Pro WS W790E-SAGE SE

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Hello friends, I ordered the Pro WS W790E-SAGE SE board

 it turned out to be large, it has not yet arrived, and I bought a case for large Cooler Master HAF 700 Evo boards. Will this board fit in this case? In the case description there is support for large EEB boards. I wanted to clarify from you who faced such an assembly.

[restsugavan]

W790 SAGE

First , I apologized to tell you the truth. Do not hurry to upgrade for W790 platform is the better choice for us all.

Emerald Rapid W 64 Core 128 Thread 320MB L3 cache.

W790 platform emerald rapid 64 Core 128 Thread 320 MB L3 cache is the highest platform CPU spec. It will be the shortage life span platform like Icelake W LGA 4189.

Intel XEON Roadmap 2022-2024

 The next platform LGA 7529 coming with Diamond Rapid W 128 Core 256 Thread 445 MB L3 cache will release Q2 2024.  The different between LGA 4677 and LGA 7529 was PCIe 6.0 and CXL 3.0 Topology Bus

Diamond Rapid W LGA 7529 bring us 12 Channal DDR5 8400MT/s and PCIe 6.0 CXL 3.0

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Thanks for your feedback. But I know how Intel works, that almost all their councils have 1-2 generations and that's it. I just need a server here and now. And then I plan to upgrade to threadripper 7-8 series.

[Int8bldr]

Thanks for the update on future intel WS.

questions:

1) is the price per core coming down? Current $100/core that they price the Saphire rapids at, makes the 128 core CPU unobtainable anyway so there is no point waiting and we might as well buy something which is at least potentially obtainable at $2000-$3000 cores or so today - not really obtainable but at least it is no $12000 for a CPU.

2) is intel going to introduce a HEDT like the they did with 109x0 X/XE for x299 at least with these we had a shot at afford them...

My point is that future 128 cores or 64 cores is all good but with $100/core price point it is unobtainable and therefore irrelevant for Enthusiast like us... no reason to hold out and wait if you need a new rig.

[Murph_9000]

I could be wrong, but what I'm seeing from Intel right now is 2 pro workstation tiers and them trying to market that as also-HEDT.  The old HEDT tier doesn't seem to be making a full comeback, as the pro-WS tier was always above it.  I.e. it looks to me like W790 is positioned a bit higher (more expensive) than the old HEDT enthusiast level X299.  Xeon w2400 series are essentially the replacement for the old HEDT Core-X CPUs (but also the lower half of their pro-WS offering), while Xeon w3400 series are a higher tier and very much a direct successor to previous upper end pro-WS Xeon CPUs.

This could easily change if/when AMD choose to re-enter the HEDT market as well, and re-ignite the old competition between non-pro Threadripper and non-pro Xeon (the Core-X CPUs were cut down versions of the Xeon pro workstation CPUs).  The rumours seem to be saying that non-pro Threadripper 7000 is coming later this year.

If you don't need the additional RAM and IO lanes, give serious thought to Ryzen 7950X as a mini-Threadripper.  That's where the affordable HEDT-ish performance is today, in my opinion.  It's not true HEDT, but it is up there in terms of cores/threads running at full performance.

[restsugavan]

1) It far from price down due limited yield of new generation node since Intel 4 to Intel 18A. Intel had plan to utilized TSMC 3nm node for Core i9 / i7 Intel Arrow Lake LGA 1851 on mainstream product coming with Intel 800 Series and 900 Series chipset. It will be 8P (Lion Cove) + 32E ( Skymont) as Core i9 15900K/15700K. 😎

On Workstation and Server CPU Emerald Rapid with limit quantity had sticked with their Intel 7 (10+++ Superfin ) node. 64 Core Max for top model. Ending of LGA 4677 Era shortly. They'll be LGA 7529 series coming soon. The Diamond Rapid W 128P Core 256 Thread 440 L3 cache and Sierra Forest (144 E Core Server) on Intel 4 (7nm EUV) utilized their in-house node. Both going to be expensive over Emerald Rapid at least twice. 😂

2) According to Computex 2023 Taipei. The HEDT segment had no one talking about at all. Only AMD a little bit. Just only these video.

See on the video time stamp 15:27 till ending. No more info about LGA 7529 yet from ASUS staffs. 

[Int8bldr]

So in other words, we have the following choices if we want to upgrade from x299 in 2023:

1. go with the low/under powered 24xx series - and pay almost $100 per core on a "low-end" WS ASUS Sage ACE for $800 (really! $800 for an entry level WS MB) => I fail to see the value proposition in this upgrade from my current x299 with an 18 core CPU. The incremental value with this upgrade is just not there... upgrade will cost $5000 (CPU+DDR+MB...) and what incremental performance do I get for that? nuts!

2. go with a more competent 34xx series CPU at $100+/core but need the more competent MB like ASUS Pro W790 Sage SE to get the PCIe lanes => Unaffordable Enthusiast HEDT, i.e. while the incremental performance (compared to an X299 with 18 cores) will be there with choices of Saphire rapids and Emerald rapids up to 54 cores and 64 cores, BUT at $100++/core, you just get linearly more performance (assuming you can use all cores) with linearly more money. Unobtainable or cannot justify this upgrade even if I can afford it - it's just not worth it. Again, I fail to see the case for this platform for us. corporate niche markets yes but not us.

3. With all due respect, any of the consumer P+E core is just not relevant in the HEDT, lacking P cores, lacking PCIe's, with disabled AVX512, no AMX etc, etc - so that line is dead for me. I frankly do not care one bit about E cores.

4. Waiting 1-2 years for Granit and Dimond rapids and still pay $100++/core or more per core is also a nonstarter. It just means, I get a bit better core but still pay $100++(or more)/core. That means I cannot justify more that 20 cores or so... and I do not see the value and improvement that gives (compared to the X299 with 18 core CPU I have)... I just do not see it.

5. AMD might be the best option I might have honestly. If AMD delivers a thread ripper with options up to 64 cores (e.g. 16, 24, 32, 48, 64 SKUs) with a $/core like they currently are pricing 7950X ($600 at amazon) = $37.5/core - but let's say it would price it at $50/core, then AMD is the better choice. I am hoping for this. A HEDT "thread ripper" with 40+ cores and sufficient PCIe for $2000 would be a winner. It would make me seriously switch away from Intel.

The fundamental problem is that when Intel HEDT moved to x299 and offered 18 cores it was huge jump from previous generation and the pricing was high but still within reach. But the above option 1,2,3,4 continuing with a $100+++/core are all bad upgrade options.

In other words, x299 with a 7980XE or 10980 (18 core) is still going strong, providing more value than option 1-4. Only a SPR, EMR, GRR, DMR price < $50/core would make me consider an Intel upgrade.

Hoping AMD will bring competition and drive down $/core, because Intel will not do it on their own. This might be the time I finally give up on intel and go AMD. last time I was at this decision point intel delivered x299 and I stayed.

[Int8bldr]

replying to both @restsugavan and @Murph_9000 ,

Thanks for your response.

to summarize my view.

At $100++/core there is no point in upgrading from a current x299 with 18 core CPU (7980XE, 10980XE etc) system since the upgrade is a linear per core cost increase + new MB + new RAM = too expensive for HEDT enthusiasts, regardless of it is SPR, EMR, GRP, RRP (no massive step like improvement IPC/core means you need more cores to get stepwise improvement). maintaining or increasing price: $100++/core is simply not working.

x299 is still very much good enough.

The only thing that will change that is an AMD competition like the resent $37.5/core Ryzen 7950X (at amazon: $600 for 16 proper cores) pricing. Apply that to a new Thread ripper priced below $50/core. With a say $50/core, you could get a 40 core thread ripper for $2000and that is an acceptable price point. 

Competition is good. Let's hope. I might switch to AMD this year if intel doesn't step up with a decent HEDT offering with a decent $/core pricing... last time I considered switching was just before x299 came out. I stayed with intel and went with x299 and 18 cores...

[restsugavan]

X299 platform pairing with RTX 4090 must be way to go @Int8bldr  🤗