PETITION: ASUS, please allow G-SYNC support on existing G751's!

[Zombievac]

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Hello all,

Asus seems undecided on whether they're going to allow official G-SYNC support on the existing G751's purchased before now (? - I don't know the official date, they just said this month I believe).

Please "sign" this petition by posting... even if you don't think you'll need the feature, you'll want it someday, trust me.

ASUS: Even if there are licensing fees involved or whatever, if that is indeed the reason you wouldn't offer it to existing owners.. then at least let us pay the fee for it! Something... anything!

The amount of brand-loyalty to be gained from giving this feature to existing owners would build more goodwill than you're imagining. Market it! Tell the world that you were the first to give this major support release to existing owners!

Thanks!

[nab]

antoine52200 wrote:
Yes G-Tool is stable, it's not what i meant, just had a bit too much black screen flickering on fullscreen even at 50/60 fps. I had to close almost every background softwares to limit that effect.. And i don't thik g-sync was working on windowed/borderless mode like it does on "official g-sync"..

Anyway thanks for this tool and all the work you've done! impressive!! I've correctly installed it and i will keep this and try somes games too..

Black Frame are due to missing layer, nothing to do with Gsync, NVIDIA didn't know how to deal with this, so instead of dealing with this, they play with refresh rate thinking that it was the best solution when is not.

As I said, Gsync become totally useless in Windowed/Bordeless, because DWM use a extra layer that cover any tearing/input lag problem giving much more smoother experience in drawing frame under UI. NVIDIA simply kinda disable (false enable) Gsync and force the use of a back buffer.
Official Gsync will make me available laughing at NVIDIA. they didn't create or provide anything than a false marketing and unnecessary security intention to their Kernel Driver, concerning NVIDIA in general they become poor and poor in terms knowledge and mostly exploiting work from intern. Anyway that is another topic.

No need to thanks me, I try to provide a solution for every GPU (no matter NVIDIA, AMD or INTEL) so users can finally be happy with the hardware they bought from hard work money, brand should provide all necessary tools to fully exploit their products but it doesn't work like that, anyway who's care about my point in general but I hope NF Tools will provide all the help that users need.

Remember that NF Tools is for both platform Desktop/Mobile GPU.

[Gps3dx]

nab wrote:
No need to thanks me

@Nab - I SALUTE YOU !

Once for this AMAZING work ! :o:):p
Second for not giving up on what you feel is important in YOUR life - your own "golden path" that YOU dictates by your self.
Third for sharing with us your truth, and I quote you here, if you don't mind:
"I always believe on sharing and help is the best way to improve this world"
(SOURCE)

I stand amaze, (and it's not something of an ordinary for me to see nowadays), that there are still true visionaries that are "game-changing" on the one hand, and on the other they care about staying modest.

There are two ways I can think I can thank you enough:
1. Do you care being more specific on the type of info/logs/dumps you wish to have ?
Can you think about some benchmark/test apps that can be used on any PC hardware - so that you'll have systematic and SCIENTIFIC as much as possible reports ?
2. i'm a master's student for chemistry.
I hope that through my research I can aid back humanity and future generations to have a better globe to live on.
In my not-really-long spare time, I also try my best to aid users here across this sub-forum. 🙂

Lastly, 2 questions
1. Does uninstall of the current graphics drivers + NF-tools through "Uninstall or change program", will wipe any changes made by NF-tools ?
2. How can one be sure, that although NF-tools are installed - each feature works ?
Are there any "system information" tools that can log the changes with and without NF-tools being properly installed ?

Signing off,
Gps.

[nab]

Gps3dx wrote:
@Nab - although I definitely finished my days in the army and never going back -> I SALUTE YOU !

Once for this AMAZING work ! :o:):p
Second for not giving up on what you feel is important in YOUR life - your own "golden path" that YOU dictates by your self.
Third for sharing with us your truth, and I quote you here, if you don't mind:
"I always believe on sharing and help is the best way to improve this world"
(SOURCE)

I stand amaze, (and it's not something of an ordinary for me to see nowadays), that there are still true visionaries that are "game-changing" on the one hand, and on the other they care about staying modest.

There are two ways I can think I can thank you enough:
1. Do you care being more specific on the type of info/logs/dumps you wish to have ?
Can you think about some benchmark/test apps that can be used on any PC hardware - so that you'll have systematic and SCIENTIFIC as much as possible reports ?
2. i'm a master's student for chemistry.
I hope that through my research I can aid back humanity and future generations to have a better globe to live on.
In my not-really-long spare time, I also try my best to aid users here across this sub-forum. 🙂

Lastly, 2 questions
1. Does uninstall of the current graphics drivers + NF-tools through "Uninstall or change program", will wipe any changes made by NF-tools ?
2. How can one be sure, that although NF-tools are installed - each feature works ?
Are there any "system information" tools that can log the changes with and without NF-tools being properly installed ?

Signing off,
Gps.

Just because a lot of you want me to answer here, despite I was ban from this forum in the past under the name you know.
Anyway, past is the past, let's move forward.

To be honest, internet or real life, doesn't matter, I stay myself, the only way to be accepted for who I'm. For sure not everybody can like me or my work and it is better like that, I will be surprise to see nobody hate me ;), they have the right do be like that.

For sure I won't give up easily (only if I know their is more important stuff that come first), if people didn't hear anything from me since while, it is because I want to take some distance to be able to focus in a better way, this way I can share more.

Let's stop talk about me but mostly focus on NF Tools that hopefully will help lot of you.
To answer to you.

Right now I know the Asus for working a lot on it in the past, I know how to deal with NVIDIA GPUs in general, the main problem remain the engine on different games that are problematic, even they share the same engine, have different coding integration, so depending the game, NF Tools can offer good performance/general use, I was more focusing on complex scene like on Witcher 3/Batman Arkham Knight/Just cause 3/Crysis 3/Ryse andalso computing (physX/cuda), let's not forget Cinema 4D/Maya/Foundry/Blender (not all the improvement is available).

What would help ?
1 - General use, that include video editor/video player/3D editor/Games (for example the games I don't have myself, well for sure almost all the war game like COD/Battlefield and co, I don't really like that type of games, sport games like FIFA) I mean say simply the game you tested, how NF Tools is running for you.

For example : Launch a game without NF Tools (you can simply remove under program/features, it will remove everything and put back the default process of the Kernel Driver. So launch a game, check which part is problematic, write on a paper for example each game you tested without NF Tools, after relaunch each games with NF Tools and write on a paper if most of your problem as been resolve, if everything is ok let me know, if not let me know too, I will take a deeper look on the problem.

The problem of 3Dmark, Passmark and co is that result are random or generally linear, so it can become irrevelant, but you can try computing benchmark like compubench https://compubench.com or for example 3D benchmark like cinema 4D, etc...

2- I don't mind answering here in this forum but for that it would be better to make a new thread and stick this one but I'm not Asus, neither a moderator and not sure they would accept that anyway.

3- If you want to install new NVIDIA drivers, you need to first remove NF Tools from program and features and after remove NVIDIA drivers, because if you only remove NVIDIA Drivers, you can make a conflict after installing new drivers on top of NF Tools, I really recommend first to remove NF Tools and after remove NVIDIA drivers and install new NVIDIA Drivers -> Install NF Tools last.

4-You can be sure that NF tools is installed by simply checking under program and features, if you see the NF Tools Beta 3.0 for example on the list, that mean the install was without problem, i try to make it as much stable as possible so he won't conflict anything.
The only information I provide during installation is after you selected INTEL, NVIDIA or AMD, you see a list of the features and process that will be turn on.
Features/Function/Process in low-level (mostly Kernel-Driver and Microsoft Graphic SubSystem)

Thank you

[Sanctrum]

So nab, don't know why or how my post at your site regarding the outcome of AMD mobility radeon HD5060 testing with your tool... has been deleted somehow yesterday, so I will post it again but here:
Windows 7 PRO 64bit SP1, MSI GE600 with AMD Mobility Radeon HD5060 with Crimson Edition 16.1 Beta (the last version of drivers for HD5xxx series). Installation of NF tools - sucess, reboot -> no hungs, no bluescreens... however the result/impact is ZERO. No FPS gain, still tearing, still stuttering. Tested with COD4 (25-85 FPS at max settings), Symulator Autobusu by Techland (niche game - avg 45 FPS at max settings) - no more games there as this is now the low spec. laptop. However later maybe I will try Crysis3 there, just to see if the tearing is gone with vsync off like it is gone at mine Asus G751JY and is gone at the Witcher3.
Also at my post I have asked you to provide some info, what actually is installed with your tools? Some files (where), or just some registry tweaks? Thank you.

Also I really do not know how to install your NF tools at MSI GE600... as in fact this is "Optimus" like laptop with two GPUs - Intel and AMD... However it is SET at BIOS to use only AMD GPU... so Windows is even not showing any drivers for Intel as AMD/MSI long time ago stopped to support double GPU configurations and automatic switching between them for that unit...

P.S. If you are really interested in testings you should provide standardized reqirements for it (as suggested few times to you - here and at your blog)... not just please send me your results... without saying about what, how and at what form and still complaining that you do not wan't this or that or asking for more details you did not sepcified in the first place... Your approch for testing is IMHO pointless - just to make PR only?

BTW it is still amazing job you are doing but your approach for testing is very surprising to me.

[nab]

Sanctrum wrote:
So nab, don't know why or how my post at your site regarding the outcome of AMD mobility radeon HD5060 testing with your tool... has been deleted somehow yesterday, so I will post it again but here:
Windows 7 PRO 64bit SP1, MSI GE600 with AMD Mobility Radeon HD5060 with Crimson Edition 16.1 Beta (the last version of drivers for HD5xxx series). Installation of NF tools - sucess, reboot -> no hungs, no bluescreens... however the result/impact is ZERO. No FPS gain, still tearing, still stuttering. Tested with COD4 (25-85 FPS at max settings), Symulator Autobusu by Techland (niche game - avg 45 FPS at max settings) - no more games there as this is now the low spec. laptop. However later maybe I will try Crysis3 there, just to see if the tearing is gone with vsync off like it is gone at mine Asus G751JY and is gone at the Witcher3.
Also at my post I have asked you to provide some info, what actually is installed with your tools? Some files (where), or just some registry tweaks? Thank you.

Also I really do not know how to install your NF tools at MSI GE600... as in fact this is "Optimus" like laptop with two GPUs - Intel and AMD... However it is SET at BIOS to use only AMD GPU... so Windows is even not showing any drivers for Intel as AMD/MSI long time ago stopped to support double GPU configurations and automatic switching between them for that unit...

P.S. If you are really interested in testings you should provide standardized reqirements for it (as suggested few times to you - here and at your blog)... not just please send me your results... without saying about what, how and at what form and still complaining that you do not wan't this or that or asking for more details you did not sepcified in the first place... Your approch for testing is IMHO pointless - just to make PR only?

BTW it is still amazing job you are doing but your approach for testing is very surprising to me.

1- I didn't see your post at all, I already provide info, if you take time to read because apparently you only fly over my words, so I won't repeat again, take time to read the entire blog, while I take time to do the hard work, thank you, I told you I won't answer anymore to you if ask the same questions too often and have the answer on the blog, everything is there, I already said it is mostly Kernel Driver control and Microsoft Graphic Subsystem. Their is not file installed (NF Tools use own routine that apply directly to the Kernel Driver and Microsoft Graphic Subsystem), mostly low-level permissions.
2- What about you do like Vindor on the blog, it has a Enduro based platform (AMD/INTEL) and had no problem to reproduce like the optimus one but instead of doing for NVIDIA, you do for AMD, what I see from you is that you have been complaining since the beginning, I answer everytime to you and each time you try to go against my answer, so this is definitely my last answer, even more when I use my free time on this and try to minimize unnecessary answer that won't help anyone, sorry if you dont like that but I rather prefer keep focus on the tool itself to help everyone than focus on a repeated questions that the answer is right in the front of you.

I have my own approach, I've been working with lot of GPU in the past (AMD, INTEL, NVIDIA, 3DFX, POWERVR, etc), I'm not a company, I don't provide standard requirement, I tell you that NF Tools was mainly made to fix issues on general use and games, I said is not perfect and your general use/gaming and how you feel and which problem your face is only think I need, I don't need you to use any benchmark (are you spending your time only on benchmark ?), I already explain that Benchmark bring mostly random and linear results based only on few minutes of testing and not really under complex activity that include Gameplay, IA, hours of computing, etc... the results from benchmark annoying me because it doesn't represent anything at all, NF Tools is definitely not for benchmark users but general use/gaming (to resolve most of common issues and bring a better experience)

So if my approach is pointless, don't use NF Tools, simple as that, I don't force anyone, I already said that you are free to try, no one put you a knife in your back and tell you that you are forced to use, I have the right to work on my way with this work, is my work and I take lot of time for it, I don't need anyone to give me a lesson on the approach I have on this.

Don't say is amazing job, you really don't think that and I don't think that my job at the moment is amazing, still need more work, I will try my best tto provide a good tool, it is not perfect and won't be perfect, I'm studying each problem with different approach than was you use to see, because this personal approach help me to resolve lot of problem, so let me do my work and take your time to calm and chill. Thank you

P.S : Not sure that you i've been here with me fighting for the right against NVIDIA etc... so don't judge my approach if you don't know what exactly is going on here.

P.S : I remind you that AMD support is partial at the moment and Intel doesn't have everything yet. I'm working on it and I will quote you Vindor in case of the INTEL/AMD based platform issue. I repeat, I'm working on it

To the AMD notebook. My favourite setting for games is to turn off V-Sync ingame and the AMD driver, but to turn it on in the Intel-driver controlpanel. Unfortunately some games still tear, but i fixed this as i found out to set the framelimit to 59 helps. I think the best way to use V-Sync in a game on a Enduro/Optimus system is to let it make the Intel GPU, cause IT is connected to the monitor, never the AMD/NVIDIA GPU. Thats why such systems theoretically work without the AMD/NVIDIA GPU – but never with a broken or missing or whatever Intel GPU. And NF Tools optimizes the Intel GPU and this leads apparently to a ingame feeling like a G-Sync/Freesync feeling. Ok, the Intel GPU renders nothing, but it “feeds” the monitor with the frames rendered by the AMD GPU, and this process seems to be optimized by NF Tools.

[Sanctrum]

nab wrote:
1- I didn't see your post at all, I already provide info, if you take time to read because apparently you only fly over my words, so I won't repeat again, take time to read the entire blog, while I take time to do the hard work, thank you, I told you I won't answer anymore to you if ask the same questions too often and have the answer on the blog, everything is there, I already said it is mostly Kernel Driver control and Microsoft Graphic Subsystem. Their is not file installed (NF Tools use own routine that apply directly to the Kernel Driver and Microsoft Graphic Subsystem), mostly low-level permissions.
2- What about you do like Vindor on the blog, it has a Enduro based platform (AMD/INTEL) and had no problem to reproduce like the optimus one but instead of doing for NVIDIA, you do for AMD, what I see from you is that you have been complaining since the beginning, I answer everytime to you and each time you try to go against my answer, so this is definitely my last answer, even more when I use my free time on this and try to minimize unnecessary answer that won't help anyone, sorry if you dont like that but I rather prefer keep focus on the tool itself to help everyone than focus on a repeated questions that the answer is right in the front of you.

I have my own approach, I've been working with lot of GPU in the past (AMD, INTEL, NVIDIA, 3DFX, POWERVR, etc), I'm not a company, I don't provide standard requirement, I tell you that NF Tools was mainly made to fix issues on general use and games, I said is not perfect and your general use/gaming and how you feel and which problem your face is only think I need, I don't need you to use any benchmark (are you spending your time only on benchmark ?), I already explain that Benchmark bring mostly random and linear results based only on few minutes of testing and not really under complex activity that include Gameplay, IA, hours of computing, etc... the results from benchmark annoying me because it doesn't represent anything at all, NF Tools is definitely not for benchmark users but general use/gaming (to resolve most of common issues and bring a better experience)

So if my approach is pointless, don't use NF Tools, simple as that, I don't force anyone, I already said that you are free to try, no one put you a knife in your back and tell you that you are forced to use, I have the right to work on my way with this work, is my work and I take lot of time for it, I don't need anyone to give me a lesson on the approach I have on this.

Don't say is amazing job, you really don't think that and I don't think that my job at the moment is amazing, still need more work, I will try my best tto provide a good tool, it is not perfect and won't be perfect, I'm studying each problem with different approach than was you use to see, because this personal approach help me to resolve lot of problem, so let me do my work and take your time to calm and chill. Thank you

P.S : Not sure that you i've been here with me fighting for the right against NVIDIA etc... so don't judge my approach if you don't know what exactly is going on here.

P.S : I remind you that AMD support is partial at the moment and Intel doesn't have everything yet. I'm working on it and I will quote you Vindor in case of the INTEL/AMD based platform issue. I repeat, I'm working on it

Nab, I am not attacking you. I love your g-tools, I love your NF-tools. I think that you have the problem with the bad feedback from the people (nothing is black nor white!) . You are overreacting to everything negative I write as you are understanding that as the attack? OMG, it’s childish. If I write some feedback it is for all to know (= it is not the personal attack on you). If you think I expect your tool or any other piece of software to be ideal - again quite naive assumption)... From now on I will write only positives regarding NF-tools as apparently you are NOT interested in the real testing but all PR 🙂 Also nobody requires you to write your life’s history here. The longer you keep unswerving this way the longer I think that you are actually quite young person with lack of experience with human cooperation and feedbacks they give you. You, yourself asked people for testing… ok. Positive, positive… so do not complain if the results are negative or if people are simply asking what to test (but more in details than It’s grate general improvement - give some metrics not subjective feelings – without metrics some results might be just PLACEBO – temporary subjective feeling of the user, I also know that it is quite difficult to give us reasonable metrics to test... but it is you who had asked us for help with the tests, so...? However I also gave you possitive feedback several times regarding the specific games at G751JY: Crysis3, the Witcher3... and nothing has changed since that time. Still positive feedback.

I will no go further with that conversation. Your tools, your way to test – but please do not call it "please help me with the tests" – call it PR.

[silverjoel07]

sanctrum wrote:
nab, i am not attacking you. I love your g-tools, i love your nf-tools. I think that you have the problem with the bad feedback from the people (nothing is black nor white!) . You are overreacting to everything negative i write as you are understanding that as the attack? Omg, it’s childish. If i write some feedback it is for all to know (= it is not the personal attack on you). If you think i expect your tool or any other piece of software to be ideal - again quite naive assumption)... From now on i will write only positives regarding nf-tools as apparently you are not interested in the real testing but all pr 🙂 also nobody requires you to write your life’s history here. The longer you keep unswerving this way the longer i think that you are actually quite young person with lack of experience with human cooperation and feedbacks they give you. You, yourself asked people for testing… ok. Positive, positive… so do not complain if the results are negative or if people are simply asking what to test (but more in details than it’s grate general improvement - give some metrics not subjective feelings – without metrics t some results might be just placebo – temporary subjective feeling)!

I will no go further with that conversation. Your tools, your way to test – but please do not call it the tests – call it pr.

are you crazy man...??
It seems you have to.
Let persons who wants to make things better for us, to do what persons like you do not, please.

[clockworksatan]

I followed the instructions to install Nab's tool last night and WOW! I'm playing 'The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt' right now and the only time I saw any framerate drops were in areas that I was surrounded by trees - and these drops are much less noticeable now. Very impressed!

[jiol]

nab wrote:
You should clearly see the difference in general use related to 2D/3D task, including UI animations, etc...
Check under program installed, you should see NF Tools, if you see NF Tools, all is good.
Play your games, do you homework etc...like usually, you would see a performance improvement up to 50/60% depending what you do. It is not necessary related to Frame gain but mostly related to how to deal with 3D surface/object, engine, etc... in a better way to make the experience more smooth.

well nab you're right, it works great, for now all right, thank you, everything is much more soft and smooth

[warryabel]

nab wrote:
Don't use this tool with old one, I already explain many time the reason why you shouldn't use both.
As I said, it provide more than the old tool.
Forget G-tools please, thank you.

Where you explain it many times? Not in this forum... more info about nftools please? must vsync set on or off or...?