Why updated OROM's included in BIOS updates may be important

[RickROG]

Here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/

SSD TRIM Command on RAID 0 Possible - With A Few Riders
Intel made it possible for SSDs to utilize the TRIM command feature when striped in RAID 0, provided a few meaty requirements are met. The TRIM command feature works to minimize write performance degradation on SSDs, but thus far it has been impossible to enable the feature on any other host controller mode than standalone AHCI, due to the manner in which the feature works at a physical level.
According to a report, TRIM over RAID 0 will be made possible with Windows 8 operating system, provided the system is running an Intel 7-series chipset (such as Z77 Express), has RAID BIOS (Option ROM) version 11.5 or higher, and Rapid Storage Technology (RST) device driver version 11.5 or higher. While obtaining the required Windows and driver versions is relatively easy, the RAID Option ROM version is in the hands of motherboard manufacturers, who have to release motherboard BIOS updates that include the required RAID Option ROM updates.

I know it's rehashing complaints/beefs throughout the forum, but, I just don't understand why it is the motherboard manufacturers just will not officially keep the various OROMS up to date with the latest official OROMs released by the OEMs.
That said, it is especially disappointing that ASUS will not even keep there own Asmedia ROMs current with the latest update. I mean this is there child-the buck stops with them on this. The Asmedia SATA 3 chip is garbage, but, a deligent effort to improve it through ROM/software R&D/release may lessen the adverse impact.
If the OEM is providing an official BIOS update anyways why not include all the latest OROMs-everything else being equal. The one in the modded 2105b makes a nice difference on my-and many other-systems.
I personally could not care less about Windows 8; will not allow it to run on my system ever in its current release-absolutely hate it-ME/Vista all over again-which I did not buy either. I understand the need though for manufacturers to support it sooner rather than later. However, is not the same true for all the current unrepaired bugs/issues on what they have already sold. It just amazes me how fast all their PR/marketing/R&D engines go into high gear to spotlight a new component release, devote huge resources to complementing distribution/sales/adoption, while allocating the released hardware needs to the backburner-almost like "when we get a chance" kind of attitude.
I may be wrong on a lot of this, I don't know. I'm sure, though, my perception here mirrors the majority.

[RickROG]

Raja@ASUS wrote:
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(Z77, P67, Z68 where there is support)....:)

...everything but the x79; amazing!

[Unixsystem]

While I can see as to why RSTe RAID ROM v3.2.0.1022 was not released in the new 2105 bios; the fact that its running v3.0.0.1184 is no excuse because RSTe RAID ROM v3.1.0.2101 has been out for a long long time now and was never updated to it.

[Raja]

Probably did not validate. There's always a reason. 🙂

My last post now as these OROM threads never go anywhere decent. It's like arguing religion.

[RickROG]

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[Nodens]

Unixsystem wrote:
For example, I see this as an assumption......

Ok, I will quote below the relevant parts:

Regarding the testing process and the rate of testing. The comment about the change of rate shows that no more manpower/money/workhours will be going towards that direction anytime soon.

Raja@ASUS wrote:

OROM updates are never made until they are verified by HQ. The rate at which it's done won't change as far as I am aware. Thus far the OROM updates for relevant boards over the past 12 months have been delivered (Z77, P67, Z68 where there is support) just at a pace that works for the guys validating things. So I don't see why this should current OROM and IRST situation be any different. If it's compatible it will be done, but not before time.

Regarding the testing process and timeframe again:

Raja@ASUS wrote:

As for which OROM Intel pulled, I was referring to why we don't jump on the updates as quickly as you'd like us to, not about which version was pulled. Just because Intel release something does not mean it is immediately ready for mass release. It's up to the sub-vendor to qualify it, and that can take time.

Regarding the testing process once more:

Raja@ASUS wrote:
Probably did not validate. There's always a reason. 🙂

EDIT: What I did was just analyze general known facts and facts taken from the official posts and summarize it so someone can easily understand. Far too many people read posts fast or while being angry, missing the points given and that is obvious by the posts following those official posts. I believe if people understand better they can judge on their own. But when people are angry they don't concentrate, read or analyze properly (that is scientifically proven, it's due to certain chemicals released in the brain :))

[Sonny]

I'm always amazed that people want to adopt new OS's early when they are in their beta (pre release) phases and feel entitled to get updates to support everything they have. I mean, you are using something before it's out for sale, it HAS NOT been released for people to use yet, there is absolutely no reason to be complaining and putting down a company for not supporting a beta that less than 1% of their customer base will be using. If this were after windows 8 officially releases then by all means, complain, but right now, all this complaining is just ridiculous.

Betas are released for testing and for developers to work on releasing things like this in time for launch, not for people to use and complain that not everything is working yet 😛

[UserX]

Sonny wrote:
I'm always amazed that people want to adopt new OS's early when they are in their beta (pre release) phases and feel entitled to get updates to support everything they have. I mean, you are using something before it's out for sale, it HAS NOT been released for people to use yet, there is absolutely no reason to be complaining and putting down a company for not supporting a beta that less than 1% of their customer base will be using. If this were after windows 8 officially releases then by all means, complain, but right now, all this complaining is just ridiculous.

Betas are released for testing and for developers to work on releasing things like this in time for launch, not for people to use and complain that not everything is working yet 😛

If I stated what you have, to my customers, I wouldn't have any. My software company is up to date with all our programs which are fully functional in the "Retail" version of Windows 8.

Anyway, the current Option ROM is considered way out of date for Windows 7, much less Windows 8.

Sorry if I sound blunt, I'm a bit worn. This is more than likely my last post on this subject anyway. I took an earlier post from "Shamino" as stating that ASUS was not going to release any OROM updates.

"Shamino
in the past , people have updated roms before, corrupted their data and tried to sue for damages.
so no more. "

After looking at it again , it appears to be stating that more care will be taken before the releases. Either way I'm done, thanks for letting me say my piece.

P.S.
I am running Windows 8 Retail, not the BETA. It has been released for some time, not to the public but to developers.

[nikecmh]

I remember back in the day when they had these things called BETA's for bios updates. I wish I could still find them on Geocities but my Netscape Navigator keeps crashing.

Honestly, tag it beta and call it a day or is it going into the wild in October untested. You can't update the whole bios scheme to CAP, add a bunch of Windows 8 options to it and have the other hand say October. Clearly you should have waited on those also. Not like this board alone costs as much as a new computer from Dell or anything...

Windows 7 is out now by the way 😃

[Sonny]

UserX wrote:
If I stated what you have, to my customers, I wouldn't have any. My software company is up to date with all our programs which are fully functional in the "Retail" version of Windows 8.

Anyway, the current Option ROM is considered way out of date for Windows 7, much less Windows 8.

Sorry if I sound blunt, I'm a bit worn. This is more than likely my last post on this subject anyway. I took an earlier post from "Shamino" as stating that ASUS was not going to release any OROM updates.

"Shamino
in the past , people have updated roms before, corrupted their data and tried to sue for damages.
so no more. "

After looking at it again , it appears to be stating that more care will be taken before the releases. Either way I'm done, thanks for letting me say my piece.

P.S.
I am running Windows 8 Retail, not the BETA. It has been released for some time, not to the public but to developers.

What? I don't think you even read what I said, or you reading comprehension just isn't there. That or you have such a high sense of self entitlement that you feel everything should be completely supported for a product that has not been officially released. You said it yourself, it has NOT been released to the public, but to DEVELOPERS. Hint Hint, developers are using it to DEVELOP drivers/software to work on it when it does release. Asus most likely already has driver support done, or close to done, but not released to the public until closer to the actual release (unless it is leaked somewhere)

You won't have any customers left if you don't completely support a product that is not publicly availible to your customers yet? Really? I want to drive a fuel cell car prototype that might be officially released in 2018, damn those car companies for not giving me access to something that will be released in the future and isn't out yet! Give me that prototype NOW! oh, my 2012 car doesn't have the features that are going to be added to the 2014 model! Damn them what a terrible company treating their customers badly by not giving me stuff that isn't out yet! Since they haven't given it to me to use, it must mean they are not putting any effort into developing it and are completely ignoring that technology, right? Of course everything that is being worked on needs to be main fully open source and available to the public before its released, if its not that company is being terrible and deserves to lose all its customers! Great logic there.

I'll say it again. I find people complaining and bitching about not getting full support for an unreleased product that is intended for development and testing rather ridiculous. This is NOT the retail copy, it is the build intended for release given to developers for them to provide that support that you are demanding in time for when it is actually retailed. Is the "retail version" of the iPhone5 out there somewhere? Probably, or something very close. Does it have full app and software support yet? Nope, developers get the retail sample ahead of schedule in order to provide that support. Do they have to give you access to everything they currently have in development? Nope. It's the same for all software/hardware/anything development, there are tons of internal work in progress versions, and some times a company will release some sort of beta for broader testing if they feel it's ready for that, it is not something you are entitled to.

/rant

[R4E3960X]

Do you work at ASUS Sonny? :cool: You did better than other staffs here. 😄 UserX may mean like me and many RIVE users whom adopt 2105 Mod BIOS now. First, on windows 7 sp1 retail OS, Intel ASROCK and now Gigabyte and other brand update their products with lastest BIOS which contain Intel OROM 3.2.0.1022 already, but ASUS not. Second , even Windows 7 SP1 Intel OROM 3.2.0.1022 perform better than old school 3.0.0.1085 since RIVE debut. Third , Intel OROM 3.2.0.1022 compatible with Intel RSTe 3.2.0.1126 quite well but 3.0.0.1085 not . Fourth, on Windows 8 RTM Build 9200 Intel OROM 3.2.0.1022 support TRIMMED but 3.0.0.1085 not support. Fifth, all RIVE owners need optimum performance with there system, thus they're begging ASUS to release official BIOS with new 3.2.0.1022 OROM updated for comparable performance with other brands product right now. Do I and many friends here begging for something wrong? :confused: