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Relationship between CPU voltage and degradation

red454
Level 11
What is the generally accepted CPU voltage (when overclocking) that will not have an effect on premature CPU degradation?

I have seen people all over the map with voltages, and read some horror stories about cranking up the voltage, getting a high overclock, then slowly killing the CPU.

I am running my 2600K at 4.3GHz @ 1.27 volts - no stability issues.
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Raja
Level 13
If you want the CPU to last and have a good chance, then no more than 10% over stock on this process node. You don't hear of many horror stories within that threshold. It is the current that kills, and the current is proportional to frequency.


Ramping voltage 0.2V+ over stock VID and running countless hours of Prime95 or Linpack pulls near double spec current through the die - there's your recipe for degradation.

harly
Level 7
So running 24/7 high cpu tasks at 1.46v isn't a good idea Raja? Temp is only 60c, or 70 for cores.

Raja
Level 13
Anything that pulls more than specification current through the die is a risk. Just depends how much of a risk you want to take. Logic tells us that higher current = higher risk.

harly
Level 7
So who has information on the consequences so that risk can be weighed?

Lets say I keep running this as my 24/7 and I become one of those people that bust their CPU. Statistically, what is the likelihood that the damage will be confined to the CPU? If it is highly likely that only the CPU will stop working and just need to be swapped out, then I'm reasonably happy with that risk. But if there's say 50% of cpus that fail due to my level of overclocking also break the mobo, then it becomes somewhat more expensive!

harly wrote:
So who has information on the consequences so that risk can be weighed?

Lets say I keep running this as my 24/7 and I become one of those people that bust their CPU. Statistically, what is the likelihood that the damage will be confined to the CPU? If it is highly likely that only the CPU will stop working and just need to be swapped out, then I'm reasonably happy with that risk. But if there's say 50% of cpus that fail due to my level of overclocking also break the mobo, then it becomes somewhat more expensive!




1) Intel performs the risk assessment when they define the maximum VID and VCC thresholds at stock frequency. Anything past that is in the hands of the user.

2) Nobody has the info you want. Most people tend to use a certain level of common sense. Some don't, and push too far, then report their case back on forums.


3) If you are going to a push a system, it's always wise to cool all current delivery and consuming components as best you can. That goes from VRMs, to the chipsets, memory and also the CPU. Understand the relationship between voltage, frequency (that goes for all sections of the processor) and current. Don't go too far over stock VID (actually VCC if you take LLC into account) or frequency and you limit your chances of failure somewhat.

4) As with all things you may end up with a weak sample. Only Intel knows how many failures are experienced on non-overclocked workstation systems that are built exactly to Intel tolerances. As overclockers push further than that, they are playing with any failure rate buffer margin Intel allow themselves when they determine optimal power envelopes.

5) When a high current component fails or any component that passes current for that matter, there is always a risk it will take surrounding components with it.

-Raja

HiVizMan
Level 40
The thing to bare in mind at all times is that Intel only have to ensure that the CPU will work within the frequency range of the spec sheet for that product. Anything else is technically a bonus. Voltage is the fuel to achieve that bonus. But all things have a price as Raja said.

You want the extra frequency you need to be prepared to pay the ferryman. Not aimed specifically at the OP but at all who want to push their CPU's
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Area_66
Level 11
OC is not a need, CPU are powerful enough, so you have to think at OC as a game, like every game, it as a risk, a hazard too, same exact model of CPU are not uniform. I OC only the CPU I can afford to risk, my Workstation is not OC