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I've never overclocked before and thought I'd start by overclocking the memory. I need some help mapping what the Ryzen DRAM Calculator (v 1.62):
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/
says I should use to the fields in my X570 Crosshair VIII Hero's BIOS.
Currently, everything related to overclocking in the BIOS is the default "Auto" except that I've set it to use the D.O.C.P. profile in the memory.
Into the DRAM Calculator, I've entered what I believe to be the correct values for my system:
(My memory consists of two banks of G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GTZ DDR4, so that's where much of the above comes from)
I hit the purple "R-XMP" button at the bottom and it grabbed the timing information from my memory to complete the left column. I then hit the green "Calculate SAFE" button to get safe overclocking values.
I've managed to map the center values on the Calculator's "Main" page (the t... timings) to values in my BIOS. But, I'm at a loss for about half of the values in the right column. Could someone point me in the right direction for finding the place to set the following Recommended values in my BIOS?
Then, there's the Calculator's "Advanced" page where I can't find anything equivalent in my BIOS. Ditto for its "Power Supply System" page. I'd appreciate any help there, too. I've included screenshot of those pages since there's too much to type here.
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/
says I should use to the fields in my X570 Crosshair VIII Hero's BIOS.
Currently, everything related to overclocking in the BIOS is the default "Auto" except that I've set it to use the D.O.C.P. profile in the memory.
Into the DRAM Calculator, I've entered what I believe to be the correct values for my system:
- Processor: "Ryzen 2 gen" (which should be my Zen2 3700X)
- Memory Type: Samsung B-die (I'm pretty sure - RAMMon says Samsung, the web says b-die)
- Profile version: V1 (that's what people say to use)
- Memory Rank: 1 (ditto)
- Frequency (MT/s): 3200 (that's what the memory is rated for, so I used it as the safest)
- BCLK: 100 (unchanged in BIOS)
- DIMM Modules: 2
- Motherboard: X570
(My memory consists of two banks of G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GTZ DDR4, so that's where much of the above comes from)
I hit the purple "R-XMP" button at the bottom and it grabbed the timing information from my memory to complete the left column. I then hit the green "Calculate SAFE" button to get safe overclocking values.
I've managed to map the center values on the Calculator's "Main" page (the t... timings) to values in my BIOS. But, I'm at a loss for about half of the values in the right column. Could someone point me in the right direction for finding the place to set the following Recommended values in my BIOS?
- DRAM Voltage: 1.35
- SOC VOltage: 1.025
- cLDO VDDG Voltage : 0.900
- cLDO VDDP Voltage: 0.900
- BGS: Disabled
Then, there's the Calculator's "Advanced" page where I can't find anything equivalent in my BIOS. Ditto for its "Power Supply System" page. I'd appreciate any help there, too. I've included screenshot of those pages since there's too much to type here.
I recommend poking around in the Advanced Tab in Bios scroll down to the bottom "AMD Overclocking" where you will be greeted with a prompt to accept. You'll be greeted with 8 subtopics. VDDP & VDDG Voltage Control among them and I suspect all you are missing can be found there.
There is another alternative to adjusting VDDP & VDDG which is using Ryzen Master. The only problem I have with it is we have no idea what all the changes it makes other than what we manually adjust through the app. I know this much, I can run my system at 4450 all cores which are 3hrs Real Bench Stress Test stable by making two changes in the app but the same two change made to the bios fails to boot. To me that is a clear indication there is way more going on there than we see.
This may also answer the question of which SOC voltage to change. It makes sense to me to change the VDDCR SOC voltage other than system-wide SOC.
To be clear, I'm still on 1105 bios and unless I find a compelling reason to update to 1201 I will stick with it.
In any case, this is my effort to avoid confusion.
I understand release notes indicate " Update auto-rules for CPU and Memory overclocking" but we are not using auto are we?
Of course, there is always the unknown that may prove valuable so I never say never.
I've been overclocking for 20+ years and as a rule of thumb, I never update bios unless I need to. Back when you could replace the EPROM chip too. I even had Tski program a chip and send it to me once for an NF4 board.
I want to thank you @ationfictons for all the effort you have put forth here and offer you whatever input I can to help see it all to a successful end.
I too am looking to dot all my i's and cross all my t's before committing the tuned timings to bios and testing.
Suffice to say, I have a vested interest.
I'm working with Trident Z NEO memory specifically F4-3600C16Q-32GTZN
Using Thaiphoon my memory shows up as DJR which is not an available option in the drop-down menu. Imagine my concern so, I reached out to 1usmus through twitter and he responded within 2 days. I have no personal relationship with him/her and was quite grateful for the reply. Turns out we can use the "Hynix CJR" option when DJR parts are detected. Although I remain a bit skeptical I feel a bit better proceeding.
At this point I will continue working on the unanswered question so maybe we can cleanup post 2
I think I found CAD_BUS settings
Advanced>AMD CBS
I found VPP Voltage setting but in an unconventional way.
From In Bios tap "F9" type in "VPP" in the resulting dialog enter the value desired.
I think VDDCR may be adjusted by a CPU offset voltage vs an actual enty in bios. ATM I don't have a tool to monitor changes so I cannot be sure.
There is another alternative to adjusting VDDP & VDDG which is using Ryzen Master. The only problem I have with it is we have no idea what all the changes it makes other than what we manually adjust through the app. I know this much, I can run my system at 4450 all cores which are 3hrs Real Bench Stress Test stable by making two changes in the app but the same two change made to the bios fails to boot. To me that is a clear indication there is way more going on there than we see.
This may also answer the question of which SOC voltage to change. It makes sense to me to change the VDDCR SOC voltage other than system-wide SOC.
To be clear, I'm still on 1105 bios and unless I find a compelling reason to update to 1201 I will stick with it.
In any case, this is my effort to avoid confusion.
I understand release notes indicate " Update auto-rules for CPU and Memory overclocking" but we are not using auto are we?
Of course, there is always the unknown that may prove valuable so I never say never.
I've been overclocking for 20+ years and as a rule of thumb, I never update bios unless I need to. Back when you could replace the EPROM chip too. I even had Tski program a chip and send it to me once for an NF4 board.
I want to thank you @ationfictons for all the effort you have put forth here and offer you whatever input I can to help see it all to a successful end.
I too am looking to dot all my i's and cross all my t's before committing the tuned timings to bios and testing.
Suffice to say, I have a vested interest.
I'm working with Trident Z NEO memory specifically F4-3600C16Q-32GTZN
Using Thaiphoon my memory shows up as DJR which is not an available option in the drop-down menu. Imagine my concern so, I reached out to 1usmus through twitter and he responded within 2 days. I have no personal relationship with him/her and was quite grateful for the reply. Turns out we can use the "Hynix CJR" option when DJR parts are detected. Although I remain a bit skeptical I feel a bit better proceeding.
At this point I will continue working on the unanswered question so maybe we can cleanup post 2
I think I found CAD_BUS settings
Advanced>AMD CBS
I found VPP Voltage setting but in an unconventional way.
From In Bios tap "F9" type in "VPP" in the resulting dialog enter the value desired.
I think VDDCR may be adjusted by a CPU offset voltage vs an actual enty in bios. ATM I don't have a tool to monitor changes so I cannot be sure.
The results are from testing the Ryzen Dram Calculator Fast Settings on Samsung b-die certified 4133 at various speeds.
Ryzen 3900x with Ram 2x8 PVR416G413C9K https://viper.patriotmemory.com/products/viper-rgb-performance-memory
DDR4@3600
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/22489520
3600 Full Profile Fast Settings - https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZatkbkZg3rGEq2TbJSAIERJadVA054CDVu7
DDR4@3666
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/22489047
3666 Full Profile Fast Settings - https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZ46kbkZWsv4RGV87nFixqBRMij2fV3PAKLV
DDR4@3733
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/22488174
3733 Full Profile Fast Settings - https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZb6kbkZTJB0c77Yq1RvSJkdg8A4cLE6NIXV
DDR4@3800
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/22490645
3800 Full Profile Fast Settings - https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZB6kbkZ16ahvhHU0sRtktVMx9tiXuKiEzRV
Notes:-
I have attached the full profile bios settings for each speed and made adjustments to some from the calculators suggestions. I run my system DDR4@3600 Fast Profile (daily driver) and I did stability test every profile prior to posting (they all work in my system, yours maybe different story bla bla bla no warranties this works for you / at your own risk).
Strangely the M2 nvme drive speed was affected in some of the runs, with 3600 & 3800 passes being the exceptions.
If anyone has ideas to why or what to adjust to get more consistent speed from M2 nvme across testing. I would be very interested.
Did not bother with certified 4100 @ 4133 DOCP profiles or faster clocks, maybe in the future.
Hope this might be of help to the more adventurous of us.
Ryzen 3900x with Ram 2x8 PVR416G413C9K https://viper.patriotmemory.com/products/viper-rgb-performance-memory
DDR4@3600
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/22489520
3600 Full Profile Fast Settings - https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZatkbkZg3rGEq2TbJSAIERJadVA054CDVu7
DDR4@3666
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/22489047
3666 Full Profile Fast Settings - https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZ46kbkZWsv4RGV87nFixqBRMij2fV3PAKLV
DDR4@3733
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/22488174
3733 Full Profile Fast Settings - https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZb6kbkZTJB0c77Yq1RvSJkdg8A4cLE6NIXV
DDR4@3800
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/22490645
3800 Full Profile Fast Settings - https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZB6kbkZ16ahvhHU0sRtktVMx9tiXuKiEzRV
Notes:-
I have attached the full profile bios settings for each speed and made adjustments to some from the calculators suggestions. I run my system DDR4@3600 Fast Profile (daily driver) and I did stability test every profile prior to posting (they all work in my system, yours maybe different story bla bla bla no warranties this works for you / at your own risk).
Strangely the M2 nvme drive speed was affected in some of the runs, with 3600 & 3800 passes being the exceptions.
If anyone has ideas to why or what to adjust to get more consistent speed from M2 nvme across testing. I would be very interested.
Did not bother with certified 4100 @ 4133 DOCP profiles or faster clocks, maybe in the future.
Hope this might be of help to the more adventurous of us.
