ASUS G750JY... a slap in the face to G751 owners?

[Richdog]

I mean seriously, ASUS are bringing out a new version of an old and classic design with a 980M, that I am sure they are aware people prefer (otherwise logially why release an old design?) due to the sleek back design and white keyboard keys that are easier to see and read? Can they have any more contempt for their customers, ie: G51 owners? Absolutely bizarre. :confused:

Info here http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/G750JY/

So yeah, I am now really annoyed as I would have loved to buy a laptop with that design and the G751 specification...

[Joystick]

hmscott wrote:
And, the back-slap is... drum-roll... the G750JY has Optimus.

Why would they take the best thing about the G751, no Optimus, and take the best thing about the 980m, 8GB VRAM, and slap them together.

And don't forget, the G751 has a non-removable battery, and the G750 likely still has a removable battery.

Making it the worst of the best, and the best of the worst all at the same time 🙂

Yep, it's a complicated world.

In one corner G751JY: no Optimus, 4GB GDDR5, M.2 PCIe SSD + SATA II (3Gb/s), imbalanced sound problem, the usual WD's problem of "usb incompatibility" (I mean G74 had already similar problems), impossible to see in the sunlight red keys, no removable battery (which is great when you have to unplug the notebook and disconnect the battery), ...

In one corner G750JY: Optimus, 8GB GDDR5, no idea if M.2 PCIe SSD inside, no idea in which country it will be available.

The most ironic thing is Alienware and MSI will not release a M.2 PCIe SSD 17" notebook until i7 Broadwell, so selling G751JY should be an easy job, but now people are reconsidering G751JY purchase because of G750JY. I think somebody at Asus is soon losing his/her job. :rolleyes:

[mavrik]

Lol, what the actual f#@!, I haven't picked up my g751jy from DHL yet! and it's going to cost me $200+ more to send back since it's international shipping... Not that I would.

[tjbc]

Richdog wrote:
. . . Absolutely bizarre. :confused:

Info here http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/G750JY/

So yeah, I am now really annoyed as I would have loved to buy a laptop with that design and the G751 specification...

This kind of stuff is so interesting to me. What do you think the thought process could be?

[Joystick]

tjbc wrote:
This kind of stuff is so interesting to me.

I found a MSI employee!!!

tjbc wrote:
What do you think the thought process could be?

Something like "Ok, we pissed off all Padfone users, in particular Padfone 1, Padfone Infinity and New Padfone Infinity users. Now, how can we do the same thing with ROG?"

[Tindrael]

In Hungary the G750JY is already in stock and available for purchase. The shop is listing the G750JY for $2650 with 4710HQ cpu, 24 GB RAM, 2x128GB SSD and GTX980M 8GB.
The listing says that it has Intel 460HD built in VGA, but the question is, is it active? Probably yes so Optimus makes this laptop inferior compared to the G751JY...at least I dont want another laptop with microstutter and limited display settings.

In my opinin the G751JY for $1850 is a better deal.

[hmscott]

Tindrael wrote:
In Hungary the G750JY is already in stock and available for purchase. The shop is listing the G750JY for $2650 with 4710HQ cpu, 24 GB RAM, 2x128GB SSD and GTX980M 8GB.
The listing says that it has Intel 460HD built in VGA, but the question is, is it active? Probably yes so Optimus makes this laptop inferior compared to the G751JY...at least I dont want another laptop with microstutter and limited display settings.
In my opinin the G751JY for $1850 is a better deal.

Tindrael, wow, that is a big price difference!

Are you on terms with the local sellers, such that you can find out if the Optimus can be disabled by BIOS or switch?

If Optimus can be defeated, then the G750JY has a chance with me, and many others.

I don't think that price differential will be supportable in the long term, the pricing should be much closer.

[Joystick]

hmscott wrote:

Are you on terms with the local sellers, such that you can find out if the Optimus can be disabled by BIOS or switch?
If Optimus can be defeated, then the G750JY has a chance with me, and many others.

I was thinking the same thing, but G750JY is definitely a mSATA notebook, which means 2 things:
1. You're not seeing PCIe speed
2. You're buying a dying technology, which can be good (upgrading cost) or bad (limited evolution).

[hmscott]

Joystick wrote:

I was thinking the same thing, but G750JY is definitely a mSATA notebook, which means 2 things:
1. You're not seeing PCIe speed
2. You're buying a dying technology, which can be good (upgrading cost) or bad (evolution).

Joystick, the G750JH/JZ use M.2 SATA, not mSATA. My performance on the 2 x 128GB SSD RAID0 is higher than the single M.2 PCIE x4 performance. 1060MB/sec vs 900MB/sec. Not a big difference, but certainly not dying technology. The current limitation is free PCIE lanes in the current HM87 express, the next round of chips should allow a 2 x PCIE or even a 4 x PCIE, then the speed will be better.

Unfortunately, the G750JY specifications don't list a 2 x M.2 SATA storage solution, only 2.5" SATA III.
http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/G750JY/specifications/

Hopefully there will be an M.2 SATA version available, the added performance of the 2x RAID0 really makes a performance difference, even with the low end 128GB M.2 SATA parts.

The other likely benefit of the G750JY is that both 2.5" bays will have SATA III. So you could implement a 2 x 2.5" RAID0 for better performance.

[Joystick]

hmscott wrote:
Joystick, the G750JH/JZ use M.2 SATA, not mSATA. My performance on the 2 x 128GB SSD RAID0 is higher than the single M.2 PCIE x4 performance. 1060MB/sec vs 900MB/sec. Not a big difference, but certainly not dying technology. The current limitation is free PCIE lanes in the current HM87 express, the next round of chips should allow a 2 x PCIE or even a 4 x PCIE, then the speed will be better.

Unfortunately, the G750JY specifications don't list a 2 x M.2 SATA storage solution, only 2.5" SATA III.
http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/G750JY/specifications/

Hopefully there will be an M.2 SATA version available, the added performance of the 2x RAID0 really makes a performance difference, even with the low end 128GB M.2 SATA parts.

The other likely benefit of the G750JY is that both 2.5" bays will have SATA III. So you could implement a 2 x 2.5" RAID0 for better performance.

Sorry, I meant M.2 Sata. The theoretical speed of M.2 PCIe is 20Gb/s, your speed is 8480Mb/sec, G751JY is 7200Mb/sec, but G751JY's speed is limited by Samsung XP941's poor specs.

[Joystick]

Tindrael wrote:
In Hungary the G750JY is already in stock and available for purchase. The shop is listing the G750JY for $2650 with 4710HQ cpu, 24 GB RAM, 2x128GB SSD and GTX980M 8GB.
[...]
In my opinin the G751JY for $1850 is a better deal.

G750JY has appeared for pre-order in my country with better specs: i7-4860HQ, 32 GB of RAM, 512GB SSD + 1TB HD, GTX 980M 8GB
Price? Only usd 3110.00 (I can easily build 2 PC with Asus Maximus VII and GTX 970 at this price) and suddenly MSI GT72 PRO is a cheap machine :rolleyes: