stuck every time i boot from off 3930k/RIVE help [solved]

[Cometman]

hello there maybe someone can help here

there could be options on the bios that could solve the problem, the problem is this, my system is stable either 4.5 or 4.6ghz, nice temps, vcore around 1.35v to be stable for intel burn test, cinebench, superpi,3dmark and normal usage(gaming and everyday usage) the problem is when i hard boot the system from off it gets stuck everytime either on the windows loading or when i enter windows it freezes in around 5 seconds, this doesnt happen when i enter the bios change something and then into normal boot, it just boots normally and dont get stuck, i bumped cpu vcore a bit to see if it was from that but the problem persists everytime i boot the system from off, is there any bios option that i could mess whit to help me on this?

any help would be great thanks

[Arne_Saknussemm]

Hey Cometman 🙂

Could you tell us what else you are running in that rig? It might help spot something....particularly RAM.....are you running one single kit of something or trying to run two of the same kits etc.

Also what do you have installed OS AV etc. what BIOS....

[Cometman]

Arne Saknussemm wrote:
Hey Cometman 🙂

Could you tell us what else you are running in that rig? It might help spot something....particularly RAM.....are you running one single kit of something or trying to run two of the same kits etc.

Also what do you have installed OS AV etc. what BIOS....

oh of course
my components:
-3930k watercooled
-RIVE bios 3301 (that is what cpuz tells me)
-GTX 690 watercooled
-16gb Corsair dominator gt 4x4gb kit running at stock 2133mhz 1.5v cl9 on red slots
-Psu Enermax galaxy 1000w
-Corsair Force GT 120 SSD for windows 7 x64 ultimate connect to red sata3 port
-x-fi fatal1ty pci-e sound card

one thing i notice, i have a oc profile for 4.0ghz similar do 4.5ghz/4.6 that doesnt freeze on windows startup when boot from off, i tried copying the profile and give it the 45 multiplier and 4.6 whit the needed vcore but still freezes.

the strange thing here is the fact that it doesnt freeze when reseting or restarting the pc, only when booting from off

[Arne_Saknussemm]

have you tried setting setting BIOS defaults and seeing if it happens? This sort of thing may be driver related, SSD firmware related and often RAM related or OC instability. if it doesn't happen when you clear CMOS you know something is not quite right with memory training from cold boot or your OC is not stable.

[Cometman]

Arne Saknussemm wrote:
have you tried setting setting BIOS defaults and seeing if it happens? This sort of thing may be driver related, SSD formware related and often RAM related or OC instability. if it doesn't happen when you clear CMOS you know something is not quite right with memory training from cold boot or your OC is not stable.

i noticed you have same board, same cpu and the memory is almost the same, could you provide me your bios template or bios oc profile to compare to mine, that would be great, another thing what is the fast boot option? when i searched on the forum for system loading crashing i found that this could cause the problem

[Arne_Saknussemm]

I have no problem passing you mu settings but honestly they will be of little use to you other than reference. Your CPU will be different and your CPU's memory controller different again and while similar the RAM is not the same so there will be several all important voltages that I have found that work with my set up that simply might not be the same for yours.

I'll shoot you a PM later with the settings but if I were you I would reset the BIOS and try cold booting like this...if you still have problems might not be simply down to BIOS settings....

fast boot just rushes through the boot process assuming the last config was stable and hasn't changed I think. Disabling it makes the board think about the boot process and memory training etc. so might be better if the system is less stable....

[sandro_c]

Hi Cometman, hi Arne,
I read your tread and I see you are looking for help from those who have a HW similar to yours:
OK, I have the HW I think the most similar to yours, except your video card and PS because mine is a 6970
my supply is an Enermax 650W and all my coolers is by air... the rest is the same.
Even though my bios is a 3602, on the second bios chip I always have installed the 3301 and sometimes I use it.
I also had the same problem in the same way (it appeared only from PC is turned off),
but with the setup I used the problem disappeared. If you want you can use it too,
so I send the data I'm using the bios without the problem that laments. Good luck:

Anyways here are my settings:

Extreme Tweaker Menu
Ai Overclock Tuner: manual
CPU Level Up: Disabled
Bclk freq: 100.000
CPU Strap: 100MHz
ClockGen Full Reset: Enabled
Turbo Ratio: By All Cores
By all cores : 45
CPU Clock Gen Filter: Auto
Memory Freq: DDR3-2133mHz
Extreme Tweaking: Disabled
EPU Power Saving Mode: Disabled
Extreme OV: Disabled
Bclk Skew: Auto
CPU Vcore : Offset Mode
Offset mode sin:+
CPU Vcore Voltage: +0.020
VTT CPU Voltage: 1.1250
2nd VTTCPU Voltage: Auto
CPU VCCSA Manual Voltage: 1.1250
DRAM V (A, B): 1.525
DRAM V (C, D): 1.525
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.75
PCH Voltage: Auto
VTTDR Voltage (A, B): Auto
VTTDR Voltage (C, D): Auto
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIe Spread Spectrum: Disabled

DRAM Timing Control
Rampage Tweak : Mode 2
nearer
CAS: 9
RAS to CAS Delay: 11
RAS Pre Time: 10
RAS ACT Time:28
Command Mode: 1

Digi+ Power Control Submenu
CPU Load-Line Calibration(LLC): Medium
CPU current capability: 120%
CPU Voltage Freq: 300
VRM Over Temperature Protection: Disabled
CPU Power Duty Control: T.Probe
VCore MOS voltage Control: Auto
CPU Power Phase Control: Optimized
CPU Vcore Boot Up Voltage: Auto
VCCSA Load-Line Calibration(LLC): optimized
VCCSA Current Capability: 120%
VCCSA Fixed Freq: Auto
CPU VCCSA Boot Up Voltage: Auto
CPU VTT Switching Freq: 1.3x
CPU VTT Over-Current Protection: Disabled
DRAM-AB Current Capability: 120%
DRAM-AB Voltage Frequency: Auto
DRAM-AB Power Phase Control: Optimized
DRAM-CD Current Capability: 120%
DRAM-CD Voltage Frequency: Auto
DRAM-CD Power Phase Control: Optimized
PCH Switching Freq: 1.3x

CPU Performance Settings Submenu:
CPU Ratio: auto
Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology: enabled
Turbo mode: Enabled
Power Limit Control: Auto

Advanced Menu
CPU Configuration Submenu:
Intel Adaptive Thermal Monitor: Disabled
Hyper-threading: Enabled
Active Processor Cores: All
Limit CPUID Maximum:Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Hardware Prefetcher: Enabled
Adjacent Cache Line Prefetch: Enabled
DCU Streamer Prefetcher: Enabled
DCCU IP Prefetcher: Enabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enabled

CPU Power Management submenu
CPU Ratio: Auto
Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology: Disabled
Turbo mode: Enabled
CPU C1E: Enabled
CPU C3 Report: Disabled
CPU C6 Report: Disabled
CPU C7 Report: Disabled

Monitor Settings
Anti Surge Support: Disabled


Best Regards

sandro c.

[Cometman]

i am starting to believe that the problem is whit my windows, i tried the template from sandro and had no luck.

flashed to bios 3602 and did all of the options above, including what i need of vcore for my cpu and same result freezes while windows logo

loaded the 4.0ghz profile everything ok

[sandro_c]

Hi Cometman,

I had also thought that my windows had problems, but it was not. Exactly my windows freeze in the moment that the four colored dots came together to form the logo, but when everything is OK after the first pulse of light, charge immediately Win7 desktop.
The fact that with the profile 4 Ghz everything is OK means that Win7 is OK, and that there are no serious problems but only HW setup: But know that, for our HW, an overclock to 4 Ghz is ridiculous.
Certainly not all HW are the same even if the name is, but with the setup that I have provided I'm run CPU @ 4650, and Ram @ 2180 Mhz Vcore offset +0,040 and are retained only by my air cooler because I tried to push up to 4750, but the Core temp goes over 75C °, which does not happen to you with your cooler liquid.
Why do not control how parameters are set in the BIOS when you're at 4Ghz and everything is OK, and show them to me?
So you can understand where your problems when you raise the clock ... (the CPU or RAM clock?).
Best Regards
sandro c

[Cometman]

Thanks a lot for the help so far

here are my settings the only ones that work, the 4.0 ghz profile:

Extreme Tweaker Menu
Ai Overclock Tuner: manual
CPU Level Up: Disabled
Bclk freq: 100.000
CPU Strap: 100MHz
ClockGen Full Reset: Enabled
Turbo Ratio: By All Cores
By all cores : 40
CPU Clock Gen Filter: Auto
Memory Freq: DDR3-2133mHz
Extreme Tweaking: Disabled
EPU Power Saving Mode: Disabled
Extreme OV: Disabled
Bclk Skew: Auto
CPU Vcore : manual Mode
CPU Vcore Voltage: 1.200v
VTT CPU Voltage: 1.075v
2nd VTTCPU Voltage: Auto
CPU VCCSA Manual Voltage: 1.075v
DRAM V (A, B): 1.525
DRAM V (C, D): 1.525
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.6v
PCH Voltage: Auto
VTTDR Voltage (A, B): Auto
VTTDR Voltage (C, D): Auto
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIe Spread Spectrum: Disabled

DRAM Timing Control
Rampage Tweak : Auto
CAS: 9
RAS to CAS Delay: 11
RAS Pre Time: 10
RAS ACT Time:28
Command Mode: 1

Digi+ Power Control Submenu
CPU Load-Line Calibration(LLC): High
CPU current capability: 120%
CPU Voltage Freq: 300
VRM Over Temperature Protection: Disabled
CPU Power Duty Control: Extreme
VCore MOS voltage Control: Auto
CPU Power Phase Control: Optimized
CPU Vcore Boot Up Voltage: 1.200v
VCCSA Load-Line Calibration(LLC): high
VCCSA Current Capability: 120%
VCCSA Fixed Freq: 300
CPU VCCSA Boot Up Voltage: Auto
CPU VTT Switching Freq: 1.3x
CPU VTT Over-Current Protection: Disabled
DRAM-AB Current Capability: 120%
DRAM-AB Voltage Frequency: Auto
DRAM-AB Power Phase Control: Optimized
DRAM-CD Current Capability: 120%
DRAM-CD Voltage Frequency: Auto
DRAM-CD Power Phase Control: Optimized
PCH Switching Freq: 1.3x

CPU Performance Settings Submenu:
CPU Ratio: auto
Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology: disabled
Turbo mode: Enabled
Power Limit Control: Auto

Advanced Menu
CPU Configuration Submenu:
Intel Adaptive Thermal Monitor: Disabled
Hyper-threading: Enabled
Active Processor Cores: All
Limit CPUID Maximum:Enabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Hardware Prefetcher: Enabled
Adjacent Cache Line Prefetch: Enabled
DCU Streamer Prefetcher: Enabled
DCCU IP Prefetcher: Enabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enabled

CPU Power Management submenu
CPU Ratio: Auto
Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology: Disabled
Turbo mode: Enabled
CPU C1E: Disabled
CPU C3 Report: Disabled
CPU C6 Report: Disabled
CPU C7 Report: Disabled

Monitor Settings
Anti Surge Support: Disabled


These settings work flawlessly whit 4.0, if i use those settings but whit 45/46 multi whit the respective vcore the pc crashes while windows is loading
Very frustrating since if i pass that start phase the pc works whitout any problems

In terms of temps i have watercooled cpu and gpu, current temps of cpu at 4.0- idle 22/26 100% load 37/42 , gpu idle 18c on load around 25 C gaming, so temps are not the problem

Have fast boot enabled tried disabling it didnt made any difference