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G712LWS Thermal Upgrade GPU with Liquid Metal?!

kingjez
Level 8

Hey,

i have actualy an Asus ROG G712 LWS, with i7-10750H & Nvidia 2070 Super.

Can someone tell me, if does it make sense to uptrade the GPU with Liquid Metal, someone tried and made it?

2nd Question, someone updatet the Intel Grafic Driver from Intel site, via Intel Driver Software?

Coz Windows wanna install always the OEM one

thx for help in advance

greetz

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Ragnaraz690
Level 11

That all depends on your level of competence.
I don't mean that as an attack on you, I have overhauled a few laptops with liquid metal the 2021 A15 FA506QR and a Legion 5 gen 6 I believe it is.

If your machine uses paste, it is likely due a refresh anyway. Liquid metal can make some fairly substantial gains over pastes on the whole but it comes with the risk of electrical damage if it gets where it shouldn't be. Conductonaut extreme is now commercially available and is touted as 20% better than standard conductonaut. It's a no brainer to use that if you're going for it.

Things to be mindful of, you do no need much liquid metal for it to work. The gallium in the LM will migrate to the copper and make an alloy on the surface. If being used on bare copper this is what you need to happen before assembly. My method is to clean up the cooling assembly and gently flat the coldplates with 800fgrit wet and dry. and then clean up thoroughly with isopropyl  (Well away from your actual machine). Apply a excess of liquid metal to an area larger than the contact patch and then bake it in the oven for a few hours at about 90c. The flatting cleans and opens the surface of the copper making it more porous and the baking process will accelerate the alamgamation process. Once cool, gently wipe away excess, reapply a standard amount for use to the contact area and the dies themselves and you're good to go. If you do bake the assembly be sure to make sure there is no plastics on it. If the fans mount to the cooler, you need to remove them.

You can try to source a foam or sponge to act as a barrier to prevent spills, some use a thermal putty as it is easier to make a barrier with, others use a thicker paste like SYY 157. You will need to use a conformal coating on the SMDs around the chips matter less as that would be instant death should it get on those. You can also use Kapton tape, I always preferred a direct coating just to be sure.

You will also need to buy thermal putty for the VRMs and VRAM, messy and awkward but Upsiren UX Pro Ultra is one of if not the best putty on the market and will guarantee great contact and thermal transfer without impeding the cooling assembly mounting like trying to swap thermal pads can do.

 

If you know all of this and are just wondering.
Yes, it will make for a much cooler laptop, if you can OC the CPU you will get better overall performance from the thermal headroom. If you use MSI afterburner and undervolt and overclock the GPU you should also get better performance and cooler temps, especially when coupled with liquid metal.

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Ragnaraz690
Level 11

That all depends on your level of competence.
I don't mean that as an attack on you, I have overhauled a few laptops with liquid metal the 2021 A15 FA506QR and a Legion 5 gen 6 I believe it is.

If your machine uses paste, it is likely due a refresh anyway. Liquid metal can make some fairly substantial gains over pastes on the whole but it comes with the risk of electrical damage if it gets where it shouldn't be. Conductonaut extreme is now commercially available and is touted as 20% better than standard conductonaut. It's a no brainer to use that if you're going for it.

Things to be mindful of, you do no need much liquid metal for it to work. The gallium in the LM will migrate to the copper and make an alloy on the surface. If being used on bare copper this is what you need to happen before assembly. My method is to clean up the cooling assembly and gently flat the coldplates with 800fgrit wet and dry. and then clean up thoroughly with isopropyl  (Well away from your actual machine). Apply a excess of liquid metal to an area larger than the contact patch and then bake it in the oven for a few hours at about 90c. The flatting cleans and opens the surface of the copper making it more porous and the baking process will accelerate the alamgamation process. Once cool, gently wipe away excess, reapply a standard amount for use to the contact area and the dies themselves and you're good to go. If you do bake the assembly be sure to make sure there is no plastics on it. If the fans mount to the cooler, you need to remove them.

You can try to source a foam or sponge to act as a barrier to prevent spills, some use a thermal putty as it is easier to make a barrier with, others use a thicker paste like SYY 157. You will need to use a conformal coating on the SMDs around the chips matter less as that would be instant death should it get on those. You can also use Kapton tape, I always preferred a direct coating just to be sure.

You will also need to buy thermal putty for the VRMs and VRAM, messy and awkward but Upsiren UX Pro Ultra is one of if not the best putty on the market and will guarantee great contact and thermal transfer without impeding the cooling assembly mounting like trying to swap thermal pads can do.

 

If you know all of this and are just wondering.
Yes, it will make for a much cooler laptop, if you can OC the CPU you will get better overall performance from the thermal headroom. If you use MSI afterburner and undervolt and overclock the GPU you should also get better performance and cooler temps, especially when coupled with liquid metal.

kingjez
Level 8

@Ragnaraz690 Thank you very much for this great information and your time.

Im actualy just asking, dont need an special operation on it, I just want to renew this thermal paste for GPU and liequid metal on the CPU.

btw. i read already bout the "new" Conductonaut extreme, actualy i have now the previous one , more than enough, i also will replace the complete thermal modul, in one place it is bent.

i have bought btw. that TG Remove from Thermaly grizzly that can remove that ugly liquid metal rly good and fast and yea youre right i have looking for to dont get them on the mainboard..

i wonder if the 2022 Modell, with AMD processor also get so ****** hot? and 2023 with AMD 6900HX processor or the intel 13th gen, i just heard that the noise of the fans, are now much quiter?

Ragnaraz690
Level 11

No worries 🙂
You don't want to remove that silvery layer on the copper, it acts as a barrier stopping the second coat of conductonaut from sinking in again, I just used isopropyl and a lot of cotton buds lol.

Not entirely sure, I mean RoG models did get the Conductonaut extreme treatment in newer models. Cooling revisions were made too. Both chips are pretty hot as full power. I use an IETS GT500 to reign in the temps of my A15's 6800H, this will soon get the conductonaut extreme treatment. I did also read somewhere that ASUS decided to limit maximum fan speed because of people moaning about the fan noise when it gets hot.

solid info, I myself am planning to repaste this zephryus duo 2023

my hotspots on the 7945hx between cores have nearly a 20c variance so im gonna reapply the extreme on cpu, while im at gonna PTM the gpu and use upsiren on the vrms and vram,

Im pretty sure they dont bake the cooler after applying the conductnaut to the cpu which is why theres such a variance on the hotspots when this cpu can report hitting 96c tdie and 95c certain cores before throttling, also the chiplet design has a play in it

You don't bake the CPU itself, just the cooler.

They nickelplate the coldplates instead, nickel reacts extremely slow when exposed to liquid metal. It's the best way to get long lasting results with it. it's just a pain in the arse to do at home lol.

what i meant to say is im sure they dont apply liquid metal to cooler and bake it in factory before applying it to cpu.

only baking it gets is after when these newest gen cpus are hitting like 95c under load

😄 the IETS GT500, looks hightech, never saw smt. like that lel ..i think i will try it hehei just 

wanna change the complete thermal modul, coz on some places are defec or bent.

then i use the TG remove to clean the ****** out.. and use conductnaut on CPU and GPU the kyronaut or let it be..

coz i have no high temps on GPU

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