Help choosing new gaming laptop

[Simao]

Hi.

Im thinking in buy a new gaming laptop.
I like Asus, because was my first gaming laptop.
Im divided between Asus G752VS and the MSI GT73VR 6RE, both with GTX 1070 and I7 6820Hk.
I have read here and in another places reviews telling that the G752VS OC edition have overheat problems, hight temps, and hardware problems like the keyboard.
Are this problems resolved?

Some people here said that GT73VR is better. What do you think?

These are the specs of both models

Asus G752VS

I7 6820Hk
GTX 1070
32Gb ram
1Tb with 512Gb SSd (maybe in raid 0, according asus oficial web site of my country)
17"3 full hd screen, 120Hz, around 74% rgb color (again, according asus oficial web site of my country)
With the laptop came one backpack, asus cerburus headset, asus sica mouse
Price: 2300€

MSI GT73VR 6RE

I7 6820Hk
GTX 1070
16Gb ram
1Tb with 256Gb M2 (i dont know what is M2)
17"3 full hd screen, 120Hz, around 97% rgb color
Price: 2370€

Thanks to all

[Armesis]

Truly i say to you, please do not buy an ASUS ROG laptop. Where do i begin? My G752VY is the most unreliable laptop/pc ive ever owned/built since the 1990s.

There is the famous, constant in game stuttering. Most games suffer them though not all. There is NO solution for this and many people have returned their laptops because of this, please look it up. Ive had my g752vy for about 5 months now and already the keyboard and screen have been replaced due to failure (also very common, this laptop is made in China), mind you, i treat this laptop very well, and it has almost never been moved since it was new. At the ASUS repair center there was a long queue of people sending in their laptops and smart phones, not a good sign. Ive had 2 Toshiba laptops before this and for the past 6 years, absolutely nothing has gone wrong with them, although theyve traveled with me all over the world and have been banged around ALOT (Airline crew).

Even 5 months down the road, i am still trying to find a solution, with no success. I would have returned it for my money back, months ago ,but in Malaysia where i am, there are no such things as refunds, returns, or generally consumer rights.

Besides the poor hardware quality fitted on these laptops, here are a few links showing how widespread the stuttering is -

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?56518-G751-Severe-Frame-Stuttering-Intermittently-on-Some-...
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?58352-G751JY-DH73-frequent-regular-micro-stutter
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?58736-TWO-G751-s-same-problem-scared-of-ROG
http://www.overclock.net/t/1608930/asus-rog-strix-gtx-1070-low-fps-and-stutter
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1908260-Gaming-Notebook-Asus-ROG-GL771JW-T7098H-Severe-Stutterin...
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89283-playing-almost-any-game-is-unbareable-please-read
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89273-Asus-G752VY-gaming-experience-not-smooth
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89027-g751-hanging-issues-repair-shop-issues
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89184-Asus-G752VY-Q72SX-CB-lag-at-60-70-fps
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?89066-G752VS-Black-and-Pink-Screen-on-startup
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?87605-I-need-advice-how-to-proceed-for-G751-JY-keyboard-an...

Notice on all these ROG threads, no one can seem to help them?

These are only a few problems, there is light bleed on the screen, the also famous ROG popping sounds from the speakers, and just too many other issues i dont have the strength to type about. My advice, build your own gaming rig if you really dont need a laptop. If you do need a gaming laptop, i suggest Alienware or MSI instead, the only reason so many people buy ROG laptops is that its the cheapest option. I made that mistake and i regret it everyday. (Where i am, the ASUS ROG is much cheaper than MSI or Alienware)

Not all games suffer from the stutter, but most do. It really is a game breaker. Seriously, please do not make the same mistake as i did.

[Buggsy]

I've had my ROG G752VS for about 3 months now and I've been very happy with my gaming experience. My biggest complaint(s) are all based around Asus support. In summery, I have higher expectation for support on a laptop that I spent $2300 USD for. Dell and HP have much better support, even if its hard for me to understand their accents.

G752VS
I7 6700HQ
16GB RAM
GTX 1070
512 GB NVMe SSD
1 TB SATA HD

Looking at your two options, I *still* like the Asus over the MSI for the value of the hardware and, personally, I liked the appearance of the Asus more too. I also have to say though, that because of the support issues, I do not know if I will buy another Asus laptop next time.

As a foot note, do not go by the specs on either MSI or Asus's websites. I stress this because the laptops you buy can vary greatly depending on where you buy them. For example, my laptop *could* have a 120 Hz screen, but the place I bought it from was selling them with 75 Hz screens. That didn't bother me, but it might bother you. The place that you buy either laptop from is the place you should get your specs from.

And as if you needed more information, I bought this laptop for my brother in law. He loves it. I only used it for a day before I gave it to him, but I liked it a lot to. It's about half the weight of either laptop you are looking at. The biggest problem I had with it was that I hate the track pad with the integrated buttons. Give Gigabyte a look too.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834233175

[MaxG73jh]

Armesis -

What region did you buy yours from? Did you buy it online or locally?

It honestly seems like the quality greatly differs on ROG laptops depending on the region. That should be pure nonsense since they are all manufactured the same way, same parts, same factory (I assume), it's hard to imagine so many are fine with no issues and some come out as Lemons if they are all made under identical standards. That's a shame you can't return it.... does that mean you also effectively have zero warranty even when buying brand new?

[Armesis]

MaxG73jh wrote:
Armesis -

What region did you buy yours from? Did you buy it online or locally?

It honestly seems like the quality greatly differs on ROG laptops depending on the region. That should be pure nonsense since they are all manufactured the same way, same parts, same factory (I assume), it's hard to imagine so many are fine with no issues and some come out as Lemons if they are all made under identical standards. That's a shame you can't return it.... does that mean you also effectively have zero warranty even when buying brand new?

Im in Malaysia, bought locally for about USD2100. The back of the laptop says 'Made in China'. ASUS is Taiwanese, which is very close by. It came with a 2 years warranty, but since there are no consumer rights here, refunds are not possible. So far the screen and keyboard have been replaced, its actually the first time ever ive had to go to a computer service center since ive owned computers from the 1990s.

Sorry for the original, long rant. But that just shows how much suffering this laptop has brought me. There is not much stuttering on games like BF4 (still abit though) or SW Battlefront, but for some others it can be game breaking. Its hard to take advice from others because sometimes we need to experience things first hand, but i sincerely hope you buy something else instead, just look it up online. This problem is very widespread, i really do envy those who do not have this stuttering problem. Everyday i am still looking for a solution.

Edit - Ive just had a thought, to those who dont experience the stuttering, do you guys play alot of games on your laptop? It doesnt seem to be very prevalent on A title games like the BF series, Battlefront, etc. I have about 310 games on Steam/Origin combined so i do play a large variety of different games. For most of them, the stutter is there.

[Buggsy]

Armesis wrote:
Edit - Ive just had a thought, to those who dont experience the stuttering, do you guys play alot of games on your laptop? It doesnt seem to be very prevalent on A title games like the BF series, Battlefront, etc. I have about 310 games on Steam/Origin combined so i do play a large variety of different games. For most of them, the stutter is there.

So far, these are the games I've played. None have had stuttering issues:
Age of Emipers II: HD Edition
Cities Skylines
FTL
Watch_Dogs
Batman: Arkham Knight (played the most of all games)


My System:
G752VS
I7 6700HQ
16GB RAM
GTX 1070
512 GB NVMe SSD
1 TB SATA HD

[Rentard]

Armesis wrote:
Truly i say to you, please do not buy an ASUS ROG laptop. Where do i begin? My G752VY is the most unreliable laptop/pc ive ever owned/built since the 1990s.

I have to second this. Mine has been horrendous from the start, and I think it needs an RMA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/5hr4by/asus_more_like_assus_rog_and_intel_suck/

Next time I buy a laptop it will be something easier to service yourself like Clevo/Sager, maybe Lenovo since their support is better, maybe a business-class HP (shame they only use quadro's).

The only thing good about ASUS is the quiet fan and efficient cooling. Not that useful when your product is chock full of issues!

PS: I can confirm the stuttering issue. Despite the good cooling, it's still not enough for a 45w cpu and a 1060 which is essentially the desktop part. The cpu hits 100 and throttles, and the GPU seems to throttle around 76C (so that it stays around 76C). Is very annoying to die in Titanfall 2 with a guy in your crosshairs just because the throttling kicked in at a retarded time in a retarded way.

[MaxG73jh]

I already gave my opinion just based off the comparison and review/testing done on them, the MSI looks better between the two and I always use ROG because it's well..... almost always better. You will be fine picking either one but where are these heating issues everyone is talking about coming from?


I'm wondering how in god's name you guys are getting up to 100 degrees C and complaining about throttling? You should be using GPUTweak every time you play ANY game with the fan set to full and if you aren't, well idk what to say. There is no way you are hitting 100C unless you are overclocking far past recommended specs for LONG periods with fans on low. What conditions are you putting it under to reach this heat/throttling state?

OP - You're worried about cooling on the ASUS? The ASUS has the best cooling by far.

[Armesis]

I have never overclocked any of my machines. The laptop stutters even when i play games like Rome Total War, Oblivion, Running with Rifles, etc. Low demand games from the 2000s. If this $2100 laptop cannot handle it without overheating and stuttering, something is very wrong, or the '3D cooling' doesnt actually work. My 5 year old Toshiba satellite laptop can run games fine without stuttering like this. Come to think of it, this is the first time ive ever experienced such stuttering on a laptop/pc before. Also, before owning this laptop, ive have NEVER been to a laptop/pc service center. It really is an annoying adventure, and i will stand by my opinion that these are sub quality laptops.

[Rentard]

MaxG73jh wrote:
I'm wondering how in god's name you guys are getting up to 100 degrees C and complaining about throttling? You should be using GPUTweak every time you play ANY game with the fan set to full and if you aren't, well idk what to say. There is no way you are hitting 100C unless you are overclocking far past recommended specs for LONG periods with fans on low. What conditions are you putting it under to reach this heat/throttling state?

I don't overclock, and if someone tried to overclock my stuff, I'd ban them from my house entirely. Stability is a must, and ECC is a must.

When left alone, the cpu hits ~96c in prime95. Games like Titanfall 2 should not be running the cpu hotter than prime95...
When I limit the speed of the cpu to 2.3ghz, the temp is 80c max and the throttling isn't as noticable or often (again, the gpu seems to throttle itself to not pass 76c).

I think this is a two prong problem: asus does not seat the cpu heatsink properly (anyone repasting theirs has said you need to buy a copper shim or it won't contact) and insufficient cooling when both parts are fully utilized.

Even so, asus cooling does seem to be very efficient and quiet, but it's still not enough. I can tolerate that crap cause it's a laptop after all and I also have a much better desktop, but ASUS seems to have a lot of other issues and you should not need to fully disassemble to pull/replace battery, ram, clean the fans, etc. I HATE machines that act like they have a ghost haunting it.