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[GL702VM & similar] Solution to Performance issues / Overheating / Throttling / Whine

onjax
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Hi guys, I bought GL702VM and was upset with its ability to handle games and high load. I had immediate temperature jump to over 85 jump and throttling / frame drops in games. So I decided to understand how to improve things, even though, I already lost my warranty due to my experiments, but at least I can answer for everyone, that:
- the main problem of this notebook is inefficient, insufficient cooling system with too thin fans, too small heatsinks, vent holes in a wrong places (aside, not above the fans).

To prove this, I first changed the thermal interface to liquid metal. That doesn't solve the issue. This proves, the thermal contact is ok, but heat dissipation is bad. Second, I ran stress tests with back cover removed - helped a lot, about 15-20 degrees off. The proves that air intake is wrong in this system.

I also removed an antidust tape with holes covering all the intake holes. That helped by around 5 degrees and also brought down air noise.

Then I came to idea of downvolting CPU and GPU, thanks to devs of ThrottleStop and MSI Afterburner, we can do this with relative ease.

The result: Fan noise reduced by half. Temp drop is huge. More speed due to ability of CPU/GPU to properly boost to max speed.

For your information - CPU is responsible for about 30% of heat, GPU - for 70%. So best idea is to undervolt the GPU, but for best results go for both.

THE GUIDE - CPU
Variant A - Install Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility

  • Go to Advanced Tuning tab and Change Dynamic CPU Voltage Offset to negative value (move slider to the left). -100mV is a good starting point. Leave Mode to Adaptive.
  • Apply changes.

My CPU holds -150mV well.

Variant B - Install Throttle Stop 8.3 or above

  • On main window click FIVR button
  • Under CPU Core Voltage move Offset Voltage slider to the left. -100mV is a good starting point. The lower value the less heat.
  • Click Apply. On the same window you can save settings to make them apply every time you start the app.


THE GUIDE - GPU

  • Download and Install MSI Afterburner 4.3 or above
  • In settings turn on Unlock voltage control and Unlock voltage monitoring
  • Close MSI Afterburner
  • Download my Voltage Profile for GTX 1060
  • Extract profile to some folder and then copy file to "C:\Program Files (x86)\MSI Afterburner\Profiles". Click continue as Administrator when Windows asks permission to write.
  • Run MSI Afterburner, click on profile 1 (out of 5). Then press Ctrl+F. (1 - least heat, but may be unstable for some... 2, bit more voltage etc till 5.)
  • You will see my Voltage Curve (screenshot). What you'll see that it's flat until 1050mv. that means. 1050 will never be used, so will never be used any voltage except 831mV @ 1860 MHz and below.
  • Click apply to test this curve
  • If this curve is not stable for you - edit it to your taste: Click on 831mV dot and move it lower, so that lower freq will be used for that voltage, and for 1860 freq next available voltage will be used. Etc. Work with leftmost voltage dots to make everything stable.


This curve drops heat of GPU by at least 30%, which is huge.

THE GUIDE - COIL WHINE
Workaround described here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/975530

Perform only these steps as Administrator:
1. At a command prompt, run the following command:
reg add HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Processor /v Capabilities /t REG_DWORD /d 0x0007e066
2. Restart the computer.
3. Run ThrottleStop v8.3 or above and uncheck C1E. Click save.

In theory, it will make CPU a bit hotter while system is idle, because it disables some advanced C-states, but i didn't notice that in monitoring app.
That solved like 99.9% of the noise, and in addition, disabling C1E in ThrottleStop solved noise issue completely.
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Guys, I've been following this guide and it's done wonders for my temperatures, just one thing; I removed the dust covers in the intake holes but I saw on the processor side some tapes on top of the dust cover. It looks like fiber and I also noticed that this intake is right above the Wifi card. Is this a conductive tape of some sort? I don't want to remove it if it somehow helps the wifi card get better signal but it is covering a big part of the hole.

Any help on this would be appreciated as I have not heard this tape mentioned in any of the previous posts.

Edd Luq wrote:
Guys, I've been following this guide and it's done wonders for my temperatures, just one thing; I removed the dust covers in the intake holes but I saw on the processor side some tapes on top of the dust cover. It looks like fiber and I also noticed that this intake is right above the Wifi card. Is this a conductive tape of some sort? I don't want to remove it if it somehow helps the wifi card get better signal but it is covering a big part of the hole.

Any help on this would be appreciated as I have not heard this tape mentioned in any of the previous posts.


It's been few day since I remove the tape. I don't have any issues.

dwyt326 wrote:
It's been few day since I remove the tape. I don't have any issues.


Even wifi signal? Cause its a grounding for wifi antenna, i guess.


Guys, do you know why my notebook fan control doesn't work?
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adeptius wrote:
Even wifi signal? Cause its a grounding for wifi antenna, i guess.


Guys, do you know why my notebook fan control doesn't work?
temp -2145135434 by Celsius 🙂


I have nothing. Should work if you're using the config instructions provided by this guy here: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89061-GL702VM-amp-similar-Solution-to-Performance-issues-O...

Maybe a bios revision issue? Non-US spec difference? Kaby Lake refresh issue? :confused:

adeptius wrote:

Guys, do you know why my notebook fan control doesn't work?
temp -2145135434 by Celsius 🙂


I have a similar issue where it would show as 0% no matter if I chose a speed or auto but the fans would still work normally, speed up when it gets hot and slow down when the laptop cooled down and the 3rd fan would still work as configured in the profile. I know because the 3rd fan would not turn on at all for me and using NBFC fixed this.

Dont know what causes it, just make sure the fans speed up and down normally and you should be good.

Guys, do you know why my notebook fan control doesn't work?
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I dot know why, but some time later it works)
but i still using standart cooling cause it more smooth.

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Took me several days to apply it because of my work and the pre-cuts aren't perfect and some covers the logo and words so i have to cut them myself but it was fun. 😉
until now not yet done, i still have to work on the keyboards, bad artistic hands.

Finally I could play decently with my laptop thanks to all of you (I have an Asus GL502VM, but I use the configurations of the GL702VM). I attached several screenshots to see if it is normal for the computer in idle to have these temperatures (With the notebook fan controll I always have fans at 12.5%). Also if someone could tell me why in hwinfo it marks me as USB version supported as 2.0, when the ports are 3.0.


I have not modified the bottom with the holes, maybe next week.

I forgot to comment, that with the notebook fan control, I can not activate the third fan. I can activate the 1st and the Gpu and I hear the noise, but this seems to do nothing. Could this be broken? Or is the profile of the notebook fan control for the GL702VM and why it does not work? I've updated the chipset drivers Chipset_D_Intel_Win10_64_VER2120164541. Could it be this or the fans controlled by the bios only?

Thanks

So I've read through this entire thread and I'd like to ad my 2cents concerning my GL702VS Kaby Lake.


As the OP said, the biggest issue is the fans either not moving enough or having access to fresh air. For me, the absolute biggest difference so far has simply been turning up the fans. It seems Asus went a little too aggressive on the machine being quiet when gaming and relying on thermal throttling vs just keeping things cool.

Being a Kaby lake model, I have the advantage of being able to set a % increase in the ROG Gaming Center (currently at 30%). What's nice about this is its a set and forget option, the fans still work in auto mode but always 30% over the default. Combine that with a .100v CPU UV my CPU/GPU idle temps are 35c-40c with a fan RPM of around 2500 (haven't touched GPUv).

After running 3dMark's Firestrike Stress Test for 10minutes the CPU maxes out in the low 80c's, the GPU at 69C. the fans gets to about 4400rpm (of a possible 5300rpm)

GPU-Z shows the the GPU was easily holding 1650+Mhz with no sign of any throttling, Intel XTU confirms no CPU throttling. And I want to remind that this is with a boost of 30% to the fans, increase this to 40% or 50% and the numbers just get better and better (also note I haven't made any holes In the bottom yet either).


Yes the fans are a little louder than the default settings (hardly annoying and definitely still quieter than other gaming laptops), but this is a thin and light gaming laptop, it's normal the fans because audible when gaming. But I get full power from this machine and no where near any sort of throttle on either the CPU/GPU.

The next step is going to be drilling some sort of holes to further improve airflow, although I haven't yet decided on what style I going to make them.

conclusion,

Limiting the CPU to 99% is a total waist of time, a short-term band-aid at best and shouldn't be considered a fix.

Turning up the fans and improving airflow (drilling holes) should be the #1 priority.

Undervolting helps, but wont fix it on its own.

Happy Gaming!

EDIT** yeah I may have not tested properly. After a good 2-3 hour gaming session running PUBG, my CPU was back up in the 90c+ and Intel XTU even reported a couple throttle events. Even with the fans on MAX the CPU was still getting well over 90c.

So.. 😞 back to 99% for now. I gotta drill my case sooner than later I suppose.

FastM wrote:
Limiting the CPU to 99% is a total waist of time, a short-term band-aid at best and shouldn't be considered a fix.

Turning up the fans and improving airflow (drilling holes) should be the #1 priority.

Undervolting helps, but wont fix it on its own.


GL702VM here.

Disabling turbo isn't a waste of time, as it makes no difference regarding fps, but helps reducing temps quite significantly. Unfortunately this and uv are our only options on the skylake model other than modding the bottom cover (which voids warranty).

I also tried ramping all fans up to 100% using notebook fan control, and I can tell you that it barely makes a difference.
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