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G750JS performing poorly.

Vanility
Level 7
Heya
I recently bought the ASUS ROG G750JS T4093H with the 870m GPU. While some games run fine (like Dota2), others have low fps, stutters and lags. (Which my old computer had no problem running, which is 5+ years old with nothing special in it).

So I tested 3dmark 11 and scored 1200 points.. which is way too low. I looked at a review of the G750JS-T4064H and they got 7200points in 3dmark11.

I use windows 8.1 (as it came), I have updated the nvidia drivers to 340.52 and haven't touched anything else, no overclocking no nothing. Edit: I bought a samsung 840 EVO too, and moved windows to it, (by using an usb of the factory rrecovery I got by using backtracker and installing it to the ssd.)

So what could be the problem? Windows 8? Or is there a way to optimize my g750js to "best performance" or such?
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juggar
Level 7
This is such an obvious problem its not even funny. Its painfully clear to me that you are sometimes running on integrated Intel GPU. Right click on desktop and go to Nvidia control panel and make sure all your games and 3Dmark are running on the Nvidia GPU.

This is a simple fix, nothing is wrong with your laptop. Its just the stupid Nvidia Optimus making bad decisions. Probably best to Google it next time. Such a common problem.

juggar wrote:
This is such an obvious problem its not even funny. Its painfully clear to me that you are sometimes running on integrated Intel GPU. Right click on desktop and go to Nvidia control panel and make sure all your games and 3Dmark are running on the Nvidia GPU.

This is a simple fix, nothing is wrong with your laptop. Its just the stupid Nvidia Optimus making bad decisions. Probably best to Google it next time. Such a common problem.


Thanks alot, explains why I were getting 3-5 fps in 3dmark :D. Thanks again!

I have to say, I was silently disappointed to the performance of this tank when it arrived. I couldn't believe that for example I got unsteady fps around 80-150. This lead me to seek answers how to tune up this baby to get what I paid from.



1st thing I did, I installed "Intel Extreme Tuning Utility"

I googled around and found settings that gave a little boost, but definately still keep the computer in balance.
-Go to Manual Tuning -> Multipliers -> tune up the multipliers to to max, (36x, 35x, 34x 34x),
-> Same page, Processor Cache Voltage Offset to -58,59... MV

This will set the processor high end from 3,4GHz to 3,6GHz.


2nd I made sure that I was using the GTX880 in all gaming programs.
-Go NVIDIA control panel, check the Set PhysX configuration and 3d settings - set all to PERFORMANCE

Found this 1 guy telling settings that will boost up the performance, go 3 settings, Global settings, choose High performance Nvidia processsor and follow up these images

http://www4.zippyshare.com/v/95374520/file.html
http://www4.zippyshare.com/v/69209874/file.html

After this make sure that the programs that you use, are using these global settings
-> Next to global settings there is program settings -> Select the program
2. -> Select the preferred graphics processor for this program: Use Global setting (H-P NVIDIA Processor)


3rd thing I started to read about coreparking

There is a lot of debating that does disabling core parking work, but as I read so many times; it has worked for many, and it did work for me! It disables the processors from going into idle, and it keeps the working more.

After this I recognize that my laptop is using a lot more battery, but my fps in CS:GO was boosted from unsteady 80-150 to 250-300!! This made my day, as CS:GO is really demanding that the game runs smooth and has high fps.

I was myself a bit afraid to do this, but I'm happy with the end result as I'm always plugged anyways as I go. The real problem is, that the games are not demanding the use of all the threads (8), and the power that this laptop has is left unused. Disabling this core-parking is one way to activate that power that this tank has.

Here's how you do it

Open up RUN by pressing and HOLDING the windows key and pressing R once to open it
in the box type REGEDIT and click ok/enter
now go to edit and then find in the options
in this box type this key or copy paste it
0cc5b647-c1df-4637-891a-dec35c318583
now click find next
the registry will now search for the key in question
when the search completes on the right plane you will see 2 values which u will change to 0
ValueMax and ValueMin
just double click both of them and make sure they are both set to 0 and click ok
now go to edit and click find next
on the right plane u will see a new Valuemax and Valuemin set them to 0 also
Repeat this process until the findnext search finds no more
Now u can exit the registry and restart your computer for the changes to take effect

On windows 8 I found only once this, so don't worry when you press next and you got no more.

4th - Tuning up GPU

Download Nvidia Inspector

-open up the software, press Show overclocking
-I Put just + 30MHz to Base Clock Offset
-I Put +500 MHz to Memory Clock Offset (boosted memory from 2500MHz to 3000MHz


To end: I'm really not too into tuning, and correct and help if there is more tips. When I changed these setups, there was great boost in the performance, and as I said, it decreased the battery life. I hope this helps. I feel like now I have the laptop that I paid for. I think the problem with this computer is not that it's lacking power, but how to get the power into process. Keep tuning the settings, google out how to get more power out. There is a lot of people with these same problems.

One good way to see what is happening inside of your powerhouse, when the maximum is required, is to use for example that Intel Extreme Tuning Utility and keep it running while gaming. It's drawing how much of your CPU and GPU is being used as you play. You want this to be high, as that means that the power is being used. As I was playing CS:GO before and was watching this, I noticed that I was using only 1 or max 2 processor out of 4, and even those were running in 30% 😄 Now I'm using around 60-80% and my performance is double!

I dont think youll find a game that is going to be CPU bound by that i7. really, slightly OC'ing the i7 is kind of pointless. Now, that being said, you can undervolt the CPU using the same intel software and lower your CPU temps a bit. And I dont see the point in going from 80 FPS to 300, anything above 60 is pointless to me(as long as your not dipping below 60 ), you literally cannot tell the difference at that point. What your doing is basically just wasting power and raising temps, I dont ever want high CPU utilization because that means my temps will go up.

CS:GO is not a very CPU intensive game, it just doesnt make sense why you would want to raise utilization.

IF you overclock the GPU, use MSI afterburner so you can easily monitor temps and clocks.

I kind of feel like your post has some kind of wrong info, but what ever. As long as your having fun. 🙂

CS:GO not very CPU intensive game? I've been playing this game for 16 years and I can tell that this game is very CPU intensive. Most of the players prefer for this reason the less cores, because it has problems to support quad cores, which leaves the performance low. For this game alone, the gamers also prefer the +120hz monitors, for its high requirements for sharpness and game feel.

Also your opinion about the fps is false. The statement about the eye being unable to see over 60fps is grab when it comes to CS:GO. You will see and feel high fps in CS:GO as smoothness and sharpness. Everybody who has played this game knows how much this is to be appreciated when it comes to as intense game as CS, where the milliseconds are crucial in making the headshots. You can try to play with 300fps and then set "fps_max 60" and you feel SUPER laggy! Also, it has also been proved that human eye can see over 300fps during adrenaline rush. This leaves a lot for discussion how different situations apply.

My heat is staying all the time low, no problems at all. Thats why I said that the clocking kept it in great balance, so that there is no overheating at all. When I run stress test and benchmark, and the utilization is 100% the highest temp is around 75. In regards to your comment MAKING the utilization high: ofcourse I dont want to make the utilization high, but of course I want to see my computer working with the full potential that it has.

If you are playing RMA or other games, maybe the high performance is not what you are looking. There is no edge from the supersharp sense and feeling in the game, as its more strategy and brain, but as this topic was about seeking that high performance.

The fact is that my fps in CS doubled. My performance doubled. If you want performance, this what I did.

I kind of feel like the previous comment didn't read the topic of this conversation and what the problem was.

pz

kasperi wrote:
I have to say, I was silently disappointed to the performance of this tank when it arrived. I couldn't believe that for example I got unsteady fps around 80-150. This lead me to seek answers how to tune up this baby to get what I paid from.

1st thing I did, I installed "Intel Extreme Tuning Utility"

I googled around and found settings that gave a little boost, but definately still keep the computer in balance.
-Go to Manual Tuning -> Multipliers -> tune up the multipliers to to max, (36x, 35x, 34x 34x),
-> Same page, Processor Cache Voltage Offset to -58,59... MV

This will set the processor high end from 3,4GHz to 3,6GHz.


2nd I made sure that I was using the GTX880 in all gaming programs.
-Go NVIDIA control panel, check the Set PhysX configuration and 3d settings - set all to PERFORMANCE

Found this 1 guy telling settings that will boost up the performance, go 3 settings, Global settings, choose High performance Nvidia processsor and follow up these images

http://www4.zippyshare.com/v/95374520/file.html
http://www4.zippyshare.com/v/69209874/file.html

After this make sure that the programs that you use, are using these global settings
-> Next to global settings there is program settings -> Select the program
2. -> Select the preferred graphics processor for this program: Use Global setting (H-P NVIDIA Processor)


3rd thing I started to read about coreparking

There is a lot of debating that does disabling core parking work, but as I read so many times; it has worked for many, and it did work for me! It disables the processors from going into idle, and it keeps the working more.

After this I recognize that my laptop is using a lot more battery, but my fps in CS:GO was boosted from unsteady 80-150 to 250-300!! This made my day, as CS:GO is really demanding that the game runs smooth and has high fps.

I was myself a bit afraid to do this, but I'm happy with the end result as I'm always plugged anyways as I go. The real problem is, that the games are not demanding the use of all the threads (8), and the power that this laptop has is left unused. Disabling this core-parking is one way to activate that power that this tank has.

Here's how you do it

Open up RUN by pressing and HOLDING the windows key and pressing R once to open it
in the box type REGEDIT and click ok/enter
now go to edit and then find in the options
in this box type this key or copy paste it
0cc5b647-c1df-4637-891a-dec35c318583
now click find next
the registry will now search for the key in question
when the search completes on the right plane you will see 2 values which u will change to 0
ValueMax and ValueMin
just double click both of them and make sure they are both set to 0 and click ok
now go to edit and click find next
on the right plane u will see a new Valuemax and Valuemin set them to 0 also
Repeat this process until the findnext search finds no more
Now u can exit the registry and restart your computer for the changes to take effect

On windows 8 I found only once this, so don't worry when you press next and you got no more.

4th - Tuning up GPU

Download Nvidia Inspector

-open up the software, press Show overclocking
-I Put just + 30MHz to Base Clock Offset
-I Put +500 MHz to Memory Clock Offset (boosted memory from 2500MHz to 3000MHz


To end: I'm really not too into tuning, and correct and help if there is more tips. When I changed these setups, there was great boost in the performance, and as I said, it decreased the battery life. I hope this helps. I feel like now I have the laptop that I paid for. I think the problem with this computer is not that it's lacking power, but how to get the power into process. Keep tuning the settings, google out how to get more power out. There is a lot of people with these same problems.

One good way to see what is happening inside of your powerhouse, when the maximum is required, is to use for example that Intel Extreme Tuning Utility and keep it running while gaming. It's drawing how much of your CPU and GPU is being used as you play. You want this to be high, as that means that the power is being used. As I was playing CS:GO before and was watching this, I noticed that I was using only 1 or max 2 processor out of 4, and even those were running in 30% 😄 Now I'm using around 60-80% and my performance is double!


Kasperi, all good, but you went further than you needed to with a couple of things, you can keep it simple and accomplish the same results.

XTU suggestions are good, and don't let the naysayers rain on the 10% performance improvement as negligible, every little bit helps, and Intel designed the CPU to run at these max multiplier settings - it downgrades it by default as most installations don't have enough cooling to allow the full multiplier performance. You might as well get all the performance you paid for. And, good move undervolting - it will increase the headroom for the OC by reducing the voltage / heat to the minimum needed.

You can likely get more undervolt than -50mV, I have gotten up to -125mV, but if it starts out stable lower, you can increase over time. My JH got a max of -25mV at first, now I can get -60mV stable.

Core parking is really just the Power Plan settings, you changed the registry settings instead of using the Windows Power Plan Advanced dialog, more complex / dangerous than needed.

First, uninstall Asus Power4Gear, it puts it's own plans in - like when switching from AC to battery and back, which means you have to manually go and set it to the power plan you really want running. Best to uninstall P4G and reboot before doing these settings.

Balanced Power Plan - what I usually run, except for benchmarking or high performance.

Setting the Processor Min/Max to 0%/100% allows downclocking of the CPU when not under load - reducing core temp during idle - and drawing less power. Also, setting Max to 99% turns off Turbo mode, and keeps power draw low on battery.

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For High Performance, force the CPU to run all the time at max speed, 100%/100%, on battery I still let it drop down to 5% - which I can override if needed.

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For GPU tuning, you can use the Asus GPU Tweaking tool for Laptops to set Fan speed to max (needed on Optimus G750's to cool GPU), and use MSI Afterburner for tuning the OC. On the JW/JX/JH you can just use Asus GPU Tweaking tool for Graphics cards to do it all. That version also has GPU-Z linked in for temp / speed monitoring.

Asus GPU Tweak for Laptops vs Asus GPU Tweak for Graphics Cards
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?45644-Asus-GPU-Tweak-for-Laptops-vs-Asus-GPU-Tweak-for-Grap...

MSI Afterburner
http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm

GPU-Z Asus ROG theme
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/2359/techpowerup-gpu-z-v0-7-8-w-asus-rog-skin/

You did a good job finding the info with google, but if you had searched here, in this G750 forum, you would have found everything you needed as above.

The JZ is awesome, and putting the time in to master how to get the best out of it is most important - there are lots of people that miss the point and return them due to getting Intel GPU performance, and get frustrated at figuring out how to make the most out of their Optimus laptop - JM/JS/JZ, I wish Asus would put together a video to include with the laptop to train people how to do all of these tweaks. The JW/JX/JH are more straight forward, but the JM/JS/JZ can be optimized to perform at least as well.

hmscott wrote:

For GPU tuning, you can use the Asus GPU Tweaking tool for Laptops to set Fan speed to max (needed on Optimus G750's to cool GPU), and use MSI Afterburner for tuning the OC. On the JW/JX/JH you can just use Asus GPU Tweaking tool for Graphics cards to do it all. That version also has GPU-Z linked in for temp / speed monitoring.


Hey hmscott and everybody else thanks alot for the tips.

"set fan speed to max" caught my eye, because if I do it in GPU Tweak the rpm on the fan goes from 2000ish to 25.5k rpm and sounds like a jet engine. Is there any other program I can use to set it not as high?

Also I've been using these tips and tweaks for a couple of days now works really well and all, but If I have a longer playing session and then close the game for watching a stream on twith och some movie the cpu temp stays really high(around 72-75degrees), and I have -59.57mV as kasperi recommended earlier, should I go even lower?

Edit: ye watching a 1080p clip on youtube makes the cpu temp spike to 95-99 degrees, and stay there until I pause it.

Thanks again.

So I did some looking around, and found another guy with the same problem, spiking temperatures and high cpu load,I removed the dvd program and looked for background proccesses that might screw things up for me.

Still the same. Here's a picture of the temps from a couple of mins ago, I'm too afraid to do a stresstest because of how it looks.
http://www58.zippyshare.com/v/61943277/file.html

This is on High performance with the same changes as hmscott posted earlier.

The gpu is not OC'ed, utorrent is not downloading anything and the temps stay the same when I shut it down. This is really frustrating, im in a room that's about 22degrees the idle temp shouldn't be at 50-60 degrees and spiking to 85ish when opening new tabs in chrome or starting programs like skype. Constant fan noise would be okey, but now its quiet and goes up for about 10-15 seconds when I click on something.

Could there be a problem with the coolingsystem? As this is still a really new laptop I can call the place I bought it and trade it for another like the JX. Which sounds really tempting right now as I will be using this laptop in school and can't have it making alot of noise as soons as I open word or such.

Thanks for any input.

Vanility wrote:
So I did some looking around, and found another guy with the same problem, spiking temperatures and high cpu load,I removed the dvd program and looked for background proccesses that might screw things up for me.

Still the same. Here's a picture of the temps from a couple of mins ago, I'm too afraid to do a stresstest because of how it looks.
http://www58.zippyshare.com/v/61943277/file.html

This is on High performance with the same changes as hmscott posted earlier.

The gpu is not OC'ed, utorrent is not downloading anything and the temps stay the same when I shut it down. This is really frustrating, im in a room that's about 22degrees the idle temp shouldn't be at 50-60 degrees and spiking to 85ish when opening new tabs in chrome or starting programs like skype. Constant fan noise would be okey, but now its quiet and goes up for about 10-15 seconds when I click on something.

Could there be a problem with the coolingsystem? As this is still a really new laptop I can call the place I bought it and trade it for another like the JX. Which sounds really tempting right now as I will be using this laptop in school and can't have it making alot of noise as soons as I open word or such.

Thanks for any input.


Vanility, the JS/JM heat issues have been annoying, with guys swapping several times to get one with lower than typical temps. The JW/JX/JH were normally all cool running with occasional hot ones, but swapping them usually got a good one without many needing to swap again. And, RMA'ing got a fix for the cooling - I haven't seen any reports on RMA'd JM/JS coming back yet with improved cooling.

It's hard to say, if you want the Optimus battery improvements, then stick with the JM/JS/JZ and swap till you get a good one, or if you don't need to extra battery time (or can afford to buy an extra battery or two) then go with the JW/JX/JH if you can still find one.

As an FYI, if you should be running the Balanced Power Plan, so the CPU can cool down in between loads - setting CPU Min/max to 0%/100% that will allow the CPU to cool off and avoid some of the fan spin ups you are seeing every time you do something - although with this situation it might not matter much 🙂

Let us know how it goes 🙂