Mandangalo18 wrote:
So I would be very interested to read about the evidence of it.
It's funny but the evidence for it is all over the place. Right there in your graph which shows solar activity declining while temperatures rise at the end; when even the IPCC has had to admit that global temperatures have fallen over the last 17 years. Prompting hasty explanations pulled out of a hat that the heat that is entirely missing from the data has "gone to the bottom of the oceans". Where is this fall (or sorry...in IPCC language lack of growth) in that graph?
Besides, who says solar activity this week or this year influences temperature this week or this year when talking global average....no one of any reputable scientific standing....etc etc.
I won't go on in this thread. I posted the link to a documentary earlier in this thread I think people would find interesting...it has different graphs. While I certainly wouldn't take them as gospel either it just goes to show that you can get models and graphs that show what you want from the very same poor collection of data.
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2012/02/06/the-sun-o-inconstant-star/At the end of the day we all have to decide to think critically or follow the herd. The evidence for the perversion of science in this field is there and will of course come out slowly over the next 10 20 50 300 1000 years. Since it is over these later time-scales that climate change will be measured.
As for your bullet points they are entirely incorrect.
There has been no warming in the troposphere it has been at the surface which is where warming from the sun happens. Uniform warming of the atmosphere is not what would be expected. The weather balloon data is quite clear on this though now there is a frenzy to try and take these direct measurements and manipulate them with wind speed proxies etc. etc.
More warming during winter months?!:confused: percentage wise or something? and percentage of what? falling temperatures for nearly the last two decades? This
is attributed to the sun by the IPCC but any warming not?!? I'd like to know a place where it gets warmer in winter on this planet.
Basically the science is not done but the conclusions are in and the policy decisions being made on them.
Any scientist worth their salt will tell you that the state of our climate knowledge, temperature measurements, modelling etc. etc. is pitiful...and far from any real understanding. That is not what you hear from certain politicians or the bought and paid for media who have zero understanding of any of this.
Anyone who dares to say this is subject to a witch hunt and would have been burned at the stake a few hundred years ago.
Society simply has not moved on..it is an illusion to think it has...the parallel with flat earth is perfectly valid. As was pointed out many knew the earth was round..it was and is common sense. You just stand on the beach for five minutes. Same with temperature on this planet...you just stand in the sun for five minutes.
Which I'm going to do now with a cool beer...nice talking with you guys as always!..over and out.:D