ASUS G750JY... a slap in the face to G751 owners?

[Richdog]

I mean seriously, ASUS are bringing out a new version of an old and classic design with a 980M, that I am sure they are aware people prefer (otherwise logially why release an old design?) due to the sleek back design and white keyboard keys that are easier to see and read? Can they have any more contempt for their customers, ie: G51 owners? Absolutely bizarre. :confused:

Info here http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/G750JY/

So yeah, I am now really annoyed as I would have loved to buy a laptop with that design and the G751 specification...

[Sagi]

I like the new look as well.. BUT!

I'm not a fan of having to RMA it because of 6-7 things that are not working like they should - They seriously need to do better with their quality control..

Oh ye.. Perhaps 1 more thing - Those extra keys they added (steam, shadowplay etc) is placed in the worst possible area of they keyboard it could be!

Other then that, it's a great laptop :rolleyes:

[peusa]

Sagi wrote:
I like the new look as well.. BUT!

I'm not a fan of having to RMA it because of 6-7 things that are not working like they should - They seriously need to do better with their quality control..

Oh ye.. Perhaps 1 more thing - Those extra keys they added (steam, shadowplay etc) is placed in the worst possible area of they keyboard it could be!

Other then that, it's a great laptop :rolleyes:

Tell me about those keys - whenever you want to press Escape, you press Shadowplay... whoever designed that is braindead.

[NitroX]

@peusa: Hmm... I don't know how those buttons affect you but for me they aren't an issue. I just keep my shadowplay running all the time and when I'm gaming, if I accidentally press the "Shadowplay button" then the worst thing that may happen is to start recording :). Just don't keep the shadowplay disabled, because then you will get that annoying pop-up to launch the app and it will minimize your game.

[peusa]

@NitroX Sure - obviously there are ways to deal with this... what I am trying to say is that you shouldn't be dealing with stuff like that when you spend $3000 for laptop. We are all voting with our wallets and we shouldn't vote yes to half-baked idiocy like that.

Like non-removable battery on laptop - I get why Apple did it - they have retail stores all around the globe and they simply can't allow their representatives in those store to be busy with supporting all kinds of use cases that come up when customer is allowed to change the battery. Plus, they have cult like following which is OK to shell out $700 every 2 years to replace the phone anyway.

On the other hand ASUS doesn't have retail stores all around the globe, overhead associated with that, and laptop costs $3000 - so when they get into "let's put non-removable battery so that people are more likely to buy new model" money milking - of course I am upset. And you should be too.

[ldelczeg]

i don't know guys, i read many bad optimus things but after 3 years hating it i think it is still a very usable thing and i would like to have.
So iris pro+980m i like more than just 980m. Dedicated vga generates more heat than iris pro alone. IrisPro adds heat to the cpu. Should be no problem in separately cooled dedicated gpu. 980M renders all imigaes to iris pro framebuffer, so you can use the iris pro to enhance the finished image. Could done all post-process stuff on intel vga which reduces loads on nvidia. So more headroom for nv to shine. battery life is reasonable. on my 1215n from 2 hours to 3. extra one hour battery is very nice. Intel`s Haswell and all later models will suffer from overheating by themselves. if you find a right tool for vga bios mode than bios upgrades are safer with optimus. If nv vga not boots up, no problem intel`s vga will do anyway so you can re-flash old/safe bios. These are just some facts i found out by myself. Buggy software support from some game developers will happen anyway, with optimus without optimus. having a 4860hq cpu in a gaming machine with iris pro disabled has no meaning at all. I am not payed guy to say it. So for me g750 with 980M+optimus is better then g751jy. The thing what it hurts me the missing 1080p ips screen. Would be nice to have it in g750 as well. I thik disabling optimus is a choice when you have sli, which not happens now on Asus g751 series.

[hmscott]

ldelczeg wrote:
i don't know guys, i read many bad optimus things but after 3 years hating it i think it is still a very usable thing and i would like to have.
So iris pro+980m i like more than just 980m. Dedicated vga generates more heat than iris pro alone. IrisPro adds heat to the cpu. Should be no problem in separately cooled dedicated gpu. 980M renders all imigaes to iris pro framebuffer, so you can use the iris pro to enhance the finished image. Could done all post-process stuff on intel vga which reduces loads on nvidia. So more headroom for nv to shine. battery life is reasonable. on my 1215n from 2 hours to 3. extra one hour battery is very nice. Intel`s Haswell and all later models will suffer from overheating by themselves. if you find a right tool for vga bios mode than bios upgrades are safer with optimus. If nv vga not boots up, no problem intel`s vga will do anyway so you can re-flash old/safe bios. These are just some facts i found out by myself. Buggy software support from some game developers will happen anyway, with optimus without optimus. having a 4860hq cpu in a gaming machine with iris pro disabled has no meaning at all. I am not payed guy to say it. So for me g750 with 980M+optimus is better then g751jy. The thing what it hurts me the missing 1080p ips screen. Would be nice to have it in g750 as well. I thik disabling optimus is a choice when you have sli, which not happens now on Asus g751 series.

ldelczeg, you will also miss Nvidia G-sync, as Optimus / Intel GPU doesn't support it. No faster external monitor refresh support than 60hz, no 120hz, no 144hz, no 3D, etc. No support for special devices like Occulus VR, and no support for other Nvidia services that depend on direct connection to the monitor, internal and external.

[ldelczeg]

As long as i know, i dont miss G-sync, i dont know if currently supported but adaptive sync will be supported by intel, however here simply not applies as intel vga renders data from memory (like a film pic by pic). Occulus VR is future for me and at the moment i am not in the mood to vomit every day as users reported it. External connection directly to nvidia was always supported trough dsub or hdmi connectors on the laptops. the name of it can be changed but usually intel vga has the analog output while nvidia has the digital one. Sorry but i think you have some miss-informations about optimus. Nvidia experience software cause more problems than solves at the moment as game optimizations by it usually less then the user made ones, this is what i saw on the internet. I dont know too much about other nvidia services but to mention for cuda i think you need an nvidia gpu and not a must to be connected to display.
In short i do not see your points.

[ldelczeg]

Just to continue, as i said for long time i had idea as optmius is some kind of drawback.
I purchased Asus 1215n shortly after appeared, and 1 year after i bought it Nvidia stopped to support it. I could install newer vga drivers but even
control panel would not open it as says: Display is not connected.
Having this kind of features build in, i am afraid to think and rely more on Nvidia services.
The laptop had come with 2 year guarantee period, but as i said this is Nvidia issue not Asus.

[hmscott]

ldelczeg wrote:
As long as i know, i dont miss G-sync, i dont know if currently supported but adaptive sync will be supported by intel, however here simply not applies as intel vga renders data from memory (like a film pic by pic). Occulus VR is future for me and at the moment i am not in the mood to vomit every day as users reported it. External connection directly to nvidia was always supported trough dsub or hdmi connectors on the laptops. the name of it can be changed but usually intel vga has the analog output while nvidia has the digital one. Sorry but i think you have some miss-informations about optimus. Nvidia experience software cause more problems than solves at the moment as game optimizations by it usually less then the user made ones, this is what i saw on the internet. I dont know too much about other nvidia services but to mention for cuda i think you need an nvidia gpu and not a must to be connected to display.
In short i do not see your points.

Here are a few samples of the joys of Optimus and external monitors:

Issue on ASUS G750JS to external AOC G2460PQU 144hz gaming monitor
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?55241-Issue-on-ASUS-G750JS-to-external-AOC-G2460PQU-144hz-g...

ROG G750JZ connected to ROG SWIFT PG278Q
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?51653-ROG-G750JZ-connected-to-ROG-SWIFT-PG278Q

G750JZ External Monitor Support - 120/144hz
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?51095-G750JZ-External-Monitor-Support-120-144hz

But, maybe the G750JY and the newer Intel CPU/GPU will work? If you do get one, please let us know 🙂

Here are some more Optimus trials and tribulations, the temperature increase from heating up the Intel CPU with the onboard iGPU.

Things to try ~CPU overheating JM/JS/JZ models~
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?48594-Things-to-try-CPU-overheating-JM-JS-JZ-models

There were hundreds of posts about the Optimus over heating in the G750JM/JS/JZ series, that is a good summary to read.

You may not know what you think you know about Optimus, but the many owners of the ROG JM/JS/JZ that have problems do.

There are many who have the JM/JS/JZ that are happy, it takes a certain usage profile to push the temps up, and some don't notice it. Those that do notice posted their woes.

I wonder if Nvidia DSR will work with Optimus?

But, again, maybe the G750JY will be ok... only time will tell.

[ldelczeg]

No offense on what you posted, but as you get one post over yours you can see as they talk about 10 degree changes as the memory modules changed to a low voltage one.
The posts for sure will not contains all details, but problems occurs often. If you count 100 of errors over 10k sold ROG laptop make a call (not counted other laptop makers product with optimus support).
I never tested the digital output, but the laptop builders will know more than those who uses.
As for a notice direct connected to the Nvidia card all problems should go to Nvidia, keyword direct.
The was some laptops with BIOS switchable graphics, yeah problems occurred still they solved somehow.
Physical switches/buttons would be also a solution. These are just simple things. To prove things which works or not works you know as well
that a correct test should be done with as similar systems as possible to find the problems. Software`s and hardware`s are far from perfect, when they release them, manufacturers usually release a white-book or how it is called where you can find most of the details, also errors. On haswell CPU release Intel acknowledged some tens of errors on the cpu. Are you sure to know all detail changes between ROG JM/JS/JZ to ROG JY/JT/etc i dont know all the models.
I have a Clevo laptop in the house with optimus enabled GTX 765m. The CPU overheats with nv enabled without. However settings can be enforced trough windows settings or custom programs like INTEL XTU. Not to mention that some features like vPro support was not in stock bios. Clevo was aware of overheating and they stated clearly: Intel said cpu has 47w tdp so the cooling was engineered for that amount. But if you check on XTU the CPU-s has 2 step turbos with max heat generation topped around 75 w for 4800mq (should be similar for all 4xxxMQ and HQ series with hd4600 igp). So there is many possibile breaking points, settings and environmental effects.
It is normal if you turn off one of the heat-generators you have to deal with less heat.