660m or 670m - need gaming benchmarks

[noneone]

Hi all!

notebookcheck.com

clearly shows the 660m slower than the 670m (10 to 20%) and 30% slower than the 675m. Yes. I know the 660m uses less power, is cooler, newer platform, and can be overclocked a bunch, but, the 670M can be OC too. Of course, the 680M is tons faster than even the 675M, and is the card to get for the most power, but, alas, not for Asus G75.


I currently have alienware m17x Dual gtx 280m SLI. I'm considering G75VW with a 660M ($1200 USD, Best Buy) G75 with a 670M (Tigerdirect, $1500), or an MSI GT70 "maxed out" $2500 G680. I would rather get (probably get more longevity) a G75 for $1200 now, and then a G7x for $1200 next year, but, the 680M is tempting.


I need to get a better handle on how fast the 660M really is right now.


SO, it would help me if you all could post some FPS for games. I am MOST interested in WoW at 1080P at max settings, and for BF3, at max settings.

If I could get some real world 670M VS 660M gaming FPS benches that would help me out.

Thanks much for any help!

[noneone]

ForCeV wrote:
Do you need a screen shot to compare it?? here is the result..


27FPS is the 770 1650 overclock. 23 fps is the default clock. The temperture is 3"C differences.

Thanks! That's a 20% overclock, i.e. a LOT faster. Most folks consider 30 FPS as the break even for playable, while niether one is 30, the OC at 27 almost makes it, while the 23 isn't close. 20%, going from 100FPS to 120FPS, isn't a big deal at all, while 20% around 30 FPS is pretty big improvement.

That is exactly the kind of info I was looking for ... almost. What settings did you have on, and what resolution?

IF that's a 670M, at 1080P, at max settings for BF3, that screen shot then shows this card does NOT have enough horsepower for max settings.

NOTE, notebook check had the G75VW with 670M only able to do 20 FPS in BF3 on ultra settings, so, you're getting much higher than that.

See how specific benchmarks can help me out?

Thanks again!

[bignazpwns]

Vs stock a oc on the GTX 660m in wow gained about 25-30fps
As for the memory interface your right it does help at higher res's...2560x1600 and up 1920X1080 is considered mid. At those higher resolutions is where the bigger interfaces shine. Now at the res's games will bring the GTX 670,675 to its knee's heck even some at those res's make it so i gotta lower the settings on my GTX 680m


Another thing to note is what kind of core is used. Kepler handles games better then fermi thats a fact. You base it on interface well my old school 6800 ultra has a 256bit but at 2560x1600 it would take a hit like a truck.


with that 1650mhz overclock my GTX 660m at 1300 is pulling more frames by quite a few. Now i dont know what the 770 means maybe its a 670m type-o but if thats the case your saying you got almost a more then 1052mhz overclock on the vore and only a 3c load increase? The voltage alone needed to pull that would push the card well above 3c with ease. If it was a 660m then thats a 815mhz on the core. These cards max from 1200-1400 without a vmod. At thase case 300mhz higher then my oc you claim 3c higher temps vs mine that was 3c higher despite a extra 350mhz

[Zygomorphic]

256-bit sure, but what clock speeds?

3 C higher, maybe true. If the cooling is good and the chip is one of the best from the foundry, then it is possible.

[ForCeV]

Yes it is 670m card. I always run a max resolution 1920x1080p and I have a 120hz screen with capable 3D. Anyway, the FPS is definitely flexible. so 20FPS that you see on benchmark isn't much differences. Actually, if you want to stay over 30fps. I better recommend you another laptop which has 7970m gpu card or 680m gpu unless you should adjust graphic option in the game.


PS> When I consider buy a laptop on June, I was thinking 7970m either because it is the 40%over faster than currently. However, I checked 7970m card enbled laptop was alienware at the offline store like microcenter. It was even warmer than ASUS g75. I really don't like to feel any warm or hot by surface on keyboard. Especially WASD key cap side. Inside the store was cool enough, and Asus was very cool but alienware doesn't. Therefore, I chose a Asus instead of Alienware.. ( Sometimes I feel very desiderium less powerful gpu card on Asus G75). However, I really like cool keyboard rather than hot keyboard.

[noneone]

I have an alienware m17x R1. It has a known overheating / over volting problem Dell ignores / tries to not fix. Alienware does have some of the top end componets, but, they have a very long track record of not working stuff / downgrading stuff if it doesn't work. They "fixed" some of the R1 issues in bios but underclocking / slowing down the video cards to use less power. The recent R3 actually LOST sata 3 in one of the bioses, etc.

So, I'm hoping to NOT look at the alienware. I like the Asus build and design quality, I just wish they had a 680M. I have to buy a computer this week (game expansion next week 🙂 ) and I'm trying to decide between the Asus 660M/ 670M VS an MSI with a 680M. That's why I'm looking for real world game benchmarks from folks that already have the Asus, so I can see if it will be fast enough for me.

Thanks forcev for your numbers and specs!

[bignazpwns]

ForCeV wrote:
Yes it is 670m card. I always run a max resolution 1920x1080p and I have a 120hz screen with capable 3D. Anyway, the FPS is definitely flexible. so 20FPS that you see on benchmark isn't much differences. Actually, if you want to stay over 30fps. I better recommend you another laptop which has 7970m gpu card or 680m gpu unless you should adjust graphic option in the game.

PS> When I consider buy a laptop on June, I was thinking 7970m either because it is the 40%over faster than currently. However, I checked 7970m card enbled laptop was alienware at the offline store like microcenter. It was even warmer than ASUS g75. I really don't like to feel any warm or hot by surface on keyboard. Especially WASD key cap side. Inside the store was cool enough, and Asus was very cool but alienware doesn't. Therefore, I chose a Asus instead of Alienware.. ( Sometimes I feel very desiderium less powerful gpu card on Asus G75). However, I really like cool keyboard rather than hot keyboard.

Well that makes you the worlds fastest GTX 670m since the current world record holder is at 850mhz and your calming almost 2X the overclock..750mhz more. Heck its higher then most desktop GTX 670's and those are kepler and your card is fermi. So you should be getting about 6.5k at those clocks in 3dmark 11.


7970M is crap as of right game. Endro bug ftw?


Your notepad x3 is useless on a G75. Air intakes are not even close to the fan's intakes. You seem concerned about heat and i will tell you that overclicking fermi's they heat up pretty fast and they do consume more power. Sucking more power is harder on the power circuity and battery. If you are going to overclock go with the GTX 660m. It runs cooelr, uses less power, overclocks way higher, has a hardware-based H.264 video encoder unlike the fermi's thats handled by the cuda cores, polymorph engines were redone to be 2X faster then fermi. It makes no seance in buying a GTX 670m now unless it was cheaper then the GTX 660m. I mean if the card ran cooler and overclocked higher then we would be talking. If it was faster then what i t was then we could talk but. But Kepler was made to be better give it some mhz and watch it show its teeth.

[ForCeV]

Well, I m not blaming GTX660m as you post it. Plz concern about main question. I m not a overclocker and also I know 660m has less heat less consumption. Of course, why not get an 660m if 660m can overtake 670m. The question of noneone was that which of those 660m vs 670m have better performance in the games. I want to ask you a question. SO if 660m overclocking is strong enough, then can 660m overtake 670m?? It isn't definitely even if it is kepler chip with new 28nm technology.

And also, I didn't compare with cooling 660m vs 670m. I compared different brand which was alienware.
If Asus has 7970m with good cooling system, everybody will definitely get this one. and I checked alienware in offline store. It was warmer when I touched which asus doesn't even in cooling building. That means alienware was quite worse cooling system than Asus. My point is if alienware can control cooler keyboard surface, I would choose alienware. Therefore, my choice was only two option in asus which has 660m and 670m. The most, I just checked powerful performance no matter what. So I decide 670m. Another reason, overclocking gp card is void warranty. I m not overclocker, I just tested FPS in games through noneone's request.

bignazpwns wrote:
Well that makes you the worlds fastest GTX 670m since the current world record holder is at 850mhz and your calming almost 2X the overclock..750mhz more. Heck its higher then most desktop GTX 670's and those are kepler and your card is fermi. So you should be getting about 6.5k at those clocks in 3dmark 11.


7970M is crap as of right game. Endro bug ftw?


Your notepad x3 is useless on a G75. Air intakes are not even close to the fan's intakes. You seem concerned about heat and i will tell you that overclicking fermi's they heat up pretty fast and they do consume more power. Sucking more power is harder on the power circuity and battery. If you are going to overclock go with the GTX 660m. It runs cooelr, uses less power, overclocks way higher, has a hardware-based H.264 video encoder unlike the fermi's thats handled by the cuda cores, polymorph engines were redone to be 2X faster then fermi. It makes no seance in buying a GTX 670m now unless it was cheaper then the GTX 660m. I mean if the card ran cooler and overclocked higher then we would be talking. If it was faster then what i t was then we could talk but. But Kepler was made to be better give it some mhz and watch it show its teeth.

[Zygomorphic]

bignazpwns wrote:
Well that makes you the worlds fastest GTX 670m since the current world record holder is at 850mhz and your calming almost 2X the overclock..750mhz more. Heck its higher then most desktop GTX 670's and those are kepler and your card is fermi. So you should be getting about 6.5k at those clocks in 3dmark 11.


7970M is crap as of right game. Endro bug ftw?


Your notepad x3 is useless on a G75. Air intakes are not even close to the fan's intakes. You seem concerned about heat and i will tell you that overclicking fermi's they heat up pretty fast and they do consume more power. Sucking more power is harder on the power circuity and battery. If you are going to overclock go with the GTX 660m. It runs cooelr, uses less power, overclocks way higher, has a hardware-based H.264 video encoder unlike the fermi's thats handled by the cuda cores, polymorph engines were redone to be 2X faster then fermi. It makes no seance in buying a GTX 670m now unless it was cheaper then the GTX 660m. I mean if the card ran cooler and overclocked higher then we would be talking. If it was faster then what i t was then we could talk but. But Kepler was made to be better give it some mhz and watch it show its teeth.

Is he posting core or shader? There is usually a 1:2 ratio.

660m with heavy OC can overtake a stock 670M, which in turn can be OC'ed...though not as hard. If you want the performance, get the 670M. It still runs cool in the G75VW.