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Stabilizing AMD 9590 Processor with ASUS Crosshair Formula Z?

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Hello everyone, I joined this forum to ask this question, because I did quite a bit of researching and have yet to find a solid fix for running AMD 9590 stable on the ASUS Crosshair board.

I have to say I am not a pro at overclocking and honestly don't have too much experience in it as I don't game, but I do have been in IT industry for long time and build many custom computers as well.

I tried various different settings but the system seems to either freeze or get a blue screen.

So far I tried doing things like disabling Core C6 state, turning off ECC and turbo. I tried to keep HPC both enabled and disabled. I'm not sure but I think it started freezing less after this, but it still restarts sometimes, for example if I run the Windows 7 Performance assessment.

I also tried disabling the fan control and keeping it on auto but I don't think it is a cooling issue the temperatures don't seem to raise too high.

Anyways this is sort of ridiculous, not sure why a motherboard/CPU would have so many issues out of factory without any overclocking.

I'd appreciate any help stabilizing this system. I'm mostly fine leaving it on factory clock but could also overclock, but just want to mainly use this computer without problems.

The RAM is: 16GB (4x 4gb) R9 AMD Radeon. Cooler is: Corsair H100i GTX Extreme. Used Artic Silver 5 thermal paste. Corsair 860 Watt AX860. Not that it should matter but a XFX Radeon R9 290 video card.
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Korth
Level 14
AMD rates FX-9590 as a 220W part. Huge cooling (something like an NH-D15) is only half the problem. Huge power suck is the other half, and even with a robust PSU the best AM3+/990FX motherboard with mighty VRMs still gets strained. My understanding is that not many people could run it at even the full AMD rated 5.0GHz (nevermind overclocked) for long on any settings unless they upgraded VRM cooling.

ASUS CVFZ was arguably the best 990FX-based mobo ever made. But now also a few years old and apparently discontinued. If your particular mobo is a few years old then it might have aged and de-rated VRM components ... normally not a critical issue but FX-9590 was always a finicky beast to overclock and pushed the thresholds on even fresh new boards.

You might be able to get more stable overclock with a strictly 1R/SS dual-channel DDR3 kit, 2x8GB instead of 4x4GB.

You might also have luck minimizing power pulled off the mobo for other hardware. Use an external fan controller accessory. Unplug all unneeded cards, drives, USB devices, peripherals, etc. It's (usually) not a lot, but it can all add up, and failing mobo VRM power outputs can run noticeably cleaner (and cooler) when not regulating/filtering out more rippling and chopping and switching.

What error gets displayed by Q-Code when the system crashes?

[Edit: If you have been in IT for a long time then you will discover that many things in enthusiast/gamer motherboards are "sort of ridiculous".]
"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others." - Douglas Adams

[/Korth]

Thanks for your response and suggestions.

Isn't H100i GTX a better cooler then NH-D15? Plus to me going back to air coolers is like going back to stone age, although I know that some are good, and the fact that liquid coolers usually still have some sort of fans for the radiator lol. But they do pull out hot air better instead of keeping it inside like air coolers. But that's another debate, I'd rather get a good liquid cooler if I have to but again I honestly don't think it is an overheating issue in my case as I did monitor the temperatures, I left the Corsair link on and also went right to BIOS monitoring temperatures after reboots.
This H100i seems to be fairly loud though, I may be able to adjust the levels a bit to make it more quieter without letting CPU get hot and I already did a bit but I am wondering if it is the fans or the pump, maybe I can just replace with quieter fans?

I don't have that many things in this computer, just 1 SSD drive, only other thing I have is a card reader and a blue ray/DVD writer, I don't see how that would matter but I can unplug those if you think it's worth a test? And can you tell me what are the q-codes? In event log or dump or? Maybe I just don't know the term.

As a test I down-clocked it to 4.21Ghz, and ran the program that was normally crashing it and it didn't run this time. The idle temperatures also seem lower now and Corsair shows mostly 23 C, sometimes it jumps to 27 C but doesn't seem to go over 30 C. I haven't tried any of the stress-test programs yet.

Honestly while I would like to make it 5Ghz it really don't have to be, if it has to be 4.21Ghz I can work with that, I don't game much anyway, sometimes do graphic editing or light video editing and compilations but not much besides that. I am curious though to find out the exact cause for this however. I am assuming that since I down-clocked it and it is working fine then it is not the general settings but possibly something with voltage? Or I'm not sure, I wish I knew more about overclocking but maybe some day I'll find time to learn it better.
Yeah many things are ridiculous but usually it's software or drivers or other, out of all builds I made before this is first time I see so many instability issues with stock settings and that it is so difficult to make it work like it should. Like the FX 8370 I build that before and it never had issues. By the way long story but I didn't build this just now, I just have this computer and want to make it work well, if I was building new build then of course I'd build Ryzen.

Korth wrote:
AMD rates FX-9590 as a 220W part. Huge cooling (something like an NH-D15) is only half the problem. Huge power suck is the other half, and even with a robust PSU the best AM3+/990FX motherboard with mighty VRMs still gets strained. My understanding is that not many people could run it at even the full AMD rated 5.0GHz (nevermind overclocked) for long on any settings unless they upgraded VRM cooling.

ASUS CVFZ was arguably the best 990FX-based mobo ever made. But now also a few years old and apparently discontinued. If your particular mobo is a few years old then it might have aged and de-rated VRM components ... normally not a critical issue but FX-9590 was always a finicky beast to overclock and pushed the thresholds on even fresh new boards.

You might be able to get more stable overclock with a strictly 1R/SS dual-channel DDR3 kit, 2x8GB instead of 4x4GB.

You might also have luck minimizing power pulled off the mobo for other hardware. Use an external fan controller accessory. Unplug all unneeded cards, drives, USB devices, peripherals, etc. It's (usually) not a lot, but it can all add up, and failing mobo VRM power outputs can run noticeably cleaner (and cooler) when not regulating/filtering out more rippling and chopping and switching.

What error gets displayed by Q-Code when the system crashes?

[Edit: If you have been in IT for a long time then you will discover that many things in enthusiast/gamer motherboards are "sort of ridiculous".]



I see. What would you recommend as next best thing that would make significant difference but would be low on noise levels? Preferably liquid but I guess it doesn't have to.
Also is it just me or Corsair Link doesn't show accurate reads for temperature and they are only approximate?

About Q-Code no worries.

Yeah I've read that it is high on watts lol. To my understanding that if I use this as main computer it will probably also raise my electricity costs to $50-100 more per year or so.

About simplifying, should I try living just 2 of the chips and take out the other 2? I can't see how card reader would mean anything but I guess I could unplug that too.

I've been searching web quite a bit and youtube, I didn't search this forum individually though. If you don't mind, please send the link to the guide you are referring to.

Korth wrote:

You might be able to get more stable overclock with a strictly 1R/SS dual-channel DDR3 kit, 2x8GB instead of 4x4GB.


I got the 4x4 only because it was cheaper that way. it was in packs of 2x4GBs, I normally try to get 8GB chips. :)))

Korth
Level 14
Cooling performance of a NH-D15 is actually better than H100i GTX, but only by the tiniest margin. I wasn't saying that it's the specific model you need, only that it's the sort of thing you need - your cooler is certainly good enough. Yes, you can always replace fans on an AIO (unless they've built it in a way which prevents that, as some do) ... it's the pump and rad you can't replace without cutting the loop and basically repurposing it into components for a DIY liquid-cooling system.

Hmm, your mobo doesn't have a Q-Code display, only Q-LEDs. Sorry, that's entirely my error. Q-Codes are basically standard issue on all ROG boards these days, I'd forgotten that only a few years ago they weren't.

The FX-8370 you used before was a 125W part. Still a big powersucker but also still within the realm of "normal" CPUs. The FX-9590 you use now is 220W and that's huge enough to make a lot of difference across the board. 220W even exceeds AMD's own electrical specifications for their AM3+ socket. The FX-9590 was always notorious and difficult to overclock, you'll notice that all the epic AMD-based world record overclocks were actually made with "slower" FX-83xx parts. For some people "it just works" the moment you drop it into socket, but for most it sadly does not.

Yes, stripping nonessential electrical devices and reconfiguring (simplifying) RAM have very little impact. But maybe enough to pull a cranky system below the instability threshold, at worst some experimenting only wastes time.

There are some excellent overclocking guides for your mobo and your CPU(s) on these forums, along with many more at overclockers.net and other sites. They'll specify board-specific BIOS settings in detail. I don't have that board anymore so I can only really offer general advice and hardware solutions, lol.
"All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others." - Douglas Adams

[/Korth]

Hi, I have the same board (Crosshair V formula Z) and a 9590) RAM is Corsair Dominator Platinum 1866 16G(4x4) Dual Custom water loop GTX 1080 and a EVGA 1000W gold p/S..system is running at 4.7Ghz stable and temps at idel is 31C/Load 57C...Trust me, it took me forever and a lot of tweaking to get it stable, but it is possible..692146921569216

Da Hawaiian wrote:
Hi, I have the same board (Crosshair V formula Z) and a 9590) RAM is Corsair Dominator Platinum 1866 16G(4x4) Dual Custom water loop GTX 1080 and a EVGA 1000W gold p/S..system is running at 4.7Ghz stable and temps at idel is 31C/Load 57C...Trust me, it took me forever and a lot of tweaking to get it stable, but it is possible..


Could you post photos of the BIOS? Like all the configurations so I can compare with mine. If that is not too much to ask. 🙂

What fans are considered the quietest yet good enough flow of air? Thinking to upgrade the fans on the H100i GTX. If with LEDs even better. I'm doing some research on my own in meantime just thought I'd ask if anyone can recommend a successful fan. Sorry if a bit off topic. 😮

Thinking to replace fans or maybe whole cooler...