Via Audio Driver v6.0.10.1400a

[Fire]

*banned website*

[Dreamonic]

No. In fact what changed is that the sub is now instant on or off now with the slider (max volume at 1)... stupid.

The sub in this won't ever just produce lows through itself like you think, wasn't implemented like that. It's in fact linked up with the other speakers directly. Sub is in fact, just a bigger speaker with bass control (that actually makes me laugh.)

These drivers also interrupt the audio jack and doesn't switch off speakers when used. Similarly to the pre 10400 drivers. I'm using the 10600's still because of that.

I don't get why they can't just use an audio filter 'voice removal' for the sub like there is for KM Player or VLC. Lightbulb! It doesn't matter if the audio has to be resampled again.


HERE IS THE REAL PROBLEM I FOUND

You will find if you adjust the sub bass slider in your Audio Deck Control Panel and leave volume control alone, and then go into your windows speakers properties "Levels" tab (watch the sliders here,) they both follow each other at the same level/volume if you adjust the volume slider. Now while in windows properties for your speakers "Levels" tab, If you adjust the sub's MonoBass slider down a bit and leave the volume slider alone you will get a full sounding experience. But the problem is, if you adjust the speakers volume again, the sub level/volume follows. You'll hear the difference almost immediantely.

Audio Deck Bass Filter slider does nothing if adjusting in the windows properites "Levels" sub MonoBass slider. They are working independently of each other until the action of adjusting volume levels.


And THERE is your problem!

[AzraelsKiss]

These drivers work similarly to 1200a. The sub scales with the volume control, so it stays in at proportionate level compared to the regular speakers. Also, when wired headphones are plugged in, the sound is cut from all speakers so that only the headphones produce sound. These drivers seem to provide a richer sound with less distortion through the speakers than 1200a, but that may just be placebo effect. No... The sub still isn't a true subwoofer, but I feel these audio drivers are the best available so far.

[Dreamonic]

Yes, but the 6.0.1.10600 drivers provide a louder, deeper sounding sub. I've tried all sound drivers and any beyond the 10600 makes the sub sound very underpowered, tinny and not as loud, even when turned up. It's probably what needed to be done to try to make things more balanced in the 1200a and 1400a driver. But I find it still isn't corrected unless you set the right speaker balance +15 over the left. Also, the bass sliders seem to increase sub volume, not bass like in the 6.0.1.10600 drivers did.

And if you install these sound drivers with your headphones in, after installation and after restarting, if you plug back in your headphones, the laptop speakers won't turn off like they are supposed to. Had to reinstall without the headphones in to correct that issue.

[jaroboss]

is itr better than 1200?

[Fire]

Dreamonic wrote:
Yes, but the 6.0.1.10600 drivers provide a louder, deeper sounding sub. I've tried all sound drivers and any beyond the 10600 makes the sub sound very underpowered, tinny and not as loud, even when turned up. It's probably what needed to be done to try to make things more balanced in the 1200a and 1400a driver. But I find it still isn't corrected unless you set the right speaker balance +15 over the left. Also, the bass sliders seem to increase sub volume, not bass like in the 6.0.1.10600 drivers did.

And if you install these sound drivers with your headphones in, after installation and after restarting, if you plug back in your headphones, the laptop speakers won't turn off like they are supposed to. Had to reinstall without the headphones in to correct that issue.

Thanks for the feedback bro

Ill revert back to 6.0.1.10600 and update the guide as well

[Dreamonic]

I've got more, haha.

I'll try to explain this best I can.

The 6.0.1.10600 drivers don't change the sub level output like in the rest of the drivers after it does.

All you need to do is set the Bass Filter in 6.0.1.10600 anywhere from 10-20 and don't move it again. When your speakers volume is past 20>45+ it will naturally over power the sub volume (not bass) from the laptops speakers and won't sound so one sided.

What I think they should have done in the revised drivers is just make the Bass Filter at level 15 be extrapolated to 0-100 levels.

I've tested this with so many songs at 50+ volume. It sounds great like this, don't see why there is so many problems. By design there will always be more sound coming from the left side regardless of what driver is used.

While this sounds like things already been discussed, there was something that wasn't.

The 1400a and 1200a drivers lower the sub level output substantially to try to balance out the rest of the overall dimensional audio experience.

To give you an idea of what this EXACTLY sounds like, if you install the 6.0.1.10600 drivers and turn the Bass Filter slider to 0, the sub isn't off but there is little to no bass now. It does not sound good like this with increased volume.

It's a world of difference having a subtle predominant sounding side with increased loudness from the sub than it is hearing a washed out and tinny like bass with not much better balance like in the latest releases.

Even though there is a Bass slider in the newer ones, from 0-100 it's exactly like putting the slider from "0-1" in the 6.0.1.10600's.

Besides, in the event you want what the 1400a or 1200a drivers and somewhat of an attempt to balance the speaker sound levels do, turn the Bass Filter in the 6.0.1.10600 to "0" and still keep the option to turn up your sub bass if need be in the future. That way you don't have to install another driver to do this, but it doesn't quite solve the problem!

What does?

Add everything I said about the MonoBass slider in my previous post (The MonoBass slider actually controls the sub volume not bass - only appears in 6.0.1.10600 and pre drivers) to the equation and it's the perfect combination. Now if they would only release a driver and updated Audio Deck control panel that addresses THIS.

All they need to do is give us the ability to adjust the sub volume to a sharing percentage ratio of what the speaker volume is set to. For example: IF the speakers are at 35%, make sub volume (slider) user defined %. Then with every percent increase of your speaker volume, adjust the sub volume level difference at set user defined %. And then leave the bass ouput alone! It's not rocket science. The problem lies when a bigger speaker (sub : watts) produces the same sound the smaller laptop speakers are producing at THE SAME VOLUME!

When I adjust the sub volume myself (lower) using the MonoBass slider. It sounds perfect! But when I increase the overall speaker volume, and for some screwed up reason the sub volume will automatically mirror whatever volume % the speakers are set to, leads me to believe it is not a hardware/design problem, it's software. I'm sure whoever is in charge of audio driver programming and system testing are not aware of what's actually happening.

[WontonNoodle]

Dreamonic wrote:
I've got more, haha.

I'll try to explain this best I can.

The 6.0.1.10600 drivers don't change the sub level output like in the rest of the drivers after it does.

All you need to do is set the Bass Filter in 6.0.1.10600 anywhere from 10-20 and don't move it again. When your speakers volume is past 20>45+ it will naturally over power the sub volume (not bass) from the laptops speakers and won't sound so one sided.

What I think they should have done in the revised drivers is just make the Bass Filter at level 15 be extrapolated to 0-100 levels.

I've tested this with so many songs at 50+ volume. It sounds great like this, don't see why there is so many problems. By design there will always be more sound coming from the left side regardless of what driver is used.

While this sounds like things already been discussed, there was something that wasn't.

The 1400a and 1200a drivers lower the sub level output substantially to try to balance out the rest of the overall dimensional audio experience.

To give you an idea of what this EXACTLY sounds like, if you install the 6.0.1.10600 drivers and turn the Bass Filter slider to 0, the sub isn't off but there is little to no bass now. It does not sound good like this with increased volume.

It's a world of difference having a subtle predominant sounding side with increased loudness from the sub than it is hearing a washed out and tinny like bass with not much better balance like in the latest releases.

Even though there is a Bass slider in the newer ones, from 0-100 it's exactly like putting the slider from "0-1" in the 6.0.1.10600's.

Besides, in the event you want what the 1400a or 1200a drivers and somewhat of an attempt to balance the speaker sound levels do, turn the Bass Filter in the 6.0.1.10600 to "0" and still keep the option to turn up your sub bass if need be in the future. That way you don't have to install another driver to do this, but it doesn't quite solve the problem!

What does?

Add everything I said about the MonoBass slider in my previous post (The MonoBass slider actually controls the sub volume not bass - only appears in 6.0.1.10600 and pre drivers) to the equation and it's the perfect combination. Now if they would only release a driver and updated Audio Deck control panel that addresses THIS.

All they need to do is give us the ability to adjust the sub volume to a sharing percentage ratio of what the speaker volume is set to. For example: IF the speakers are at 35%, make sub volume (slider) user defined %. Then with every percent increase of your speaker volume, adjust the sub volume level difference at set user defined %. And then leave the bass ouput alone! It's not rocket science. The problem lies when a bigger speaker (sub : watts) produces the same sound the smaller laptop speakers are producing at THE SAME VOLUME!

When I adjust the sub volume myself (lower) using the MonoBass slider. It sounds perfect! But when I increase the overall speaker volume, and for some screwed up reason the sub volume will automatically mirror whatever volume % the speakers are set to, leads me to believe it is not a hardware/design problem, it's software. I'm sure whoever is in charge of audio driver programming and system testing are not aware of what's actually happening.

dude contact VIA, this sounds pretty awesome if they can fix it

[AzraelsKiss]

Dreamonic wrote:
I've got more, haha.

I'll try to explain this best I can.

The 6.0.1.10600 drivers don't change the sub level output like in the rest of the drivers after it does.

All you need to do is set the Bass Filter in 6.0.1.10600 anywhere from 10-20 and don't move it again. When your speakers volume is past 20>45+ it will naturally over power the sub volume (not bass) from the laptops speakers and won't sound so one sided.

What I think they should have done in the revised drivers is just make the Bass Filter at level 15 be extrapolated to 0-100 levels.

I've tested this with so many songs at 50+ volume. It sounds great like this, don't see why there is so many problems. By design there will always be more sound coming from the left side regardless of what driver is used.

While this sounds like things already been discussed, there was something that wasn't.

The 1400a and 1200a drivers lower the sub level output substantially to try to balance out the rest of the overall dimensional audio experience.

To give you an idea of what this EXACTLY sounds like, if you install the 6.0.1.10600 drivers and turn the Bass Filter slider to 0, the sub isn't off but there is little to no bass now. It does not sound good like this with increased volume.

It's a world of difference having a subtle predominant sounding side with increased loudness from the sub than it is hearing a washed out and tinny like bass with not much better balance like in the latest releases.

Even though there is a Bass slider in the newer ones, from 0-100 it's exactly like putting the slider from "0-1" in the 6.0.1.10600's.

Besides, in the event you want what the 1400a or 1200a drivers and somewhat of an attempt to balance the speaker sound levels do, turn the Bass Filter in the 6.0.1.10600 to "0" and still keep the option to turn up your sub bass if need be in the future. That way you don't have to install another driver to do this, but it doesn't quite solve the problem!

What does?

Add everything I said about the MonoBass slider in my previous post (The MonoBass slider actually controls the sub volume not bass - only appears in 6.0.1.10600 and pre drivers) to the equation and it's the perfect combination. Now if they would only release a driver and updated Audio Deck control panel that addresses THIS.

All they need to do is give us the ability to adjust the sub volume to a sharing percentage ratio of what the speaker volume is set to. For example: IF the speakers are at 35%, make sub volume (slider) user defined %. Then with every percent increase of your speaker volume, adjust the sub volume level difference at set user defined %. And then leave the bass ouput alone! It's not rocket science. The problem lies when a bigger speaker (sub : watts) produces the same sound the smaller laptop speakers are producing at THE SAME VOLUME!

When I adjust the sub volume myself (lower) using the MonoBass slider. It sounds perfect! But when I increase the overall speaker volume, and for some screwed up reason the sub volume will automatically mirror whatever volume % the speakers are set to, leads me to believe it is not a hardware/design problem, it's software. I'm sure whoever is in charge of audio driver programming and system testing are not aware of what's actually happening.

I admit that I don't spend a great deal of time playing with the sound on my notebook and am no where near what could be called an audiophile, so the result of my testing is at best a layman's observation. I agree with you that on the 600 drivers with the volume set to >50% and Bass Filter between 10 and 20, it sounds pretty good, but because the sub volume doesn't scale, as you lower the volume from 50 to 0 the sub becomes louder than the laptop speakers and the quality suffers. I also noticed on the 600 drivers that the perceived sound coming from the laptop speakers, the right channel is louder than the left and that may be what causes the sound to seem balanced with the sub on.

The 1400a and 1200a drivers are not perfect, but the sound is more preferable to me at most levels of the volume scale without having to adjust the sub level to compensate. And careful manipulation of an equalizer can make the sound quality very good compared to almost every notebook I've had the chance to use. Then again, when I really want the audio to sound as good as possible, I've found that nothing beats a good, high quality set of headphones... Maybe a set of Sony Studios or Sennheisers.

[RecceDG]

Here's another interesting data point.

I'm on the 0600 drivers. Using external 2.1 speakers and turning on the "2.1" feature in the drivers, you get no LFE.

Specifically, when you run the Test function (the thing that chimes each speaker individually) with 2.1 disabled, the test chimes the left speaker, then the right - as expected. With 2.1 enabled, it goes left, right, "centre" (both left and right fire) tries to fire LFE (the output bars move but no sound plays) then left, then right (at reduced volume) for left surround and right surround.

What this tells me is that the driver is either not playing the LFE channel by accident, or purposely - and that the bug is upstream of the code that switches output between internal and external speakers.

Does anyone have a 2.1 external speaker setup and is on new drivers? Does that still happen?

DG