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[GL702VM & similar] Solution to Performance issues / Overheating / Throttling / Whine

onjax
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Hi guys, I bought GL702VM and was upset with its ability to handle games and high load. I had immediate temperature jump to over 85 jump and throttling / frame drops in games. So I decided to understand how to improve things, even though, I already lost my warranty due to my experiments, but at least I can answer for everyone, that:
- the main problem of this notebook is inefficient, insufficient cooling system with too thin fans, too small heatsinks, vent holes in a wrong places (aside, not above the fans).

To prove this, I first changed the thermal interface to liquid metal. That doesn't solve the issue. This proves, the thermal contact is ok, but heat dissipation is bad. Second, I ran stress tests with back cover removed - helped a lot, about 15-20 degrees off. The proves that air intake is wrong in this system.

I also removed an antidust tape with holes covering all the intake holes. That helped by around 5 degrees and also brought down air noise.

Then I came to idea of downvolting CPU and GPU, thanks to devs of ThrottleStop and MSI Afterburner, we can do this with relative ease.

The result: Fan noise reduced by half. Temp drop is huge. More speed due to ability of CPU/GPU to properly boost to max speed.

For your information - CPU is responsible for about 30% of heat, GPU - for 70%. So best idea is to undervolt the GPU, but for best results go for both.

THE GUIDE - CPU
Variant A - Install Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility

  • Go to Advanced Tuning tab and Change Dynamic CPU Voltage Offset to negative value (move slider to the left). -100mV is a good starting point. Leave Mode to Adaptive.
  • Apply changes.

My CPU holds -150mV well.

Variant B - Install Throttle Stop 8.3 or above

  • On main window click FIVR button
  • Under CPU Core Voltage move Offset Voltage slider to the left. -100mV is a good starting point. The lower value the less heat.
  • Click Apply. On the same window you can save settings to make them apply every time you start the app.


THE GUIDE - GPU

  • Download and Install MSI Afterburner 4.3 or above
  • In settings turn on Unlock voltage control and Unlock voltage monitoring
  • Close MSI Afterburner
  • Download my Voltage Profile for GTX 1060
  • Extract profile to some folder and then copy file to "C:\Program Files (x86)\MSI Afterburner\Profiles". Click continue as Administrator when Windows asks permission to write.
  • Run MSI Afterburner, click on profile 1 (out of 5). Then press Ctrl+F. (1 - least heat, but may be unstable for some... 2, bit more voltage etc till 5.)
  • You will see my Voltage Curve (screenshot). What you'll see that it's flat until 1050mv. that means. 1050 will never be used, so will never be used any voltage except 831mV @ 1860 MHz and below.
  • Click apply to test this curve
  • If this curve is not stable for you - edit it to your taste: Click on 831mV dot and move it lower, so that lower freq will be used for that voltage, and for 1860 freq next available voltage will be used. Etc. Work with leftmost voltage dots to make everything stable.


This curve drops heat of GPU by at least 30%, which is huge.

THE GUIDE - COIL WHINE
Workaround described here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/975530

Perform only these steps as Administrator:
1. At a command prompt, run the following command:
reg add HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Processor /v Capabilities /t REG_DWORD /d 0x0007e066
2. Restart the computer.
3. Run ThrottleStop v8.3 or above and uncheck C1E. Click save.

In theory, it will make CPU a bit hotter while system is idle, because it disables some advanced C-states, but i didn't notice that in monitoring app.
That solved like 99.9% of the noise, and in addition, disabling C1E in ThrottleStop solved noise issue completely.
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dwyt326 wrote:
Don't know. My laptop haven't arrived yet. I'm just practicing and finding a good template. I will do some testing first before drilling it.

About the warranty. Im from the Philippines. I bought it from Amazon since it is really cheap but the shipping fee is expensive. So I have it mail to my relative's (in the US) since they will come and visit next month. We have Asus Service center here but I doubt the warranty still valid since it is from the US.


The manufacturers warranty should still apply. I would shoot a message to their customer support. It never hurts to ask. 🙂

Bran187 wrote:
The manufacturers warranty should still apply. I would shoot a message to their customer support. It never hurts to ask. 🙂


Thanks Bran. 🙂

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Which is better? The hole is 1mm, maybe I'll make it 2mm. 🙂

Alright. I'm all in on team Opolar. lol

My Opolar just arrived today and here are my results after a quick Aida64 test. Had Aida stressing both the CPU and GPU for 10 minutes.

I have mine on a cooling pad, with the CPU undervolted, and set to a 99% power plan. Laptop fan speed set to auto in both tests. Also laptop is closed because I use an external monitor when I'm at home, and the Opolar is mounted on the right side (in relation to the laptop facing you as normal).

Without Opolar:
Fans ramped up to 4300 RPM.

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With Opolar:
Fan ramped up to 3100 RPM.

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Conclusion:

I'm sold.

8c cooler on the CPU.
6c cooler on the GPU.
Fans running at 1200RPM lower.

Definitely ordering a second one next payday. XD

Bran187 wrote:
Alright. I'm all in on team Opolar. lol

My Opolar just arrived today and here are my results after a quick Aida64 test. Had Aida stressing both the CPU and GPU for 10 minutes.

I have mine on a cooling pad, with the CPU undervolted, and set to a 99% power plan. Laptop fan speed set to auto in both tests. Also laptop is closed because I use an external monitor when I'm at home, and the Opolar is mounted on the right side (in relation to the laptop facing you as normal).

Without Opolar:
Fans ramped up to 4300 RPM.

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With Opolar:
Fan ramped up to 3100 RPM.

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Conclusion:

I'm sold.

8c cooler on the CPU.
6c cooler on the GPU.
Fans running at 1200RPM lower.

Definitely ordering a second one next payday. XD



I hear that, Bran. My Opolars are definitely the thing that reassures me the most. I will generally leave both on setting 2 now which has my GL702VM idling at 32C with my fans at 1800 RPM (only a web browser open). If I set them to auto it'll idle at around 36/37C. Prior to firing up a resource intensive game I will set them to 10 or 11 and for what I'm playing I really don't see temps beyond 72C. Most of the games I play in fact stay below 65C. With two LC06s you will also notice your system is able to drop temps quite fast after playing a game. They just suck all that hot air right out.

StarJack

Good morning all, I just thought I would post a link to a BIOS update for the GL702VM. This update is specifically for the thermals related to the CPU. I'm going to install this and hopefully I will see a noticeable improvement. Maybe ASUS has paid attention to this thread.

https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/ROG-GL702VM/HelpDesk_Download/

Note: The update was released on 5/24/2017, so it's very recent.

Trevor88 wrote:
Good morning all, I just thought I would post a link to a BIOS update for the GL702VM. This update is specifically for the thermals related to the CPU. I'm going to install this and hopefully I will see a noticeable improvement. Maybe ASUS has paid attention to this thread.

https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/ROG-GL702VM/HelpDesk_Download/

Note: The update was released on 5/24/2017, so it's very recent.


My Laptop reports as a GL702VMK within ROG Gaming Center. The update you reference seems to be available only for the GL702VM model.

I'd like to know the difference between the two models. I wonder if the K is for the Kaby Lake refresh, which I have. Maybe that thermal update is for last year's Skylake model. Anybody from ASUS able to shed some light on this?

Here's some of my system information - you can get this by running a command shell and typing SYSTEMINFO. Maybe someone with the Skylake model could run systeminfo and let me know if theirs is a VM or a VMK.

C:\Users\root>systeminfo

Host Name: DESKTOP-6TNKO7M
OS Name: Microsoft Windows 10 Home
OS Version: 10.0.15063 N/A Build 15063
OS Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
OS Configuration: Standalone Workstation
OS Build Type: Multiprocessor Free
Registered Owner: N/A
Registered Organization: N/A
Product ID: ---------------------------------------------
Original Install Date: 2017-05-07, 6:36:50 PM
System Boot Time: 2017-05-22, 3:35:36 PM
System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
System Model: GL702VMK
System Type: x64-based PC
Processor(s): 1 Processor(s) Installed.
[01]: Intel64 Family 6 Model 158 Stepping 9 GenuineIntel ~2707 Mhz
BIOS Version: American Megatrends Inc. GL702VMK.202, 2016-12-01



StarJack

StarJack wrote:
My Laptop reports as a GL702VMK within ROG Gaming Center. The update you reference seems to be available only for the GL702VM model.

I'd like to know the difference between the two models. I wonder if the K is for the Kaby Lake refresh, which I have. Maybe that thermal update is for last year's Skylake model. Anybody from ASUS able to shed some light on this?

Here's some of my system information - you can get this by running a command shell and typing SYSTEMINFO. Maybe someone with the Skylake model could run systeminfo and let me know if theirs is a VM or a VMK.

C:\Users\root>systeminfo

Host Name: DESKTOP-6TNKO7M
OS Name: Microsoft Windows 10 Home
OS Version: 10.0.15063 N/A Build 15063
OS Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
OS Configuration: Standalone Workstation
OS Build Type: Multiprocessor Free
Registered Owner: N/A
Registered Organization: N/A
Product ID: 00325-96077-00254-AAOEM
Original Install Date: 2017-05-07, 6:36:50 PM
System Boot Time: 2017-05-22, 3:35:36 PM
System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
System Model: GL702VMK
System Type: x64-based PC
Processor(s): 1 Processor(s) Installed.
[01]: Intel64 Family 6 Model 158 Stepping 9 GenuineIntel ~2707 Mhz
BIOS Version: American Megatrends Inc. GL702VMK.202, 2016-12-01



StarJack


Just updated the BIOS i have clearly a 702VM with the i7-6700HQ processor, no details about what has changed unfortunately :confused:

Computer
Computer Brand Name: ASUS GL702VM

Motherboard
Motherboard Model: ASUS GL702VM
Motherboard Chipset: Intel HM170 (Skylake PCH-H)
Motherboard Slots: 2xPCI Express x1, 1xPCI Express x2, 1xPCI Express x4, 1xPCI Express x16
PCI Express Version Supported: v3.0
USB Version Supported: v3.0

BIOS
BIOS Manufacturer: American Megatrends Inc.
BIOS Date: 04/28/2017
BIOS Version: GL702VM.305
UEFI BIOS: Capable

Super-IO/LPC Chip: Unknown

StarJack wrote:
My Laptop reports as a GL702VMK within ROG Gaming Center. The update you reference seems to be available only for the GL702VM model.

I'd like to know the difference between the two models. I wonder if the K is for the Kaby Lake refresh, which I have. Maybe that thermal update is for last year's Skylake model. Anybody from ASUS able to shed some light on this?

Here's some of my system information - you can get this by running a command shell and typing SYSTEMINFO. Maybe someone with the Skylake model could run systeminfo and let me know if theirs is a VM or a VMK.

C:\Users\root>systeminfo

Host Name: DESKTOP-6TNKO7M
OS Name: Microsoft Windows 10 Home
OS Version: 10.0.15063 N/A Build 15063
OS Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
OS Configuration: Standalone Workstation
OS Build Type: Multiprocessor Free
Registered Owner: N/A
Registered Organization: N/A
Product ID: 00325-96077-00254-AAOEM
Original Install Date: 2017-05-07, 6:36:50 PM
System Boot Time: 2017-05-22, 3:35:36 PM
System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
System Model: GL702VMK
System Type: x64-based PC
Processor(s): 1 Processor(s) Installed.
[01]: Intel64 Family 6 Model 158 Stepping 9 GenuineIntel ~2707 Mhz
BIOS Version: American Megatrends Inc. GL702VMK.202, 2016-12-01



StarJack


Here are my specs:

Host Name: DESKTOP-64EVOIS
OS Name: Microsoft Windows 10 Home
OS Version: 10.0.14393 N/A Build 14393
OS Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
OS Configuration: Standalone Workstation
OS Build Type: Multiprocessor Free
Registered Owner: N/A
Registered Organization: N/A
Product ID: 06348-86247-97231-AAOEM
Original Install Date: 3/4/2017, 8:19:13 PM
System Boot Time: 5/27/2017, 10:01:13 AM
System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
System Model: GL702VM
System Type: x64-based PC
Processor(s): 1 Processor(s) Installed.
[01]: Intel64 Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3 GenuineIntel ~2592 Mhz
BIOS Version: American Megatrends Inc. GL702VM.305, 4/28/2017

Trevor88 wrote:
Here are my specs:

Host Name: DESKTOP-64EVOIS
OS Name: Microsoft Windows 10 Home
OS Version: 10.0.14393 N/A Build 14393
OS Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
OS Configuration: Standalone Workstation
OS Build Type: Multiprocessor Free
Registered Owner: N/A
Registered Organization: N/A
Product ID: 06348-86247-97231-AAOEM
Original Install Date: 3/4/2017, 8:19:13 PM
System Boot Time: 5/27/2017, 10:01:13 AM
System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
System Model: GL702VM
System Type: x64-based PC
Processor(s): 1 Processor(s) Installed.
[01]: Intel64 Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3 GenuineIntel ~2592 Mhz
BIOS Version: American Megatrends Inc. GL702VM.305, 4/28/2017



Carefull with the ID´s guys. You are posting your Serials....


At first glance I guess this new BIOS improved how the system deals with Turbo Boost. So at first glance the Throttling is now controlled. But the temperatures keep for gaming at ULTRA in BF1 keep lingering between 87-90. with cooling pad, MSI profile 3, XTU -0.150mV and Fan Controlling at MAX.

Kompensan wrote:
Carefull with the ID´s guys. You are posting your Serials....


At first glance I guess this new BIOS improved how the system deals with Turbo Boost. So at first glance the Throttling is now controlled. But the temperatures keep for gaming at ULTRA in BF1 keep lingering between 87-90. with cooling pad, MSI profile 3, XTU -0.150mV and Fan Controlling at MAX.


Do you have the gl702vm or vmk? And if you have the vm version, how do you set the fan speed?
GL702VM