GTX 765M GPU/driver "throttling"

[YesNoYes-]

Just a few notes out of the way- Yes, I tried both the latest ASUS drivers and latest international NVIDIA betas. Yes, I have set power management in NVIDIA control panel to "performance". And yes, I have tried complete restoration of laptop to ASUS factory settings.

I have a problem that once the GPU reachs 65-66C there's a sudden drop of around -20fps while gaming.
I have overclocked (135/800/no voltage change) and tried switching apps between EVGA, ASUS tweak, MSI afterburner etc. and get the same result- once the GPU reaches 65C there's a sudden drop in fps and GPU temp goes down following that. Using monitor tools I can't see any change in MHz or other values except FPS and what's called "fb usage %" (in MSI afterburner) at moment of fps drop. This leads me to believe ASUS (from bios) or NVIDIA (from drivers) set the GPU to "throttle" (it's not really considered throttling to my understanding). I'm positive that even not overclocked once I'll reach 65C the fps will drop from whatever it was to that point. Overclocking just makes it reach 65C faster.
65C is a stupid temp to "throttle" and completely too low and so I'd be happy to know if:
a) Any other people experience this effect?
b) How can I stop this from happening?

Thanks.

[hmscott]

Sandman007 wrote:
hmscott you are the one who is making up random ****. Dreamonic never said he is realeasing anything. He is simply helping one individual. You say you are a "Hardware and software optimization expert." You must be a pretty ****ty one at that. Because anyone in the computer field knows that **** requires testing numnuts. That is what Dreamonic is doing. He is testing and troubleshooting. NOT releasing. Oh and just so its clear to you, Dreamomic is not just handing Khaan vBIOS's to try out. He is helping Khaan one on one with this ****. Not just randomly handing him vBIOS's. He does this with every person he has helped including me. He has the specific person he is helping to dump their specific stock vBIOS off of their system. So he isn't just handing out one modded vBIOS for everybody.

If you are happy letting Dreamonic play with your laptop, that is fine. Why is the discussion coming on to the public boards if it is one on one?

Why am I responding to a thread about unexpected video performance throttling with no mention of a vbios mod in play? kingkaan said OC and unlocked slider, not vbios flash.

And why is kingkaan posting in a thread started by YesNoYes who appears to be posting about the problem I responded to - a stock video card issue with overclocking?

The vbios glitches should be a separate thread, not interspersed with stock video card questions like YesNoYes - my original first post answer was correct for him - and he started the thread.

I responded to the responses to my first valid post. I didn't come gunning for the vbios modders - I usually don't post in those threads as I am not interested in participating.

This time the vbios modders posted in a normal OEM video card thread, and went postal on my response to the original thread starter 🙂

Perhaps you guys can take the vbios issues private, or to another thread and not poach someone's thread?

Sorry YesNoYes, please check out my original post, and ignore the rest, I hope it helps.

[Sandman007]

hmscott wrote:
Pretty simple really. If it doesn't do what it is supposed to do, it isn't ready for release.

When the result is a reliable result that doesn't throttle when put to it's intended use, then it is ready for release, until then it is untested.

If Dreamonic says that he gets 100% speed up, 60 fps after vbios flashing on a 670 vs 30fps before, it is irrelevant and misleading - and doesn't indicate potential performance on a G750 765m, 770m, or a 785m - not even close in comparison - until he does it.

Until then it leads gullible people into believing they can achieve the same result when they hear of the 670 performance boost - that is why he says it - to encourage people to load his incomplete untested vbios flash onto their laptops - and they are taking the financial risk - it will be their loss if something goes wrong, not his.

If Dreamonic wants to buy a G750 and take all the risk of developing a successful vbios for the G750 765m, 770m, or 785m, then let him do it himself, like he did for his 670. That would be cool, I would respect that.

Otherwise, he is playing with other peoples money, and letting them take the risks.

Thanks for stating your first 2 lines. We really needed that cleared up. We would be lost without you. Thank you for your contribution. I now know the definition of "untested".

Also thanks for letting us know who is responsible for messingup their laptop. We didn't know that either. Of course its not the modders fault retard. Its the flasher's fault because he is agreeing to do it (whether are not he knows the risks or not). And if he doesn't know the risks than again that is his fault. He should have educated himself. Oh there's that word again.

[hmscott]

Sandman007 wrote:
Thanks for stating your first 2 lines. We really needed that cleared up. We would be lost without you. Thank you for your contribution. I now know the definition of "untested".

Also thanks for letting us know who is responsible for messingup their laptop. We didn't know that either. Of course its not the modders fault retard. Its the flasher's fault because he is agreeing to do it (whether are not he knows the risks or not). And if he doesn't know the risks than again that is his fault. He should have educated himself. Oh there's that word again.

No, it is the modders fault. He is responsible for releasing something that he encourages others to install. He is responsible. The flasher is the victim when it all goes wrong. You are dreaming if you think you aren't responsible for screwing up someones laptop -that it is their fault for doing it to themselves.

See, that is why I say it isn't worth doing this, as the people that release this stuff don't feel responsible, they say that the flasher is the one taking the responsibility, and it is their fault when it goes bad.

They won't take responsibility for their work, and blame you when it goes wrong, do you really want help from such a person?

[Sandman007]

hmscott wrote:
No, it is the modders fault. He is responsible for releasing something that he encourages others to install. He is responsible. The flasher is the victim when it all goes wrong. You are dreaming if you think you aren't responsible for screwing up someones laptop -that it is their fault for doing it to themselves.

See, that is why I say it isn't worth doing this, as the people that release this stuff don't feel responsible, they say that the flasher is the one taking the responsibility, and it is their fault when it goes bad.

They won't take responsibility for their work, and blame you when it goes wrong, do you really want help from such a person?

You are an idiot if you truely believe that. Its the same concept with custom ROMs with cell phones. A creator of a custom ROM like Cyanogenmod release these custom ROMs for the public to use. If you brick your phone flashing one of their ROM;s its not their fault. Its your fault only. If you go to a custom ROM developer and say that they bricked your phone they will laugh at you. It doesn't matter if its tested or not. That is completely irrelevant.

[hmscott]

Sandman007 wrote:
You are an idiot if you truely believe that. Its the same concept with custom ROMs with cell phones. A creator of a custom ROM like Cyanogenmod release these custom ROMs for the public to use. If you brick your phone flashing one of their ROM;s its not their fault. Its your fault only. If you go to a custom ROM developer and say that they bricked your phone they will laugh at you. It doesn't matter if its tested or not. That is completely irrelevant.

Just cause you are frustrated with something someone says, it doesn't make them an idiot, and name calling is a sign that perhaps you need to calm down in between posts. 🙂

That is a good example, doing a custom Phone ROM - and in that case it is much less dangerous, as the phone manufacturer uses the Android OS development toolkit to flash ROMS too, so you both are using the same mechanism to put on new software - and the recovery options are known - and there are lots of people supporting environments built around those low level tools to make it easier to manage multiple ROM's and recovery. And, lots of public forums dedicated to supporting those specific tasks - like flashing ROM's - rooting - etc.

And, the phone is replaceable by driving down to the local store and either buy another one, or get help re-flashing to stock - even Sony will help you do that for their phones in their stores.

It is cool watching technology work it's way into the culture and be absorbed by people you would never expect to respond to it, or company's that would never before have helped customers re-flash/re-purpose their products.

But, if you brick your laptop you likely need to return it to the manufacturer, and they can rightly void your warranty. Which means you either pay a lot to get it fixed, or you don't get it fixed and have to purchase a new laptop - which is a lot more expensive than a phone.

Thanks for continuing to illustrate the picture I was trying to paint of the dangers of flashing the vbios by bringing in motherboard BIOS's and now Phone ROM's.

Everyone knows someone that bricked a phone, or bricked a motherboard, but for most people it is rare to know someone that bricked their video card...

[Sandman007]

Ok first off. You are wrong about carriers helping customers reflash stock on their phones. First off anyoine that knows how to flash a custom ROM on their phone knows how to flash a stock ROM back on their phone using a utility like RSD Lite or Odin. Second no carrier is going to help you if you soft brickor hard brick your phone by flashing a custom recovery liek TWRP or a custom ROM/kernel. They are not gonna say "Oh yea come right on down! We willcompletely ignore the fact that modify the software on your device viods our warranty. We wil ljust fix for you.

That will never happen. They will tell you to **** off. Also you are wrong about bricking phones being common. Its very rare to see a bricked phone. Soft bricks are very common. They can be any where from being stuck in a bootloop which is fixed bya data wipe or a ROM reflash. Or a soft brick could require using Odin to reflash stock OEM firmware. But a full brick (very rare) is also recoverable. As long as you have the tools. for example a corrupt bootloader or kernel can result a full on brick or paper weight and can still be recovered with tools on the internet released to the public. Phone specific and tehy are not avalable for every device but they are out there

You should really stop posting about stuff you know nothing about. I'm done here

[hmscott]

Dreamonic wrote:
Let me address something now so you can understand it better hmscott.

I took a 670MX and doubled the performance of it via flashing my modded vBIOS, 30fps is 60fps now. That's gain for you!

At what cost? Do you understand Hex? Do you understand the tools used? Do you have any experience in programming?

If not, then I can understand why you feel it's 'risky' and dumb thing to do.

I've given everyone I helped 100% guarantee since I work with each individual during the whole process. I make that effort and answer any questions they have so that they don't go through that likely chance of 'bricking' it themselves.

Don't talk down to me hmscott. This isn't your level of expertise like it is mine.


I understand your concern for the other members, in which I appreciate that, but don't accuse ME or categorize me like I am just the same as everyone else you may have read doing it.


If you have such a problem with posts like this, my advice would be to talk to the admin or mod to prohibit such overclocking postings so that you can feel 'safer' in your world of overclocking due to the soft limitations.

It doesn't change the fact that people brick their laptops just updating their BIOS, or saving changes in the BIOS.. what of them hmscott?

Exactly.

I'm done.

Exactly, people brick their laptops/motherboards even flashing their motherboard bios. And, that is an approved supported well understood procedure that even with all the effort by 100's of engineers over many years still messes up from time to time. Doing a vbios flash is 100's of times more dangerous than flashing your motherboard BIOS.

I have literally flashed thousands of BIOS's for motherboards, video cards, disk controllers, SAN switches, raid controllers, network devices of all types, and in all that time it has only messed up 3 times. 1 motherboard, 1 video card, and 1 router.

All those flashes were supported by the manufacturer, all replaced by the manufacturer, and all done without a mistake on my part - the process simply failed. A supported useful risk was taken to fix / improve the performance of a device for me or for a client.

Why take the risk with a $1k, $2K, $3k laptop, with a custom built video card, that only the manufacturer can service and replace - you can't go down to Frys / Microcenter / etc to get a replacement. And, if you could it wouldn't be cheap.

You say you got double the frame rate with your OC on the 670. How much are you promising for the G750JW/JX? 20%?

Is it really worth a few FPS to take the risk of flashing your laptop to a non-standard BIOS and vbios? Really?

Quoting in the same breath that you got 100% speed up (doubling of FPS) on another card/laptop is misleading and unfair - it catches the attention of those that hope they can also double the performance of their graphics cards for nothing - when you and I know that is impossible.

How are you going to get support for the laptop should something else go wrong? Are you going to flash back the system BIOS and vbios to stock so you can send it in for service? And, then flash it back when you get it back from service? Taking a risk of messing up every time you flash?

"If you have such a problem with posts like this, my advice would be to talk to the admin or mod to prohibit such overclocking postings so that you can feel 'safer' in your world of overclocking due to the soft limitations."

I am adding commentary to counter your efforts at convincing people this is a safe and worthwhile endeavor - as I know it isn't. You are free to post your efforts and your findings. As am I.

You are supposed to be experienced enough to know to not post claims of extraordinary results from another platform as an indicator of potential results on this platform. And you should know better than to post results and efforts that are experimental and *not working* as if they are and will eventually work - until they actually do.

If you did that, I wouldn't have anything contrary to say. 🙂

[kingkaan]

All I know is you got that i know it the best attitude if u try to prove me wrong i will bring up random **** i did and confuse the **** out of you make u think i know some **** and i know it better. EGO HAS YOU hmscott. Your ego is so fat when you walked by the tv i missed a whole episode of spartacus. you know people like you will never admit they are wrong or they don't know something they will battle battle battle..to the point i don't even freaking know what you are saying or why you are posting anymore mr grammar perfect.

this reminds me of you hmscott

[hmscott]

kingkaan wrote:
All I know is you got that i know it the best attitude if u try to prove me wrong i will bring up random **** i did and confuse the **** out of you make u think i know some **** and i know it better. EGO HAS YOU hmscott. Your ego is so fat when you walked by the tv i missed a whole episode of spartacus. you know people like you will never admit they are wrong or they don't know something they will battle battle battle..to the point i don't even freaking know what you are saying or why you are posting anymore mr grammar perfect.

You are pissed off, and not understanding what I am saying kingkaan, take a break and come back to this a month or two from now, and let us know how valuable you think vbios flashing is then.

It only seems like random **** because you aren't putting the pieces together yet. It will happen, you just have to give it time.

"Your ego is so fat when you walked by the tv i missed a whole episode of spartacus" - you need a bigger TV, or ask me to sit down and have a beer and we can watch it together next time 🙂

"you know people like you will never admit they are wrong" - no, actually that is how my grammer got good and my thoughts got clear - exploring things and getting them wrong often and then learning them right. It is a long process. And it is still going on. 🙂

Being human is to be in error most of the time - way more than most people realize...

If Deamonic gets the hack working, and proves that the vbios hack on the G750 is worthwhile, that will mean there is one more platform that it is worth doing a vbios flash on.

Until then it isn't worthwhile - you know, kinda like if it isn't worthwhile, then it isn't worthwhile - now - but maybe later it will be. You can't say it is worthwhile now, when it isn't worthwhile now, just cause you are assuming it will be worthwhile later.

I am not trying to be right, I am trying to communicate that a 100% speed up on another platform doesn't indicate that a 100% speed up will happen on the G750 - later, cause it sure isn't doing that now.

Clearly understanding the potential, the current state of the hack, and what it will take to make it worthwhile is all I am trying to say.

That, and the likely-hood of bricking your video card by doing this is much higher than flashing your motherboard BIOS, and that bricks motherboards from time to time.

And, back to the original post I made, please make sure when discussing problems with video card throttling after doing a vbios flash that you state that is what you are discussing and that it has nothing to do with stock OEM video card performance.

[kingkaan]

hmscott wrote:
You are pissed off, and not understanding what I am saying kingkaan, take a break and come back to this a month or two from now, and let us know how valuable you think vbios flashing is then.

It only seems like random **** because you aren't putting the pieces together yet. It will happen, you just have to give it time.

ok father. as you say. no need to curse omg how rude are you i hope an admin bans you you are bad influence on this forum!

:)no need to curse..you must be mad...mad... mr i know it all.. LOL