for me it just seemed like I couldn't game for a period of time without A) being distracted by the fact the laptop was trying to take off and B) the high temps over a long period of time. Idle temps were around 45 which didn't seem so bad but again maybe didn't help.

I decided to good found these forums and looked through setting an underclock of the CPU to around -130 and using MSI's profile 1 (somewhere here) I managed to pick up a laptop cooling pad which did drop the temp's down to the mid to low 80s's depending on games and then over a period of 40 mins or so the temps would slowly rise to just touching 90 but at least my lap felt cool.

I finally decided my only option was to repaste the CPU and GPU along with putting pads on the memory chips in the hope of making the machine better. Here is what I brought all from amazon I ended up paying slightly more for thermal pads than using the suggested Artic Pads which are rated for thermal transfer of 6W/mk. The reason I did this was because these pads are rated with a thermal transfer conductivity of 12W/mk making them in theory twice as conductive which can only be a good thing.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01AAHM1WW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I ordered 1 x 0.5mm 80x40 and 1 x 1m 80 x 40


For thermal paste I was going to get thermal grizzly but I recently applied this to my desktop build and found it a bit of a pain so stuck with the trusted Artic Silver MX4

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07L9BDY3T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Here are some pictures of the process. I completely forgot to take photos after I had cleaned it up and applied pads / paste but here is the mess I uncovered. You will see that the CPU basically had no thermal paste on the chip and had been discolouring the copper heatsink so I think it was wise to do this.








Results time !!!!


So after spending around an hour cleaning the laptop up which was a horrendous job measuring and cutting pads applying paste and reassemblying it was time to run some tests to see how the laptop performed after I had spend so long and around £18 quid on it.

On idle the tempatures have dropped to 34c which is a reduction in 11c so I am very pleased with this.

Gaming - I loaded PUBG played it for around 40 mins or so and the CPU hit around the 62 mark and gpu just over 70 again not touching anything else just the repaste work which I was really pleased about. The fan noise has dropped a huge amount the laptop feels very cool.

For the ultimate test I can Furmark along with a CPU stress tester to really see what would happen now to the laptop if it were left at an unrealistic load for a period of time and the below image are my results.




Again really pleased averaging around 72c on the cpu and 74-76 on the GPU. Ignore the lowest temps as I had rebooted the laptop and started the testing straight after playing pubg so the temps were slightly higher to begin with than the claimed idle.


Overall I am extremely pleased and would recommend anyone who owns one of these laptops to consider a repaste and pads. Again I opted to spend alittle more on pads in the hope that if it made 2-4c difference it was going to be worth the slight increased cost and could mean the difference between a cool system with no throttling and one that was still just about throttling.



Any questions please feel free to let me know I will try to help where possible


Actually it would be very helpful and useful to see the photos of your system, especially the pics of the applied cooling pads.

onjax wrote:
Hi, if your GPU is GTX 1070 then you can't use my profile for GTX 1060, but you can create yours:

Step 0. In settings turn on Unlock voltage control and Unlock voltage monitoring. Exit MSI Afterburner
Step 1: Go to your MSI Afterburner Profiles folder (C:\Program Files (x86)\MSI Afterburner\Profiles)
Step 2: Copy the file named "VEN_10DE&DEV..." to desktop
Step 3: Open the file in notepad and replace everything you see with this:

[Startup]
Format=2
CoreVoltageBoost=
PowerLimit=
ThermalLimit=
ThermalPrioritize=
CoreClkBoost=
MemClkBoost=
[Settings]
VDDC_Generic_Detection=1

Step 4: Copy file back to profiles folder, overwrite the existing file. Click Continue when Windows ask about Admin permission.
Step 5: Run MSI Afterburner and click CTRL+F. This will open Voltage curve. Now you should be able to set voltage.

😛 i did evthing you say but how to set the voltage after i see the curve and how much to put it?

There is a class action lawsuit started about GL502VS, the model of laptop I own. If you own this model, I would look into the class action. I received an email regarding making a claim just today. Claims must be made by April 2020.

Issues include overheating and power/battery charging issues.
Finally justice.

https://www.asuslaptopsettlement.com/

Late to the party by 9 years, but its undervolting, not underclocking.

Here's the reasoning:
Undervolting leads to better performance.
Better performance means more clocks (generally).
More clocks means overclocking.

Other thoughts:
I bought this PC in 2017 on sale, I bought it for the cooling system because I focused on longevity. Admittedly, its built to break and heat up (darn planned obsolesce) but the cooling system still is good enough to keep the laptop from failing 7-9 years later. Strategy successful!

Gamanek wrote:
Isn't this just a downclock?
I think it should just not happen.

Looks like a lot of these models are literally faulty pieces.
I'm thinking about sending it back and ask for a refund and buy something else.



This isn't a downclock, the sole reason for this guide is to have the full speed of the system without dropbacks