Captgeech21 wrote:
Btw, my Nvidia bios version is 86.4.2a.0.a
Going to see if i can find any gtx 1070 for the g752 series bios updates out there.
@Dreamonic
I hope my earlier responses don't come across as ignoring some of the other feedback and info you gave above. I am indeed trying to look into all avenues you explained to look into before I do an RMA. This whole situation is just very frustrating, and i've been dealing with it for around 6 months now.
Anyhow, I am looking into vbios swaps. As I said before, I have flashed mobo bios many a time, but never done vbios (never had to). Does swapping to another model laptop with a 1070 pose any risk? Mainly, can I pick a wrong model with a 1070? Or are all of the 1070 GPU going to be about the same? My understanding is that even the 1080 (at least desktop versions) are the same GPU with different firmware/bios to allow for more shader use or what not. So I am under the impression as long as its a 1070 mobile bios, it should be ok to use. I just don't want to hinder my card, or heaven forbid screw up the GPU.
Also, you mentioned unlocking advanced bios to look at some CPU config. Is this possible on the RB71 with the 6700HQ? I have found the G752VY but not the VS nor the RB71 specifically yet.
Any tips would be appreciated.
As per the issue with Gaming Center. The reason I was hopeful for standard settings over extreme is that even in a software suite as pitiful as Gaming Center, Extreme mode does show an increase in clock speed, memory speed and boost speed. It's not those set speed increases that are causing the crashes. But per the logs, every crash shows the GPU at 1847 for the 4-8 seconds before the lockup and restart. This was not happening when I set the Standard option, but for some reason, standard in Gaming Center isn't keeping the clock quite low enough and I have had a few crashes.
I am going to grab MSI afterburner and play with it to see if I can at least get a stable solution for now.
Not at all. I understand the situation.
This is a frustrating problem to troubleshoot given how long you've been going at it. So I understand your time spent in the matter, attempting fixes that could potentially lead down the very same path in the end toward an RMA.
Any risks cross-flashing VBIOS ROMs? Yes and no. Here's how you tell them apart AFAIK.
10DE:1BE1 :::::: 1070 BGA/MXM variants - VBIOS (TDP) - 115W/115W
10DE 1BA1 :::::: 1070 MXM variants - VBIOS (TDP) - 115W ~ 120W/150W
10DE:1B81 :::::: Desktop 1070 variants - VBIOS (TDP) - 151W ~ 300W
The Device ID you want to match when flashing 1070 VBIOS ROMs with our G752VS is: 10DE:1BE1
Here's an NVIDIA SMI query on the G752VS with the GL502VS 1070 VBIOS; NVIDIA SMI commands here.
When cross-flashing VBIOS ROMs you can most certainly flash one that affects stability more than anything else, because some are too vendor specific, pertaining to their own supported HW. To make it not as risky for you though, is that I've already flashed the following (a couple did not work well):
(works) Clevo P775DM2 (MXM 1070) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/187333/187333
(currently flashed) GL502VS (BGA 1070) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/186340/asus-gtx1070mobile-8192-160713
(works) GL502VS (BGA 1070 - updated VBIOS version) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/187888/187888
(unstable) Gigabyte X7 V6 (BGA 1070) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/194794/194794
(semi-stable) MSI GT72VR 7RE (MXM 1070) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/190135/190135
(unstable) HP Omen (BGA 1070) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/187030/187030
(official) G752VS (BGA 1070) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/186329/asus-gtx1070mobile-8192-160701
You can always flash back to your stock VBIOS as long as you created a backup of it. Not that you really need to worry about making one with the links available above, but definitely cover your bases should you lose internet.
Yes, you can unlock the hidden BIOS menus. I would still say it's more beneficial for the G752VS models with the 6820HK as the OC can be done right in the BIOS instead of using XTU and its services or TS in general. Basically just the ability do it without SW. You can definitely adjust power settings, core ratios and EIST, SST, etc with the 6700HQ, albeit not increasing frequencies beyond factory spec, but at least you have the ability to play around with some settings nonetheless.
Have you tried swapping the SO-DIMMs around? Maybe there is a bad slot instead of being a bad stick. Try setting the ME State Control to disabled and see if that helps. Disable SST (HWP) in the BIOS once you unlock those menus if it isn't already.
Grab Revo Uninstaller and remove the ROG Gaming Center and left overs completely. Use XTU or TS instead or none at all and see if anything changes.
According to a friend online who has a GX800VH, he said he contacted ASUS engineers about the ROG Gaming Center problem with clocks not adjusting properly with the CPU for that model. Lots of issues revolve around the ROG Gaming Center, but more specifically the ICCS (Integrated Clock Controller Service) that installs with XTU, which the ROG Gaming Center is using too. Make absolutely sure there is no chance for any 3rd party software (including ASUS) causing your crashing. Fresh install and all required drivers that don't get detected properly in Device Manager. Test stability again under a completely clean slate.
We know latest SBIOS didn't help. So perhaps it is indeed HW, but you won't know specifically if you don't test the aforementioned above out, right down to flashing a different VBIOS version; try the GL502VS ones out and go from there.
NOW, that all sounds good and all but it's not what I think is the problem...
I'm going to mention something I believe hasn't been mentioned yet, and that is... have you tried increasing the voltage offset for your 6700HQ? What am I getting at? I believe it's crashing due to the VCore being too low. Because scenarios where the CPU is undervolted too much, will do the exact same thing. The system crashes, does a power cycle and boots back up again. I suggest changing even the core ratios by lowering them and remain testing again by making one change and rinse and repeat. I'll also add that because XTU is changing settings you cannot see in the BIOS menus because they are hidden, you won't know if settings from the ROG Gaming Center is actually defaulting them back afterwards. Because remember, this is what the ROG Gaming Center is using. So many variables but it gives you something to work with at least.
Also try out what @nulmas suggested too. It could very well just be a GPU related issue all along!
Hopefully you find something here that helps your crashing problem before you try to RMA.
Good luck!
Dreamonic wrote:
Not at all. I understand the situation.
This is a frustrating problem to troubleshoot given how long you've been going at it. So I understand your time spent in the matter, attempting fixes that could potentially lead down the very same path in the end toward an RMA.
Any risks cross-flashing VBIOS ROMs? Yes and no. Here's how you tell them apart AFAIK.
10DE:1BE1 :::::: 1070 BGA/MXM variants - VBIOS (TDP) - 115W/115W
10DE 1BA1 :::::: 1070 MXM variants - VBIOS (TDP) - 115W ~ 120W/150W
10DE:1B81 :::::: Desktop 1070 variants - VBIOS (TDP) - 151W ~ 300W
The Device ID you want to match when flashing 1070 VBIOS ROMs with our G752VS is: 10DE:1BE1
Here's an NVIDIA SMI query on the G752VS with the GL502VS 1070 VBIOS; NVIDIA SMI commands here.
When cross-flashing VBIOS ROMs you can most certainly flash one that affects stability more than anything else, because some are too vendor specific, pertaining to their own supported HW. To make it not as risky for you though, is that I've already flashed the following (a couple did not work well):
(works) Clevo P775DM2 (MXM 1070) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/187333/187333
(currently flashed) GL502VS (BGA 1070) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/186340/asus-gtx1070mobile-8192-160713
(works) GL502VS (BGA 1070 - updated VBIOS version) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/187888/187888
(unstable) Gigabyte X7 V6 (BGA 1070) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/194794/194794
(semi-stable) MSI GT72VR 7RE (MXM 1070) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/190135/190135
(unstable) HP Omen (BGA 1070) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/187030/187030
(official) G752VS (BGA 1070) - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/186329/asus-gtx1070mobile-8192-160701
You can always flash back to your stock VBIOS as long as you created a backup of it. Not that you really need to worry about making one with the links available above, but definitely cover your bases should you lose internet.
Yes, you can unlock the hidden BIOS menus. I would still say it's more beneficial for the G752VS models with the 6820HK as the OC can be done right in the BIOS instead of using XTU and its services or TS in general. Basically just the ability do it without SW. You can definitely adjust power settings, core ratios and EIST, SST, etc with the 6700HQ, albeit not increasing frequencies beyond factory spec, but at least you have the ability to play around with some settings nonetheless.
Have you tried swapping the SO-DIMMs around? Maybe there is a bad slot instead of being a bad stick. Try setting the ME State Control to disabled and see if that helps. Disable SST (HWP) in the BIOS once you unlock those menus if it isn't already.
Grab Revo Uninstaller and remove the ROG Gaming Center and left overs completely. Use XTU or TS instead or none at all and see if anything changes.
According to a friend online who has a GX800VH, he said he contacted ASUS engineers about the ROG Gaming Center problem with clocks not adjusting properly with the CPU for that model. Lots of issues revolve around the ROG Gaming Center, but more specifically the ICCS (Integrated Clock Controller Service) that installs with XTU, which the ROG Gaming Center is using too. Make absolutely sure there is no chance for any 3rd party software (including ASUS) causing your crashing. Fresh install and all required drivers that don't get detected properly in Device Manager. Test stability again under a completely clean slate.
We know latest SBIOS didn't help. So perhaps it is indeed HW, but you won't know specifically if you don't test the aforementioned above out, right down to flashing a different VBIOS version; try the GL502VS ones out and go from there.
NOW, that all sounds good and all but it's not what I think is the problem...
I'm going to mention something I believe hasn't been mentioned yet, and that is... have you tried increasing the voltage offset for your 6700HQ? What am I getting at? I believe it's crashing due to the VCore being too low. Because scenarios where the CPU is undervolted too much, will do the exact same thing. The system crashes, does a power cycle and boots back up again. I suggest changing even the core ratios by lowering them and remain testing again by making one change and rinse and repeat. I'll also add that because XTU is changing settings you cannot see in the BIOS menus because they are hidden, you won't know if settings from the ROG Gaming Center is actually defaulting them back afterwards. Because remember, this is what the ROG Gaming Center is using. So many variables but it gives you something to work with at least.
Also try out what @nulmas suggested too. It could very well just be a GPU related issue all along!
Hopefully you find something here that helps your crashing problem before you try to RMA.
Good luck!
Hello!
Can you help, please?
I have G752VSK (i7-7820HK, CM238 Chipset)
Wanted to unlock bios settings following your instruction on forum, but didn't succeed. Afuwinx64 (and afudos) showed mistake 18 (failed to flash secured rom or smth). Intel flash programming tool showed mistake 368 (and quite the same description of mistake - security is not broken). Is there any way to flash unlocked bios on asus laptop with 7th generation of Core i7 and CM238? As I can see in your profile you now have GX800VH with the same CPU - maybe you have tried some experiments with your bios?
Really tired of asus overvolting and ROG gaming center.
Thank you!
