i actually did give himr rep for that after reading this entire thread... I think its a good deal to do with the 7970s I know my personal experience with the catalyst control center have mostly been negative. not allowing an update to operate ( i updated to 12.4 and 12.3 6 times before they even went into effect. kept telling me i needed to update to it when i already did sveral times.) but i have heard alot of bad about ati drivers. and i had the gtx 280 went to a radeon 5670 and now theres a 680 in the mail for me. only 7970 i considered was the matrix just to be a rog fanboy or the 6gb venom cuz its the only card that outdoes a gtx680.