GTX 765M GPU/driver "throttling"

[YesNoYes-]

Just a few notes out of the way- Yes, I tried both the latest ASUS drivers and latest international NVIDIA betas. Yes, I have set power management in NVIDIA control panel to "performance". And yes, I have tried complete restoration of laptop to ASUS factory settings.

I have a problem that once the GPU reachs 65-66C there's a sudden drop of around -20fps while gaming.
I have overclocked (135/800/no voltage change) and tried switching apps between EVGA, ASUS tweak, MSI afterburner etc. and get the same result- once the GPU reaches 65C there's a sudden drop in fps and GPU temp goes down following that. Using monitor tools I can't see any change in MHz or other values except FPS and what's called "fb usage %" (in MSI afterburner) at moment of fps drop. This leads me to believe ASUS (from bios) or NVIDIA (from drivers) set the GPU to "throttle" (it's not really considered throttling to my understanding). I'm positive that even not overclocked once I'll reach 65C the fps will drop from whatever it was to that point. Overclocking just makes it reach 65C faster.
65C is a stupid temp to "throttle" and completely too low and so I'd be happy to know if:
a) Any other people experience this effect?
b) How can I stop this from happening?

Thanks.

[hmscott]

kingkaan wrote:
First of all you didn't need to edit your post I already saw the dumb-asses part that you took off..second of all...this also happens on stock vbios when we move the voltage slider on gpu tweak...and second of all do you even read anything properly before responding? dreamonic owns an asus laptop. with 670mx in it. now do you see his 3dmark links? you see those scores? yeah thats done on a asus laptop. so i guess when you know your **** you can't burn anything down can you? not everyone buys a god damn asus laptop like you every month mr gtx 780m. you obviously don't know **** about overclocking so why jump into peoples post to insult them and talk stupid? we get it you are the wizard of this forum you know everything but clearly you don't know anything about problems we're having or overclocking this far. so if you don't have anything helpful or useful to say go troll somewhere else.. we clearly don't have time for you we are trying to figure something out here from people who actually might know something.

Kingkan, I took it because it seemed harsh upon re-reading it, and I was trying to be understanding -people doing dumb things doesn't make them dumb-asses. Although I have done dumb-ass things in the past myself, which is easy to laugh at now, but not so much at the time.

It was a dumb thing to do, to flash the video bios. I made postings months ago with links to people that had bricked their laptops by flashing their vbios, to try to alert people that it was a real possibility - that they were going to ruin their perfectly good laptop by doing something dumb.

Don't get mad at me for your mistake, I am sorry for you, I tried to warn you, and you had to go ahead and experience the disappointment for yourself. Now try to learn from it, and help protect others from ruining their laptop experience by doing the same thing.

I did read the postings in this thread, but I haven't been around much for the last couple of months, so I haven't seen any previous discussions about flashing the vbios by these posters.

If someone was successful on another type of laptop, flashing the vbios of another kind of video card, that doesn't indicate you will have success on your laptop or your video card. If you want to share their success, get their exact laptop and video card.

If you can't afford to purchase a new laptop every month then you shouldn't be messing up the one you can afford to purchase with such a cavalier attitude. It is a dumb thing to risk for not very much of a payoff.

The reason you are angry isn't me, it is you. You are upset with yourself and you are lashing out at someone that can help you recover from your mistake. I am not upset, I understand how you feel, I have done dumbass things before and can laugh about it now, but at the time I was pretty pissed off... sorry if I triggered anger in you, it wasn't my intention.

Let me know how I can help.

[Dreamonic]

hmscott wrote:
🙂

First of all I am not the only one that doesn't know your history, that you are talking about vbios modded graphics cards - you need to put that in every post so that people don't think this behavior is happening to the Asus OEM laptop hardware configuration.

People will worry about this happening to them, when there is no way they will see this behavior - unless they flash the vbios of their perfectly good laptop video card 🙂

Flash back to the original vbios and BIOS and be happy with the stock performance, or OC using the Asus GPU Tweak tool.

Ya gotta admit, Asus engineers were pretty smart building in fail-safe's to protect you from burning down your laptops 🙂

Calling us, 'me' a dumbass hmscott.... well you lost my respect.

I'm going to stop there.

[hmscott]

Dreamonic wrote:
Calling us, 'me' a dumbass hmscott.... well you lost my respect.

I'm going to stop there.[/QUOTE

Should have I said "Jackasses" instead?

It was the first thought in my head, what a bunch of dumb-asses for screwing up their graphics cards.

Was I wrong? Too insensitive? Can't take the pointing out of the truth?

I took it out of the post in under 2 minutes, so if you all hadn't gotten your feathers ruffled, noone else would have seen it. So, if you want to acknowledge it and discuss it, I am comfortable with my comments and the discussion.

[Dreamonic]

Let me address something now so you can understand it better hmscott.

I took a 670MX and doubled the performance of it via flashing my modded vBIOS, 30fps is 60fps now. That's gain for you!

At what cost? Do you understand Hex? Do you understand the tools used? Do you have any experience in programming?

If not, then I can understand why you feel it's 'risky' and dumb thing to do.

I've given everyone I helped 100% guarantee since I work with each individual during the whole process. I make that effort and answer any questions they have so that they don't go through that likely chance of 'bricking' it themselves.

Don't talk down to me hmscott. This isn't your level of expertise like it is mine.


I understand your concern for the other members, in which I appreciate that, but don't accuse ME or categorize me like I am just the same as everyone else you may have read doing it.


If you have such a problem with posts like this, my advice would be to talk to the admin or mod to prohibit such overclocking postings so that you can feel 'safer' in your world of overclocking due to the soft limitations.

It doesn't change the fact that people brick their laptops just updating their BIOS, or saving changes in the BIOS.. what of them hmscott?

Exactly.


I'm done.

[hmscott]

Dreamonic wrote:
Let me address something now so you can understand it better hmscott.

I took a 670MX and doubled the performance of it via flashing my modded vBIOS, 30fps is 60fps now. That's gain for you!

At what cost? Do you understand Hex? Do you understand the tools used? Do you have any experience in programming?

If not, then I can understand why you feel it's 'risky' and dumb thing to do.

I've given everyone I helped 100% guarantee since I work with each individual during the whole process. I make that effort and answer any questions they have.

Don't talk down to me hmscott. This isn't your level of expertise like it is mine.

Your experience is the exception in the world of vbios modding. Most of the time it makes little difference. The rest of the time the system doesn't have enough cooling to take the extra heat load.

If the 670 in your machine can do that, that is awesome. And, if you can help others do that with 100% success - no bricking - then that is great too, but it doesn't mean that will translate onto other hardware - and in my experience your experience is the exception.

I am not talking down to you, I am talking at the same level. I do hardware and software optimization for a living.

I don't lure people into hacking up their laptops or video cards promising benefits you don't know you can get, and are still not getting. You shouldn't go public with these efforts until you have it perfected and optimized. Don't talk about the G750 tweaks until you have them working, otherwise you are leading people astray.

And, back to my first post, don't forget to mention in every post that the behavior you are discussing is on a vbios modded system, not a stock system. I don't have throttling occur at full OC on GPU clock and high memory clock unless I OC too far and the driver crashes - I am not seeing the throttling on a stock video card.

It isn't cool to introduce noobs to dangerous untested stuff and act like there is no risk. Please stop doing it.

[kingkaan]

You need to speak for yourself and stop speaking for others. We already told you this happens even on STOCK vBIOS once the voltage is changed via Precision X. Anyone can change the voltage and will probably experience the same throttling I am mentioning.

[Sandman007]

hmscott wrote:
Your experience is the exception in the world of vbios modding. Most of the time it makes little difference. The rest of the time the system doesn't have enough cooling to take the extra heat load.

If the 670 in your machine can do that, that is awesome. And, if you can help others do that with 100% success - no bricking - then that is great too, but it doesn't mean that will translate onto other hardware - and in my experience your experience is the exception.

I am not talking down to you, I am talking at the same level. I do hardware and software optimization for a living.

I don't lure people into hacking up their laptops or video cards promising benefits you don't know you can get, and are still not getting. You shouldn't go public with these efforts until you have it perfected and optimized. Don't talk about the G750 tweaks until you have them working, otherwise you are leading people astray.

And, back to my first post, don't forget to mention in every post that the behavior you are discussing is on a vbios modded system, not a stock system. I don't have throttling occur at full OC on GPU clock and high memory clock unless I OC too far and the driver crashes - I am not seeing the throttling on a stock video card.

It isn't cool to introduce noobs to dangerous untested stuff and act like there is no risk. Please stop doing it.

First off I want to start off by saying that I have read every post in this thread and I have found with every single post you have made you are making yourself sound more and more like a blubbering idiot? Seriously do you even read their full responses before you pull the words out of your ass and string them together into a massive turd you call a "Response"?

Let me just say that Dreamonic knows exactly what he is talking about. He knows his **** more than anybody that I know. And this isn't coming from some random guy that asks him to unlock his vbios because he is a noob at electronics in general. I know my **** as well. And from reading your posts it sound like you may have a decent grasp at electronics I'll give you that. But it sounds like you don't know **** about reading. Because if you could read then Kaan and Dreamonic would not need to explain themselves multiple times before you get your head out of your ass to use your "brain".

Anybody that says that unlocking your vBIOS or modding it is unsafe and should not be done is either simply uneducated or misinformed (which is understandable and excusable to some extent), or is just ****ing stupid. That is like saying using a knife is unsafe and you should never use one. Using a knife the PROPER way is fine. It has many benefits like cutting **** when cooking. But if used improperly you could cut off a finger. Same goes with vBIOS modding. It has great potential if used correctly.

Ok lets start with this bull**** statement you made: "I don't lure people into hacking up their laptops or video cards promising benefits you don't know you can get, and are still not getting.You shouldn't go public with these efforts until you have it perfected and optimized. Don't talk about the G750 tweaks until you have them working, otherwise you are leading people astray.".

Please show me where he is promising Kaan "Benefits you don't know you can get". I would love to see that. If you can pull that proof out of your ass just like with every other post that you have made I will take everything back i have said thus far. He isn't stating "Hey guys everybody do what I am doing because there are no risks involved". The day Dreamonic says that will be the day a monkey climbs out of my ass. Dreamonic is not an idiot OK. Also who are you too say he isn't allowed to go on a pubic HELP FORUM to get HELP you ****head. Its a HELP forum for a reason. He isn't posting a Guide onthis **** ****nut. He is asking for HELP . Is anyone ****ing home???

Ok now lets talk about this bull**** statement: It isn't cool to introduce noobs to dangerous untested stuff and act like there is no risk. Please stop doing it.

Just about every single word in this sentence is bull****. I even highlighted the words for you so you can go back and review. Don't hurt yourself. I know its hard. Again where the **** are you seeing this? Do you take naps between each post you read and just forget about everything you read? First off Kaan is not a "noob". He has experience in this stuff. It is his laptop after all. He may not know as much as Dreamonic but he know more than you from what I can gather. 2nd how do you know that this is untested and dangerous? Are you Dreamonic's stalker? Do you know if he tests his **** or not? I certainly hope know because than I would have to call the cops on your ass. Oh and once again Dreamonic never said their was no risk. And if you are so stupid that you think there is no risk than you shouldn't have a laptop. You should be in teh corner coloring because you are catering on stupid.

[kingkaan]

Sandman007 wrote:
First off I want to start off by saying that I have read every post in this thread and I have found with every single post you have made you are making yourself sound more and more like a blubbering idiot? Seriously do you even read their full responses before you pull the words out of your ass and string them together into a massive turd you call a "Response"?

Let me just say that Dreamonic knows exactly what he is talking about. He knows his **** more than anybody that I know. And this isn't coming from some random guy that asks him to unlock his vbios because he is a noob at electronics in general. I know my **** as well. And from reading your posts it sound like you may have a decent grasp at electronics I'll give you that. But it sounds like you don't know **** about reading. Because if you could read then Kaan and Dreamonic would not need to explain themselves multiple times before you get your head out of your ass to use your "brain".

Anybody that says that unlocking your vBIOS or modding it is unsafe and should not be done is either simply uneducated or misinformed (which is understandable and excusable to some extent), or is just ****ing stupid. That is like saying using a knife is unsafe and you should never use one. Using a knife the PROPER way is fine. It has many benefits like cutting **** when cooking. But if used improperly you could cut off a finger. Same goes with vBIOS modding. It has great potential if used correctly.

Ok lets start with this bull**** statement you made: "I don't lure people into hacking up their laptops or video cards promising benefits you don't know you can get, and are still not getting.You shouldn't go public with these efforts until you have it perfected and optimized. Don't talk about the G750 tweaks until you have them working, otherwise you are leading people astray.".

Please show me where he is promising Kaan "Benefits you don't know you can get". I would love to see that. If you can pull that proof out of your ass just like with every other post that you have made I will take everything back i have said thus far. He isn't stating "Hey guys everybody do what I am doing because there are no risks involved". The day Dreamonic says that will be the day a monkey climbs out of my ass. Dreamonic is not an idiot OK. Also who are you too say he isn't allowed to go on a pubic HELP FORUM to get HELP you ****head. Its a HELP forum for a reason. He isn't posting a Guide onthis **** ****nut. He is asking for HELP . Is anyone ****ing home???

Ok now lets talk about this bull**** statement: It isn't cool to introduce noobs to dangerous untested stuff and act like there is no risk. Please stop doing it.

Just about every single word in this sentence is bull****. I even highlighted the words for you so you can go back and review. Don't hurt yourself. I know its hard. Again where the **** are you seeing this? Do you take naps between each post you read and just forget about everything you read? First off Kaan is not a "noob". He has experience in this stuff. It is his laptop after all. He may not know as much as Dreamonic but he know more than you from what I can gather. 2nd how do you know that this is untested and dangerous? Are you Dreamonic's stalker? Do you know if he tests his **** or not? I certainly hope know because than I would have to call the cops on your ass. Oh and once again Dreamonic never said their was no risk. And if you are so stupid that you think there is no risk than you shouldn't have a laptop. You should be in teh corner coloring because you are catering on stupid.

[hmscott]

Sandman007 wrote:
First off I want to start off by saying that I have read every post in this thread and I have found with every single post you have made you are making yourself sound more and more like a blubbering idiot? Seriously do you even read their full responses before you pull the words out of your ass and string them together into a massive turd you call a "Response"?

Let me just say that Dreamonic knows exactly what he is talking about. He knows his **** more than anybody that I know. And this isn't coming from some random guy that asks him to unlock his vbios because he is a noob at electronics in general. I know my **** as well. And from reading your posts it sound like you may have a decent grasp at electronics I'll give you that. But it sounds like you don't know **** about reading. Because if you could read then Kaan and Dreamonic would not need to explain themselves multiple times before you get your head out of your ass to use your "brain".

Anybody that says that unlocking your vBIOS or modding it is unsafe and should not be done is either simply uneducated or misinformed (which is understandable and excusable to some extent), or is just ****ing stupid. That is like saying using a knife is unsafe and you should never use one. Using a knife the PROPER way is fine. It has many benefits like cutting **** when cooking. But if used improperly you could cut off a finger. Same goes with vBIOS modding. It has great potential if used correctly.

Ok lets start with this bull**** statement you made: "I don't lure people into hacking up their laptops or video cards promising benefits you don't know you can get, and are still not getting.You shouldn't go public with these efforts until you have it perfected and optimized. Don't talk about the G750 tweaks until you have them working, otherwise you are leading people astray.".

Please show me where he is promising Kaan "Benefits you don't know you can get". I would love to see that. If you can pull that proof out of your ass just like with every other post that you have made I will take everything back i have said thus far. He isn't stating "Hey guys everybody do what I am doing because there are no risks involved". The day Dreamonic says that will be the day a monkey climbs out of my ass. Dreamonic is not an idiot OK. Also who are you too say he isn't allowed to go on a pubic HELP FORUM to get HELP you ****head. Its a HELP forum for a reason. He isn't posting a Guide onthis **** ****nut. He is asking for HELP . Is anyone ****ing home???

Ok now lets talk about this bull**** statement: It isn't cool to introduce noobs to dangerous untested stuff and act like there is no risk. Please stop doing it.

Just about every single word in this sentence is bull****. I even highlighted the words for you so you can go back and review. Don't hurt yourself. I know its hard. Again where the **** are you seeing this? Do you take naps between each post you read and just forget about everything you read? First off Kaan is not a "noob". He has experience in this stuff. It is his laptop after all. He may not know as much as Dreamonic but he know more than you from what I can gather. 2nd how do you know that this is untested and dangerous? Are you Dreamonic's stalker? Do you know if he tests his **** or not? I certainly hope know because than I would have to call the cops on your ass. Oh and once again Dreamonic never said their was no risk. And if you are so stupid that you think there is no risk than you shouldn't have a laptop. You should be in teh corner coloring because you are catering on stupid.

Sandman007, you are the one mixing up the responses - to whom each statement applies. I respond to each persons quoted text, and don't mix between posts. The "noob "and "untested" stuff response was to Dreamonic.

If it is tested stuff, then why isn't it working? Why is Dreamonic asking people to install a vbios that isn't working as intended?, and if Dreamonic hasn't found a fix to the problem yet and is still searching for a fix, then it isn't working as intended, and is known to not work, the benefit isn't achieved so why ask people to install it?

I call incomplete still in the development stage software "untested" in that it doesn't pass the final test of doing what it is supposed to do. If it passes testing as being complete and delivering the service or benefit promised, then it is complete and "tested".

Pretty simple really. If it doesn't do what it is supposed to do, it isn't ready for release.

When the result is a reliable result that doesn't throttle when put to it's intended use, then it is ready for release, until then it is untested.

If Dreamonic says that he gets 100% speed up, 60 fps after vbios flashing on a 670 vs 30fps before, it is irrelevant and misleading - and doesn't indicate potential performance on a G750 765m, 770m, or a 785m - not even close in comparison - until he does it.

Until then it leads gullible people into believing they can achieve the same result when they hear of the 670 performance boost - that is why he says it - to encourage people to load his incomplete untested vbios flash onto their laptops - and they are taking the financial risk - it will be their loss if something goes wrong, not his.

If Dreamonic wants to buy a G750 and take all the risk of developing a successful vbios for the G750 765m, 770m, or 785m, then let him do it himself, like he did for his 670. That would be cool, I would respect that.

Otherwise, he is playing with other peoples money, and letting them take the risks.

[Sandman007]

hmscott you are the one who is making up random ****. Dreamonic never said he is realeasing anything. He is simply helping one individual. You say you are a "Hardware and software optimization expert." You must be a pretty ****ty one at that. Because anyone in the computer field knows that **** requires testing numnuts. That is what Dreamonic is doing. He is testing and troubleshooting. NOT releasing. Oh and just so its clear to you, Dreamomic is not just handing Khaan vBIOS's to try out. He is helping Khaan one on one with this ****. Not just randomly handing him vBIOS's. He does this with every person he has helped including me. He has the specific person he is helping to dump their specific stock vBIOS off of their system. So he isn't just handing out one modded vBIOS for everybody.