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GTX 765M GPU/driver "throttling"

YesNoYes-
Level 8
Just a few notes out of the way- Yes, I tried both the latest ASUS drivers and latest international NVIDIA betas. Yes, I have set power management in NVIDIA control panel to "performance". And yes, I have tried complete restoration of laptop to ASUS factory settings.

I have a problem that once the GPU reachs 65-66C there's a sudden drop of around -20fps while gaming.
I have overclocked (135/800/no voltage change) and tried switching apps between EVGA, ASUS tweak, MSI afterburner etc. and get the same result- once the GPU reaches 65C there's a sudden drop in fps and GPU temp goes down following that. Using monitor tools I can't see any change in MHz or other values except FPS and what's called "fb usage %" (in MSI afterburner) at moment of fps drop. This leads me to believe ASUS (from bios) or NVIDIA (from drivers) set the GPU to "throttle" (it's not really considered throttling to my understanding). I'm positive that even not overclocked once I'll reach 65C the fps will drop from whatever it was to that point. Overclocking just makes it reach 65C faster.
65C is a stupid temp to "throttle" and completely too low and so I'd be happy to know if:
a) Any other people experience this effect?
b) How can I stop this from happening?

Thanks.
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HeY YesNoYes,

I have g750jw with gtx 765m and I came across the same problem which i couldnt get around...i get no throttling with stock oc using gpu tweak..friend of mine helped me unlocked the slider and helped me oc...we literally tried everything master voltage tdp limit everything u can think of but it throttles no matter what...its pissed me off to the point where i am so frustrated and want to sell my laptop... just liek you said my gpu load drops to %50 and i lose about 20 25 fps in game especially in crysis 3 i couldnt play it at all. now im just on stock vbios using stock oc. if anyone found a way to get around this or cause please let me know!

sasuke256
Level 7
update to last bios version !
Laptop : ASUS G750JW : i7 4700HQ - 16Gb - 2Tb HDD - GTX 765M OC (+135/500) - Full HD Matte - Win 8.1
Retiered : Toshiba L670 i5 560M/8Gb Corsair/1TB/HD5650 1Gb @ 625/800 /WD 1Tb USB3/Win7

sasuke256 wrote:
update to last bios version !


Already did! when this happened i was on 208...which is the latest one..then i tried 206 and 207 none of them worked.

How strange, I have a 5 month old G750JW and I'v overclocked my card to 996mhz / 6100mhz and I'v never had such a problem and I'v been known to game on it nonstop for a whole day lol

try getting a cooling board or something?

kingsknight wrote:
How strange, I have a 5 month old G750JW and I'v overclocked my card to 996mhz / 6100mhz and I'v never had such a problem and I'v been known to game on it nonstop for a whole day lol

try getting a cooling board or something?


like we said before no overheating problem...it throttles at 64C. it's not about thermal..i can overclock without a throttle problem on stock vbios to 0997 and 6088 mem and have no problems we are using a modded vbios with unlocked core slider.

hmscott
Level 12
IDK why you guys aren't seeing the Nvidia "Video Driver Crashed and is Restarting" popup, but what you are describing are the symptoms experienced after an Nvidia Driver crash - the GPU throttles to minimal performance until you reboot.

This crash usually comes from a GPU memory clock OC. In my experience all the G750 models can take the highest GPU frequency OC - slider all the way up, but the memory OC is more sensitive.

For the JH, here is where I am stable:

33609

Whatever the default memory frequency is for your version of the G750, increase in 100mhz increments until you get the throttling behavior, and the back off 2-300mhz and that should be enough to allow stable running during long gaming sessions - if not drop it down another 100mhz at a time until it is stable.

It isn't the temperature that is the problem, it is the memory OC 🙂

hmscott wrote:
IDK why you guys aren't seeing the Nvidia "Video Driver Crashed and is Restarting" popup, but what you are describing are the symptoms experienced after an Nvidia Driver crash - the GPU throttles to minimal performance until you reboot.

This crash usually comes from a GPU memory clock OC. In my experience all the G750 models can take the highest GPU frequency OC - slider all the way up, but the memory OC is more sensitive.

For the JH, here is where I am stable:

33609

Whatever the default memory frequency is for your version of the G750, increase in 100mhz increments until you get the throttling behavior, and the back off 2-300mhz and that should be enough to allow stable running during long gaming sessions - if not drop it down another 100mhz at a time until it is stable.

It isn't the temperature that is the problem, it is the memory OC 🙂



no no i can overclock and not have any problem my oc clocks are noe 0997 mhz core and 6088 mem. our problem si we are using a modded vbios...and we pushed the core up to 350 mhz we literally started from the bottom 200 mhz 300 mhz on the core.. everything works fine for a little bit then we see gpu load drops to %50 and lose 20 fps for a few seconds and then it goes back up..so it keeps doing this back and forth. gpu z perfcap shows all gray so utility no power problems..and it's not driver crashing. if it i would never get over P5584 on 3dmark11 which is very hard to get with gtx 765m. dreamonic and I tried everything different drivers downclocking cpu changing tdp limits playing with master voltage...the card doesn't heat up it happens at 64 c 74c it happens every a few seconds..20 fps drops and then goes back up...

Dreamonic
Level 12
I'll chime in as well Kaan.

Basically what's happening is we get 'throttling' when: The OC limit is raised and past +135, boost clocks raised dynamically, raised master voltage, raised TDP limits, adjusted P0/P5 voltages only, forced voltages/clocks throughout all P-states, boost completely disabled, ran with K-boost enabled/disabled, raised temp limit, adjusted voltage +25-75mV only, adjusted core clock only, adjusted memory clock only, diff driver versions ... rinse and repeat... rinse and repeat...

At first it seemed like the CPU was the cause because when the GPU was throttling, the CPU would drop from 3.2Ghz down to 800Mhz. So we got XTU installed and began undervolting it, but the results differed even more. The throttling would randomly happen during benching and GPU-Z wouldn't show anything about voltage or power via PerfCap, but Util during the benching tests where it's supposed to run at max clocks. It is not a temperature problem as on stock vBIOS there is no throttling once so ever, in fact we even OC'd the CPU just to rule out the CPU being the issue. Everything runs fine with the stock vBIOS with stock OC limit +135.

I'd like to point out now that the throttling we are referring about is not the -13Mhz temperature throttle that you find on YT vids with the desktop brethren cards. What happens during benching at say with raised OC limit and +75mV, making 1150 on the core, results in half of the tests running smooth and then near the end of it or vice versa, it will throttle GPU usage from 99% to 45-52% and create this slow-mo like effect.

So, seeing as how we can OC the CPU and use the stock vBIOS with stock OC limit just fine, I realized it's definitely due to the Boost 2.0 algorithm affecting power/voltage/clock and load throttling. However, why the initial attempts did nothing but result in throttling is what is puzzling. I know that with Alienware/MSI/Clevo versions of the 7XXM, they don't have these issues as it seems to be just with ASUS G750 cards; It could be the power design with the MB or MXM slot being power limited, I am not entirely sure yet.

There doesn't seem to be very many people going past the stock OC limit of +135 with raised voltage on a 765M in their JW's. So that's why the attempts, now if only the throttling would piss-off!

hmscott wrote:
IDK why you guys aren't seeing the Nvidia "Video Driver Crashed and is Restarting" popup, but what you are describing are the symptoms experienced after an Nvidia Driver crash - the GPU throttles to minimal performance until you reboot.


There is also no driver crashing during the throttling. We can however make one by not having enough voltage when pushing the core even further toward 1250 @ 125mV; This is not related to our problem.

🙂

First of all I am not the only one that doesn't know your history, that you are talking about vbios modded graphics cards - you need to put that in every post so that people don't think this behavior is happening to the Asus OEM laptop hardware configuration.

People will worry about this happening to them, when there is no way they will see this behavior - unless they flash the vbios of their perfectly good laptop video card 🙂

Flash back to the original vbios and BIOS and be happy with the stock performance, or OC using the Asus GPU Tweak tool.

Ya gotta admit, Asus engineers were pretty smart building in fail-safe's to protect you from burning down your laptops 🙂

hmscott wrote:
🙂

First of all I am not the only one that doesn't know your history, that you are talking about vbios modded graphics cards - you need to put that in every post so that people don't think this behavior is happening to the Asus OEM laptop hardware configuration.

People will worry about this happening to them, when there is no way they will see this behavior - unless they flash the vbios of their perfectly good laptop video card 🙂

Flash back to the original vbios and BIOS and be happy with the stock performance, or OC using the Asus GPU Tweak tool.

Ya gotta admit, Asus engineers were pretty smart building in fail-safe's to protect you from burning down your laptops 🙂



First of all you didn't need to edit your post I already saw the dumb-asses part that you took off..second of all...this also happens on stock vbios when we move the voltage slider on gpu tweak...and second of all do you even read anything properly before responding? dreamonic owns an asus laptop. with 670mx in it. now do you see his 3dmark links? you see those scores? yeah thats done on a asus laptop. so i guess when you know your **** you can't burn anything down can you? not everyone buys a god damn asus laptop like you every month mr gtx 780m. you obviously don't know **** about overclocking so why jump into peoples post to insult them and talk stupid? we get it you are the wizard of this forum you know everything but clearly you don't know anything about problems we're having or overclocking this far. so if you don't have anything helpful or useful to say go troll somewhere else.. we clearly don't have time for you we are trying to figure something out here from people who actually might know something.