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[GL702VM & similar] Solution to Performance issues / Overheating / Throttling / Whine

onjax
Level 9
Hi guys, I bought GL702VM and was upset with its ability to handle games and high load. I had immediate temperature jump to over 85 jump and throttling / frame drops in games. So I decided to understand how to improve things, even though, I already lost my warranty due to my experiments, but at least I can answer for everyone, that:
- the main problem of this notebook is inefficient, insufficient cooling system with too thin fans, too small heatsinks, vent holes in a wrong places (aside, not above the fans).

To prove this, I first changed the thermal interface to liquid metal. That doesn't solve the issue. This proves, the thermal contact is ok, but heat dissipation is bad. Second, I ran stress tests with back cover removed - helped a lot, about 15-20 degrees off. The proves that air intake is wrong in this system.

I also removed an antidust tape with holes covering all the intake holes. That helped by around 5 degrees and also brought down air noise.

Then I came to idea of downvolting CPU and GPU, thanks to devs of ThrottleStop and MSI Afterburner, we can do this with relative ease.

The result: Fan noise reduced by half. Temp drop is huge. More speed due to ability of CPU/GPU to properly boost to max speed.

For your information - CPU is responsible for about 30% of heat, GPU - for 70%. So best idea is to undervolt the GPU, but for best results go for both.

THE GUIDE - CPU
Variant A - Install Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility

  • Go to Advanced Tuning tab and Change Dynamic CPU Voltage Offset to negative value (move slider to the left). -100mV is a good starting point. Leave Mode to Adaptive.
  • Apply changes.

My CPU holds -150mV well.

Variant B - Install Throttle Stop 8.3 or above

  • On main window click FIVR button
  • Under CPU Core Voltage move Offset Voltage slider to the left. -100mV is a good starting point. The lower value the less heat.
  • Click Apply. On the same window you can save settings to make them apply every time you start the app.


THE GUIDE - GPU

  • Download and Install MSI Afterburner 4.3 or above
  • In settings turn on Unlock voltage control and Unlock voltage monitoring
  • Close MSI Afterburner
  • Download my Voltage Profile for GTX 1060
  • Extract profile to some folder and then copy file to "C:\Program Files (x86)\MSI Afterburner\Profiles". Click continue as Administrator when Windows asks permission to write.
  • Run MSI Afterburner, click on profile 1 (out of 5). Then press Ctrl+F. (1 - least heat, but may be unstable for some... 2, bit more voltage etc till 5.)
  • You will see my Voltage Curve (screenshot). What you'll see that it's flat until 1050mv. that means. 1050 will never be used, so will never be used any voltage except 831mV @ 1860 MHz and below.
  • Click apply to test this curve
  • If this curve is not stable for you - edit it to your taste: Click on 831mV dot and move it lower, so that lower freq will be used for that voltage, and for 1860 freq next available voltage will be used. Etc. Work with leftmost voltage dots to make everything stable.


This curve drops heat of GPU by at least 30%, which is huge.

THE GUIDE - COIL WHINE
Workaround described here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/975530

Perform only these steps as Administrator:
1. At a command prompt, run the following command:
reg add HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Processor /v Capabilities /t REG_DWORD /d 0x0007e066
2. Restart the computer.
3. Run ThrottleStop v8.3 or above and uncheck C1E. Click save.

In theory, it will make CPU a bit hotter while system is idle, because it disables some advanced C-states, but i didn't notice that in monitoring app.
That solved like 99.9% of the noise, and in addition, disabling C1E in ThrottleStop solved noise issue completely.
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The answers to your questions are at the first post. With regards to the long term damage, no. It doesn't cause damage provided that your underclock is stable (System doesn't BSOD).

Ehi guys,
here GL702MVK (i7 2.8 Ghz + nvidia 1060 6 Gb, BIOS 303).

After 81 pages, I'm not still able to understand if it's really possibile to improve my CPU+GPU temperatures (I mean under 80 C degrees) without to drill my bottom case.

At the moment, my attempts with "Onjax's metode" (Afterburner msi + Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility) are completely useless: my temps, with TURBO BOOST active, are always above 85 degrees (playing FIFA 18, CPU 90° - GPU 85°). What a waste of cash..... I can't believe Asus trades a so deficient product!

Could anyone explain to me, if only solution available is drilling my case? And if I decide to drill (+ ventilation system), I can find a real fixing (temp under 80 C degrees)?

Thanks for answering 🙂

Greetings from Italy

( MAD ) wrote:
Ehi guys,
here GL702MVK (i7 2.8 Ghz + nvidia 1060 6 Gb, BIOS 303).

After 81 pages, I'm not still able to understand if it's really possibile to improve my CPU+GPU temperatures (I mean under 80 C degrees) without to drill my bottom case.

At the moment, my attempts with "Onjax's metode" (Afterburner msi + Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility) are completely useless: my temps, with TURBO BOOST active, are always above 85 degrees (playing FIFA 18, CPU 90° - GPU 85°). What a waste of cash..... I can't believe Asus trades a so deficient product!

Could anyone explain to me, if only solution available is drilling my case? And if I decide to drill (+ ventilation system), I can find a real fixing (temp under 80 C degrees)?

Thanks for answering 🙂

Greetings from Italy


I've been testing CPU and GPU undervolt and both help well but I wanted lower temps without drill the case so 2 days ago I tried with the adaptative energy mode of the Nvidial control panel wich changes the mode how the graphics cards works, as far as I was able to understand it's something like:
Adaptive
If there is some 3d load let's jump to a higher frequency like 800Mhz if that frequency is capable of managing the load (<90%) let's keep that frequency but if it isn't let's look for some higher frequency and so on.

Optimal performance
If there's some 3d load let's jump to a realy high frequency like ~1600Mhz and doesn't matter the load isn't too high to avoid stuttering let's keep that high.

So in comparison with Adaptive you can get 800Mhz (or higher depending on the load) with ~80% usage wich means less current, more efficiency but maybe stuttering. with Optimal performance 1600Mhz <50% usage, more stable frequency means more stable fps but more current consumption meaning more heat

I hope I'd explained well

Yokali wrote:
I've been testing CPU and GPU undervolt and both help well but I wanted lower temps without drill the case so 2 days ago I tried with the adaptative energy mode of the Nvidial control panel wich changes the mode how the graphics cards works, as far as I was able to understand it's something like:
Adaptive
If there is some 3d load let's jump to a higher frequency like 800Mhz if that frequency is capable of managing the load (<90%) let's keep that frequency but if it isn't let's look for some higher frequency and so on.

Optimal performance
If there's some 3d load let's jump to a realy high frequency like ~1600Mhz and doesn't matter the load isn't too high to avoid stuttering let's keep that high.

So in comparison with Adaptive you can get 800Mhz (or higher depending on the load) with ~80% usage wich means less current, more efficiency but maybe stuttering. with Optimal performance 1600Mhz <50% usage, more stable frequency means more stable fps but more current consumption meaning more heat

I hope I'd explained well


Thanks Man! I get it.

But... have you verified a real lowering of the temperatures with these 2 options (Optimale or Adaptive performance)? Can you argue it with tested examples? Thanks a lot!

Yes, due to the lower frequency of the adaptive there's much less heat with the optimal mode my temps were like 80 or more for gpu and cpu but less than 90. while playing AC origins and now that I'm using adaptive my temps are much lower like 72 C max for GPU and the cpu like, if you want to use it a would recommend to reboot your system and monitorize the frequency to be sure there's a low frequency and high GPU usage, I have to say that I only noticed this situation with AC and nothing change while playing Overwatch or Fortnite but my temps are lower than 80 C in any of those cases

Yokali wrote:
Yes, due to the lower frequency of the adaptive there's much less heat with the optimal mode my temps were like 80 or more for gpu and cpu but less than 90. while playing AC origins and now that I'm using adaptive my temps are much lower like 72 C max for GPU and the cpu like, if you want to use it a would recommend to reboot your system and monitorize the frequency to be sure there's a low frequency and high GPU usage, I have to say that I only noticed this situation with AC and nothing change while playing Overwatch or Fortnite but my temps are lower than 80 C in any of those cases


Why dont I see the Option for Adaptive mode? Am I overlooking it or just in the wrong section? GL702VMK looking in NVidia control panel.

72310
There's where i changed that, I've tried it also with Titanfall 2 and it is really good, just for some moments of stuttering but I think it does worth it

Yokali wrote:
72310
There's where i changed that, I've tried it also with Titanfall 2 and it is really good, just for some moments of stuttering but I think it does worth it


Ok, thanks for reply

I'll try both solutions (Adaptive and Optimal) and I'll tell you what happens to my temperatures....


MAD

Anyone succeed to undervolt gpu ASUS GL553VD GTX 1050? i got less temps but less performance

I tried many curves in msi afterburner

Results:Using Heaven Benchmark 4.0 latest version:

stock:
max score 950
temps: 80

overclocking gpu:
max score 1040
temps: 85

undervolted:
max score 920
temps 77

Yokali wrote:
72310
There's where i changed that, I've tried it also with Titanfall 2 and it is really good, just for some moments of stuttering but I think it does worth it


Ehi man,
bad news for me.

I tried your solutions (playing "Prey") but I didn't notice significant changes, maybe 2-3 degrees.

My default settings were (with Turbo Boost active):

OPTIMAL MODE + XTU -0,095 + Onjax'profile 3 on Afterburner --> Gpu: 86° - Cpu: 85°

ADAPTIVE MODE + XTU -0,095 + Onjax'profile 3 on Afterburner --> Gpu: 84° - Cpu: 83-84°

In both cases, my machine looks more like a toaster than a laptop, thermal throttling is always clear playing non-stressful games (FIFA18) too.

Only effective solution seems to turn off the Turbo Boost but I paid for that and I can't accept a so stupid alternative! :eek:

MAD
GL702VMK