[GL702VM & similar] Solution to Performance issues / Overheating / Throttling / Whine

[onjax]

Hi guys, I bought GL702VM and was upset with its ability to handle games and high load. I had immediate temperature jump to over 85 jump and throttling / frame drops in games. So I decided to understand how to improve things, even though, I already lost my warranty due to my experiments, but at least I can answer for everyone, that:
- the main problem of this notebook is inefficient, insufficient cooling system with too thin fans, too small heatsinks, vent holes in a wrong places (aside, not above the fans).

To prove this, I first changed the thermal interface to liquid metal. That doesn't solve the issue. This proves, the thermal contact is ok, but heat dissipation is bad. Second, I ran stress tests with back cover removed - helped a lot, about 15-20 degrees off. The proves that air intake is wrong in this system.

I also removed an antidust tape with holes covering all the intake holes. That helped by around 5 degrees and also brought down air noise.

Then I came to idea of downvolting CPU and GPU, thanks to devs of ThrottleStop and MSI Afterburner, we can do this with relative ease.

The result: Fan noise reduced by half. Temp drop is huge. More speed due to ability of CPU/GPU to properly boost to max speed.

For your information - CPU is responsible for about 30% of heat, GPU - for 70%. So best idea is to undervolt the GPU, but for best results go for both.

THE GUIDE - CPU
Variant A - Install Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility

• Go to Advanced Tuning tab and Change Dynamic CPU Voltage Offset to negative value (move slider to the left). -100mV is a good starting point. Leave Mode to Adaptive.
  
• Apply changes.
  

My CPU holds -150mV well.

Variant B - Install Throttle Stop 8.3 or above

• On main window click FIVR button
  
• Under CPU Core Voltage move Offset Voltage slider to the left. -100mV is a good starting point. The lower value the less heat.
  
• Click Apply. On the same window you can save settings to make them apply every time you start the app.
  

THE GUIDE - GPU

• Download and Install MSI Afterburner 4.3 or above
  
• In settings turn on Unlock voltage control and Unlock voltage monitoring
  
• Close MSI Afterburner
  
• Download my Voltage Profile for GTX 1060
  
• Extract profile to some folder and then copy file to "C:\Program Files (x86)\MSI Afterburner\Profiles". Click continue as Administrator when Windows asks permission to write.
  
• Run MSI Afterburner, click on profile 1 (out of 5). Then press Ctrl+F. (1 - least heat, but may be unstable for some... 2, bit more voltage etc till 5.)
  
• You will see my Voltage Curve (screenshot). What you'll see that it's flat until 1050mv. that means. 1050 will never be used, so will never be used any voltage except 831mV @ 1860 MHz and below.
  
• Click apply to test this curve
  
• If this curve is not stable for you - edit it to your taste: Click on 831mV dot and move it lower, so that lower freq will be used for that voltage, and for 1860 freq next available voltage will be used. Etc. Work with leftmost voltage dots to make everything stable.
  

This curve drops heat of GPU by at least 30%, which is huge.

THE GUIDE - COIL WHINE
Workaround described here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/975530

Perform only these steps as Administrator:
1. At a command prompt, run the following command:
reg add HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Processor /v Capabilities /t REG_DWORD /d 0x0007e066
2. Restart the computer.
3. Run ThrottleStop v8.3 or above and uncheck C1E. Click save.

In theory, it will make CPU a bit hotter while system is idle, because it disables some advanced C-states, but i didn't notice that in monitoring app.
That solved like 99.9% of the noise, and in addition, disabling C1E in ThrottleStop solved noise issue completely.

[danmoore03]

FastM wrote:
does anyone else experience a cold boot issue with a CPU undervolt applied? Bascicaly i'll get the BIOS Asus logo and then a black screen with the laptop frozen like that. I need to hold the power button to shut off and when I try again it boots into windows without trouble.

If I remember to revert the CPU undervolt before shutting down I never have any problems, or doing a warm reset and warm cold boot always works as well.

I've had this issue, with and without undervolts, not sure what it is. It hangs sometimes when waking up from sleep, hit power button and hit again and then it starts. I've done all my pasting of CPU, PCH mod, next i'm going to do a fresh install of windows to clean things up.

P.S. GL502vs here.

[Gatoxico]

Hello, first of all, excuse my bad English, it is not my native language.
Bored of the high temperatures, change the thermal paste of my gl702vm (i7 6700hq version and 305 bios), use thermal pad artic for the memories and others:

ARCTIC Thermal Pad (50 x 50 x 0.5 mm) - Silicon Based Thermal Pad with 6.0W / mK Thermal Conductivity

ARCTIC Thermal Pad (145 x 145 x 1.0 mm) - Silicon Based Thermal Pad with 6.0W / mK Thermal Conductivity

For the cpu and gpu use artic mx4.

(I followed the same procedure of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7glBCZr8ntI
but do not use liquid metal because of the risk.
pd: if you perform the video procedure, please disconnect the battery from the motherboard first, see the top of the first image).

Added to the Onjax tutorial:
Cpu: uv -0.135
GPU: profile 3
is 100% stable, with uv -0.140 or profile 1 or 2, playing pubg the system restarts or collapses.

Additionally I drilled the base of the laptop, just under the fans and remove dirt filters.

Images:

that's how it was originally


the plastic partially covered the cpu


plastic removed and put back


ready to be closed


craft holes


Playing at 2600mhz processor (i7 6700hq) reached only a max of 73°C (70 average) in cpu and 72°C in GPU (70 average) playing PUBG, dota2 got a max of 65 ° C (62 average), with 23C degree ambient temperature.
The laptop is now much more quiet, with little work the fans even stop turning (netflix, vlc, office, etc)

The original thermal paste of cpu and gpu is very poor quality.

I hope this helps someone the same way that others helped me to solve the temperature problem, thanks to onjax and all the rest of you.

Greetings from Chile.

[pppttl]

Gatoxico wrote:
Hello, first of all, excuse my bad English, it is not my native language.
Bored of the high temperatures, change the thermal paste of my gl702vm (i7 6700hq version and 305 bios), use thermal pad artic for the memories and others:

ARCTIC Thermal Pad (50 x 50 x 0.5 mm) - Silicon Based Thermal Pad with 6.0W / mK Thermal Conductivity

ARCTIC Thermal Pad (145 x 145 x 1.0 mm) - Silicon Based Thermal Pad with 6.0W / mK Thermal Conductivity

For the cpu and gpu use artic mx4.

(I followed the same procedure of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7glBCZr8ntI
but do not use liquid metal because of the risk.
pd: if you perform the video procedure, please disconnect the battery from the motherboard first, see the top of the first image).

Added to the Onjax tutorial:
Cpu: uv -0.135
GPU: profile 3
is 100% stable, with uv -0.140 or profile 1 or 2, playing pubg the system restarts or collapses.

Additionally I drilled the base of the laptop, just under the fans and remove dirt filters.

Images:

that's how it was originally


the plastic partially covered the cpu


plastic removed and put back


ready to be closed


craft holes


Playing at 2600mhz processor (i7 6700hq) reached only a max of 73°C in cpu and 72°C in GPU (PUBG), dota2 at 65 ° C. (23 degree ambient temperature), and the laptop is now much more quiet, with little work the fans even stop turning (netflix, vlc, office, etc)

The original thermal paste of cpu and gpu is very poor quality.

I hope this helps someone the same way that others helped me to solve the temperature problem, thanks to onjax and all the rest of you.

Greetings from Chile.

Thanks for your detailed post. Nice results. Did the screws of the heatsink have warranty stickers on them?

[Gatoxico]

pppttl wrote:
Thanks for your detailed post. Nice results. Did the screws of the heatsink have warranty stickers on them?

stickers? not that I remember, but apparently had that blue paint on the tip of the screws; the guarantee was not important for me since I first made the holes :confused: sorry

[mwest28]

Gatoxico wrote:
stickers? not that I remember, but apparently had that blue paint on the tip of the screws; the guarantee was not important for me since I first made the holes :confused: sorry

Hey Man,

I did the same, repasted, and added thermal pads, got good results.

I will try some stress tests later to see it and post here.

Thanks for those images and tips

[Bran187]

mwest28 wrote:
Hey Man,

I did the same, repasted, and added thermal pads, got good results.

I will try some stress tests later to see it and post here.

Thanks for those images and tips

Yeah post how it goes. I noticed when I repasted that the heatsink makes little to no contact on some of the VRM's/memory modules (because the stock thermal paste was literally untouched and there was no residue on the heatsink). Have been debating ordering some thermal pads, and would love to know if it makes any real difference.

[PedroSequeira]

Hello i recently got a GL502VS and it's really sad that a laptop with this price and this gpu can't handle witcher 3, ofc i can undervolt cpu, gpu, "drill holes" under laptop ( wich i actually cant without void the warranty ), buy a pad cooler in order to play this game but i think that the point we are forgeting here is... do we actually need to do all this work when we pay this price for a laptop??

And it's not even the performance i'm talking about, i cant run witcher 3 with ultra setting at 1080p for 15min, and my laptop goes off due the heat!! it makes me think why i would even pay for this gpu if i cant even use it... rather save some money and get a half price cheaper laptop and run games with some less fps than this.

I hope someone from Asus read can notice this post with more than 50 pages because is really a turn off for costumers.

I want to thanks to people here for still want to help others with this and actually give some nice and "cool" ( pum was intended ) ideas 🙂

Regardeless my previous opinion, running gpu at 800mv flat at 1645mhz helped a litle and temps dont go over 78ºc. CPU on 85ºc with -150mv. Still seeing others laptops hiting more than 1900mhz on gtx1070 and i have to settle with this makes me sad af =(

Anyway cheers to all o/

[Kompensan]

PedroSequeira wrote:
Hello i recently got a GL502VS and it's really sad that a laptop with this price and this gpu can't handle witcher 3, ofc i can undervolt cpu, gpu, "drill holes" under laptop ( wich i actually cant without void the warranty ), buy a pad cooler in order to play this game but i think that the point we are forgeting here is... do we actually need to do all this work when we pay this price for a laptop??

And it's not even the performance i'm talking about, i cant run witcher 3 with ultra setting at 1080p for 15min, and my laptop goes off due the heat!! it makes me think why i would even pay for this gpu if i cant even use it... rather save some money and get a half price cheaper laptop and run games with some less fps than this.

I hope someone from Asus read can notice this post with more than 50 pages because is really a turn off for costumers.

I want to thanks to people here for still want to help others with this and actually give some nice and "cool" ( pum was intended ) ideas 🙂

Regardeless my previous opinion, running gpu at 800mv flat at 1645mhz helped a litle and temps dont go over 78ºc. CPU on 85ºc with -150mv. Still seeing others laptops hiting more than 1900mhz on gtx1070 and i have to settle with this makes me sad af =(

Anyway cheers to all o/

Essa é a minha opinião também Pedro. Não faz sentido e não percebo porque não é feito um forcing para que eles façam algo como pedir a todos os consumidores para levar o portatil para manutenção.
O update da BIOS foi um passo, mas podiam fazer de fábrica todos estes procedimentos q se foram desenvolvendo aqui. Furar a base, fazer um undervolt por defeito e voltar a por massa térmica de qualidade.

[PedroSequeira]

Glad that u agree with me Kompensan 😛

Also i would like to know if anyone can just clarify me, the OP actually got a stable system on his gpu on 850mv at 1860mhz and he have a gtx 1060... I have a gtx 1070 and like i said previusly the better heat/performance i could achieve was with 800mv at 1646mhz. My question is, and i know its not only the clock speed that matters but... is his gpu actually performing better than mine?

I got mine on 2nd hand so i'm not actually so much concern cuz mine was cheaper than original price... still with all this heating problems i'm actually thinking o nre-selling it and maybe buy a new out of the box one but with a gtx 1060... and well sorry but probably from another brand =S i dont know just asking ur opinions. I doing a lot of effort on research and tbh doesnt really seems there are actually any laptop without this issues sadly.

Anyway thanks all o/

[FastM]

PedroSequeira wrote:
Glad that u agree with me Kompensan 😛

Also i would like to know if anyone can just clarify me, the OP actually got a stable system on his gpu on 850mv at 1860mhz and he have a gtx 1060... I have a gtx 1070 and like i said previusly the better heat/performance i could achieve was with 800mv at 1646mhz. My question is, and i know its not only the clock speed that matters but... is his gpu actually performing better than mine?

I got mine on 2nd hand so i'm not actually so much concern cuz mine was cheaper than original price... still with all this heating problems i'm actually thinking o nre-selling it and maybe buy a new out of the box one but with a gtx 1060... and well sorry but probably from another brand =S i dont know just asking ur opinions. I doing a lot of effort on research and tbh doesnt really seems there are actually any laptop without this issues sadly.

Anyway thanks all o/

clock for clock a 1070 is more powerful than a 1060, you would have to compare benchmark numbers but I'm betting your 1070 is still faster. Also most other brands have similar problems with heating/throttling, or they are much larger systems or they just runs the fans at insanely loud speeds (ex.Razer).

yeah its unfortunate that these system don't run perfect out of the box however with simple undervolting the problem is pretty much fixed and you'll get even better than stock performance.

I run my 1070gtx GPU at 1784mhz @ 850mV with a CPU undervolt of -110mV speedboost enabled. My GPU temps stay under 65c and CPU low 80c's with the fans boosted to 50%. I'll be doing a repaste next (partly just because I enjoy working on computers in that way but its hardly required..)

I say stick with your system as you'll gave trouble finding something similar in the same price range. I'm sure you can squeeze a little more performance out of your system with some more tweaking.