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Rampage IV Extreme BSOD, unstable only after sleep.

ryanhaver
Level 7
I have seen a couple threads with something similar to this issue (like here), where the system is fairly unstable after coming out of sleep. Most of them point to the RAM being an issue. I have ran tests on my Memory with the result of no errors, but perhaps it is my RAM. I am able to run Prime95 and Intel Burn Tests with no issues on a cold boot or any time the system hasn't been slept prior to testing. Basically it comes out of sleep with no apparent issue and I can do basic stuff like browse the web, watch some youtube vids, transfer files to network share for hours. Then after about 15-30 min of heavier stress (gaming) it will BSOD. :confused:

I never slept my computer before when I had a Corsair Force GT drive running the OS because it never came out of sleep. I am now running a RevoDrive3, which is a PCI-E based SSD with much greater success. But since I've let my computer sleep I've noticed the issue. I am on bios 3101 and thinking of going to bios 3204 to see if it might resolve my issue, or even rolling back to an earlier bios. My hardware is listed in my Signature for those that want to know.

I've tested with no overclock on the CPU. I recall testing with XMP off, but I want to verify that I did that because other have had success setting manual timings for their RAM instead of using XMP profiles. I have scrutinized my OC settings and made a number of adjustments that others have suggested, but to no avail. I can get some screens up of my OC settings if anyone wants to look at them, but if this happens when not OCed I figured it wasn't going to contribute to the resolution if i posted them. I do run a RAM Disk that stores a good chunk of temp data and browser profiles, but I've had no issues with it.

I am ready for some help, any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Thanks, you awesome people!! 🙂
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HalloweenWeed
Level 12
Well problems coming out of sleep certainly could be from RAM as you know, but just as likely is your OC and CPU settings. I would like to help you, but I need to know what your BIOS settings are to do so. Also need to know what BIOS revision you are using, and whether you are using static or variable Vcore. Plz fill this out and post it, plz state "auto" of set to "auto":

Extreme Tweaker menu:
Ai Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Level up: Disabled (default)
ClockGen full reset: Enabled (default)
Turbo ratio: By all cores
By all cores (can adjust in OS): 45
Bclk freq: 100 (default stock speed)
CPU Strap: 100 (default stock speed)
CPU Clock gen filter: Auto (default)
Memory freq: DDR3-1866
Extreme tweaking: Disabled (default)
EPU power saving mode: Disabled (default)

Extreme 0V: Disabled (default)
Bclk skew: Auto
CPU Vcore V: Offset mode
Offset mode sign: +
CPU Vcore offset V: 0.005
(CPU Vcore V: N/A)
VTT CPU V: 1.225
2nd VTTCPU V: Auto (default) (1.10387) (1.05V actual shown on screen)
CPU VCCSA manual V: 1.225
DRAM V (chA, chB): 1.5
DRAM V (chC, chD): 1.53
CPU PLL V: auto (1.9V)
PCH 1.1v: Auto (1.1)
VTTDDR voltage (chA, chB): Auto
VTTDDR voltage (chC, chD): Auto
CPU spread spectrum: Disabled
PCIe spread sprectrum: Auto (default)
(xxxx Tweaker's paradise settings all default)

CPU Performance settings submenu:
CPU ratio: Auto (default)
Enhanced Intel Speedstep tech: Enabled (default)
Turbo mode: Enabled (default)
Turbo mode parameters submenu; Power limit control: Auto (default)

DRAM timing control submenu:
Rampage Tweak: Mode 1 (compatibility)

CAS (tCL): 8
RAS to CAS Delay (tRCD): 9
RAS Pre time (tRP): 9
RAS ACT time (tRAS): 24
DRAM command mode ("command rate"): 2t (2n)
Latency boundry: Auto (default)
RAS to RAS delay (tRRD): 6
Ref cycle time (tRFC): 160
WRITE recovery time (tWR): 15
READ to Pre time (tRTP): 8
FOUR ACT WIN time (tFAW): 26
WRITE to READ Delay (tWTR): 8
Write latency (tCWL): 8
The rest set at "auto" (default)


Digi+ power control submenu:
CPU load-line calibration: Medium
CPU current capability: 130%
CPU voltage freq: Auto (default)
VRM over temperature protection: Auto (default)
CPU power duty control: T.Probe (default)
Vcore MOS volt. control: 7V (default)
CPU power phase control: Extreme (non-selectable)
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled (default)
CPU Vcore boot up Voltage: Auto (default)
VCCSA load-line calibration: Auto (default)
VCCSA current capability: 120% (default)
VCCSA fixed freq: 300 (default)
CPU VCCSA boot up voltage: Auto (default)
CPU VTT switching freq: Auto (default)
CPU VTT over-current protection: Auto (default)
DRAM-AB current capability: 120%
DRAM-AB voltage frequency: Auto (default)
DRAM-AB power phase control: Optimized
DRAM-CD current capability: 120%
DRAM-CD voltage frequency: Auto (default)
DRAM-CD power phase control: Optimized
PCH 1.1V switching freq: Auto (default)


Advanced menu.
CPU configuration submenu:
Intel Adaptive thermal monitor: Enabled (default)
Hyper-threading: Disabled
Active processor cores: All (default)
Limit CPUID maximum: Disabled (default)
Execute disable bit: Enabled (default)
Hardware prefetcher: Enabled (default)
Adjacent cache line prefetch: Enabled (default)
Intel Virtualization tech: Enabled (default)

CPU power management submenu:
CPU ratio: Auto (default)
Enhanced Intel Speedstep tech: Enabled (default)
Turbo mode: Enabled (default)
CPU C1E: Enabled
CPU C3 report: Enabled
CPU C6 report: Enabled
CPU C7 report: Enabled

SATA configuration submenu:
Hot plugs: All Disabled (default)

APM submenu:
ErP ready: Disabled (default)

Monitor menu:
Anti surge support: Disabled
i7-3930K; Asus RIVE; G.SKILL Ripjaws Z 4x4GB DDR3 1866; MSI 7870 2GD5/OC; Crucial M4 SSD 256GB;
Corsair 1000HX; Corsair H100, 4x Excalibur 120mm PWM CPU Fan p-p, AS5; SB X-Fi Titanium Fata1ity Pro;
Dell U2412m IPS 1920x1200; Cooler Master HAF 932 case; Tripp-Lite OMNIVS1500 UPS fully Line-interactive.
(EVGA site: ) And I have a second (wife's) computer, Eve.

Overclocking is useless to me if it is not rock stable.

I'll get this filled out for you as soon as I can, probably later tonight. Thanks for wanting to help 🙂

HalloweenWeed
Level 12
I only have a little less than two more hours left in which to help you today. Otherwise, see you tomorrow.
i7-3930K; Asus RIVE; G.SKILL Ripjaws Z 4x4GB DDR3 1866; MSI 7870 2GD5/OC; Crucial M4 SSD 256GB;
Corsair 1000HX; Corsair H100, 4x Excalibur 120mm PWM CPU Fan p-p, AS5; SB X-Fi Titanium Fata1ity Pro;
Dell U2412m IPS 1920x1200; Cooler Master HAF 932 case; Tripp-Lite OMNIVS1500 UPS fully Line-interactive.
(EVGA site: ) And I have a second (wife's) computer, Eve.

Overclocking is useless to me if it is not rock stable.

No worries if it's tomorrow, I just appreciate the help. Here is what you've requested. These are all the values that I have listed in my Bios: revision 3101 I've added a few entries that I had which you didn't list from yours, they have been noted with an *

Extreme Tweaker menu:
Ai Overclock tuner: XMP
CPU Level up: Disabled
ClockGen full reset: Enabled
Turbo ratio: By all cores
By all cores (can adjust in OS): 45
Bclk freq: 100 (default stock speed)
CPU Strap: Auto
CPU Clock gen filter: Auto
Memory freq: DDR3-2133Mhz (XMP Profile 1)
Extreme tweaking: Disabled
EPU power saving mode: Disabled

Extreme 0V: Disabled
Bclk skew: Auto
CPU Vcore V: Manual Mode 1.4V
Offset mode sign: n/a
CPU Vcore offset V: n/a
(CPU Vcore V: N/A)
VTT CPU V: 1.2253v
2nd VTTCPU V: Auto (default) (1.10387) (1.046V actual shown on screen)
CPU VCCSA manual V: 1.268
DRAM V (chA, chB): 1.5v (actual shown on screen 1.487v)
DRAM V (chC, chD): 1.5v (actual show on screen 1.490v)
CPU PLL V: auto 1.887v
PCH 1.1v: Auto 1.096v
VTTDDR voltage (chA, chB): Auto
VTTDDR voltage (chC, chD): Auto
CPU spread spectrum: Enabled
PCIe spread sprectrum: Enabled
(xxxx Tweaker's paradise settings all default)

CPU Performance settings submenu:
CPU ratio: Auto (default)
Enhanced Intel Speedstep tech: Enabled
Turbo mode: Enabled
Turbo mode parameters submenu; Power limit control: Auto

DRAM timing control submenu:
Rampage Tweak: Auto

I am using Dominator GT 2133Mhz Rated memory with XMP Profile. I've never touched any of the values on the DRAM Timing Control Menu.
CAS (tCL): 9
RAS to CAS Delay (tRCD): 11
RAS Pre time (tRP): 10
RAS ACT time (tRAS): 27
DRAM command mode ("command rate"): 2
Latency boundry: Auto
RAS to RAS delay (tRRD): Auto 7
Ref cycle time (tRFC): Auto 183
WRITE recovery time (tWR): Auto 18
READ to Pre time (tRTP): Auto 9
FOUR ACT WIN time (tFAW): Auto 27
WRITE to READ Delay (tWTR): Auto 9
Write latency (tCWL): Auto 8
The rest set at "auto"


Digi+ power control submenu:
CPU load-line calibration: Auto
CPU current capability: Auto
CPU voltage freq: Auto
VRM over temperature protection: Auto
CPU power duty control: T.Probe
Vcore MOS volt. control: Auto
CPU power phase control: Auto
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Vcore boot up Voltage: Auto
VCCSA load-line calibration: Auto
VCCSA current capability: 100%
VCCSA fixed freq: 300
CPU VCCSA boot up voltage: Auto
CPU VTT switching freq: Auto
CPU VTT over-current protection: Auto
DRAM-AB current capability: 100%
DRAM-AB voltage frequency: Auto
DRAM-AB power phase control: Auto
DRAM-CD current capability: 100%
DRAM-CD voltage frequency: Auto
DRAM-CD power phase control: Auto
PCH 1.1V switching freq: Auto


Advanced menu.
CPU configuration submenu:
Intel Adaptive thermal monitor: Enabled
Hyper-threading: Enabled
Active processor cores: All
Limit CPUID maximum: Disabled
Execute disable bit: Enabled
Hardware prefetcher: Enabled
Adjacent cache line prefetch: Enabled
*DCU Streamer Prefetcher: Enabled (default)
*DCU IP Prefetcher: Enabled (default)
Intel Virtualization tech: Enabled

CPU power management submenu:
CPU ratio: Auto
Enhanced Intel Speedstep tech: Enabled
Turbo mode: Enabled
CPU C1E: Enabled
CPU C3 report: Disabled
CPU C6 report: Disabled
CPU C7 report: Disabled

SATA configuration submenu:
Hot plugs: All Disabled

APM submenu:
*Restore AC Power Loss: Power Off
*Power on by PCIE Disabled
*Power on by RTC
ErP ready: Disabled

Monitor menu:
Anti surge support: Enabled

HiVizMan
Level 40
You are in good hands with HW 🙂
To help us help you - please provide as much information about your system and the problem as possible.

HalloweenWeed
Level 12
In the first place, using XMP can be problematic when you are OCing. When your system is 100% stable, it works fine. But when it is just a little unstable, it can not only complicate the diagnosis, but cause RAM failure as well. You see, the board does memory settings "training" on some successive reboots (you will see a few that take longer), and if you are OCing, and have an unstable setting when this happens, it can malfunction during this "training" cycle; either setting your memory incorrectly (the "auto" settings), or causing a failed POST attempt, or some other malfunction that I am not aware of.

You need to set your Ai overclock tuner to "manual" and manually set all those values for DRAM V, Memory speed, and all your primary latencies (be careful, memory speed will change when you change the "Ai overclock tuner" setting). This may or may not be part of your problem, but we need to eliminate all possible failure possibilities. But first, I see a discrepancy in your RAM and the settings the board picked: Your RAM specs are 9-10-11-27 (double-checked W/Corsiar site, assuming pt#CMT16GX3M4X2133C9) and according to the list above your XMP settings have chosen 9-11-10-27! Perhaps you inverted the RAS to CAS Delay (tRCD) and RAS Pre time (tRP)? You should double-check it before we continue. If your list is correct, then we should perhaps try 9-11-11-27 (it won't hurt anything, just improve stability). Personally, I like to use either AIDA64 or CPU Tweaker to read the XMP tables and set your secondary latencies too, but some ppl consider that just a little obsessive-compulsive so I'll leave that totally up to you. You could use the same numbers that you stated in your report above for your secondary timings, but I would trust what you read W/AIDA64 or CPU Tweaker more.

While we are discussing memory, I should also mention 2133 is a very fast speed. It's possible that your CPU IMC will not do that speed stable W/your CPU OC. You may have to kick it down a notch in speed (or reduce your OC), but let's try 2133, fixing your other issues first.


The next thing I need to discuss with you is your static CPU Vcore OC strategy. There's nothing wrong with your static Vcore settings, and I see you have set your VCCSA to an expected number for your OC level too; but do you know it will take much more amperage, and thus $$ when idle like that? And your idle temps will not be low neither. I have been to 4.7 on variable, but Vreg throttling occurred during LinX; and at 4.6 stable (for a few months) without Vreg throttling - on variable Vcore - without sleep issues. I have C1E - C6 enabled, and I get great idle economy. That said, it is a personal preference and you can do what you want; I will help you with it either way. If you do not want to try variable, I will not push it.

On static Vcore, when you set 1.4Vcore you theoretically get 1.4Vcore (perhaps modified a bit by LLC, Anti surge support, and CPU current capability) no matter what your CPU is doing, and no matter what your current operating Turbo (or not) multipliers are. When you use variable, the Vcore decreases when the CPU is idle (at lower - 12 - multiplier). However, set wrong this can cause a sleep/idle issue. If you are going for max. benchmarking - competition level - OC, for bragging rights or whatever, then static is the way to go; but then you should also have extreme cooling W/a Vreg cooler too.


The first real non-memory CPU OC issue I see W/your settings is your current capabilities. U-haul truck engines used to have "governors" on their engines to prevent them from going over 45-50MPH. Leaving your current capabilities (and Anti surge support) at "auto" or 100% is the Asus equivalent to trying to run a race without disabling the governors. You can run the race, but you will never get over a certain speed because the governor is starving your engine.

Standard 100% is for stock voltages and speeds. And furthermore your RAM is not at what Intel calls stock speed, it is likely to need more Amperage ("A"); and your CPU and VCCSA DEFINITELY need more A. The "capability" settings are to prevent over-current damage in the event of a failure ("short-circuit") in the chips or boards. But that event it is catastrophic anyway, doesn't really help much. You need to set:
CPU current capability: 130%
VCCSA current capability: 130% minimum
DRAM-AB current capability: 130% minimum
DRAM-CD current capability: 130% minimum
and I recommend:
DRAM-AB power phase control: Optimized
DRAM-CD power phase control: Optimized
He talks about this in the (obsolete) Asus ROG YouTube video OCing the RIVE 1/3 (they never made 2 & 3 as far as I can tell). Don't rely on that vid too much though, it was made when the RIVE was first released, with the original release BIOS and memory designed for the X58 chipset (the older version XMP tables).


The next issue is "Anti surge support." This means when your CPU A goes over a regular value (for stock speed/Vcore), your Vcore is throttled to reduce the A. Disable it. You will then find you can reach higher OC easier. This also could be an issue with coming out of sleep, when your CPU starts with static Vcore the A could spike and Anti surge support could be throttling the Vcore at that moment.


Minor issues: "Rampage tweak" mode 1 is for compatibility. Mode 2 is for "performance." Auto may choose mode 1, IDK, but I would suggest you set it mode 1 to be sure. This is just another variable to eliminate from your issues. AFAIK "performance" is really the mode for those who do extreme memory tweaking (using an oscilloscope, etc.), not us regular ppl; or maybe once you get your max. OC stable you could try it (I don't recommend it). Perhaps it has something to do with how agressive the RIVE memory "training" cycles are. Using the compatibility setting (mode 1) may reduce BSODs for you.

VTT. You have VTT on manual? That's OK it just looks a little low. Just keep in mind raising it may help your OC, only testing will tell. If it works that low, fantastic.

CPU load-line calibration ("LLC"): I'm really not able to help much with this setting in static Vcore mode, but in variable Vcore you would want it set to "medium." This would prevent your Vcore from dropping during peak loads, and allow it to reduce to a nice low value at idle - when using variable Vcore. Perhaps someone else can chime in about it's proper setting when using static Vcore.
i7-3930K; Asus RIVE; G.SKILL Ripjaws Z 4x4GB DDR3 1866; MSI 7870 2GD5/OC; Crucial M4 SSD 256GB;
Corsair 1000HX; Corsair H100, 4x Excalibur 120mm PWM CPU Fan p-p, AS5; SB X-Fi Titanium Fata1ity Pro;
Dell U2412m IPS 1920x1200; Cooler Master HAF 932 case; Tripp-Lite OMNIVS1500 UPS fully Line-interactive.
(EVGA site: ) And I have a second (wife's) computer, Eve.

Overclocking is useless to me if it is not rock stable.

HalloweenWeed wrote:
Personally, I like to use either AIDA64 or CPU Tweaker to read the XMP tables and set your secondary latencies too, but some ppl consider that just a little obsessive-compulsive so I'll leave that totally up to you. You could use the same numbers that you stated in your report above for your secondary timings, but I would trust what you read W/AIDA64 or CPU Tweaker more.


I'm hoping this isn't too old a thread to get clarification from HalloweenWeed regarding setting [XMP] memory timings manually and using AIDA64 for that purpose:

I'm asking this prior to a unique post for guidance on my first OC attempts, but I'm trying to avoid what I'm reading about the potential pitfalls of using the preexisting XMP profile for my memory in the RIVE BIOS Ai Overclock Tuner option.

It was my understanding that the "correct" XMP profile timings and secondary latencies tables are visible in BIOS by choosing the DRAM SPD Information page, where it lists a column for XMP #1.

Question: Is the "simple" way of manually entering the timings (instead of choosing XMP in Ai Overclock Tuner) achieved by taking the timings in the SPD information and manually entering them in the DRAM Timing Control section? And the "obsessive-compulsive" way would be using the values in the readout from AIDA64 within Windows?

And continuing in this vein, if one wanted to use the AIDA64 readout, what is the process? The AIDA64 readings I see (both at stock and when having the XMP profile loaded prior to Windows boot,) don't [all] seem to match the values that are in the BIOS SPD table. I assume AIDA64 is reading the values that are actually, currently being applied to the memory by the motherboard, rather than a static table showing optimal values? If so, what is the best way to get the "right" values?

Thanks very much! The amount of valuable information here is astounding (and, frankly, at times overwhelming.)
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HalloweenWeed
Level 12
HiVizMan just PMd me (answering PM):
He said go with medium or high LLC. I suggest medium for starters.
i7-3930K; Asus RIVE; G.SKILL Ripjaws Z 4x4GB DDR3 1866; MSI 7870 2GD5/OC; Crucial M4 SSD 256GB;
Corsair 1000HX; Corsair H100, 4x Excalibur 120mm PWM CPU Fan p-p, AS5; SB X-Fi Titanium Fata1ity Pro;
Dell U2412m IPS 1920x1200; Cooler Master HAF 932 case; Tripp-Lite OMNIVS1500 UPS fully Line-interactive.
(EVGA site: ) And I have a second (wife's) computer, Eve.

Overclocking is useless to me if it is not rock stable.

First off thanks for taking the time to help, you are awesome!

I 've changed all the settings that you recommended and am running very stable after a cold boot. I am however getting a BSOD almost immediately after waking from sleep now. I'm really starting to think that this could be an issue with my RAM. DRAM Timings were actually 9-11-10-27 with XMP, weird. So far I've received a "page-fault-in-nonpaged-area" Stop:0x00000050 and "a process or thread crucial to system operation has unexpectedly exited or been terminated" Stop:0x000000F4. I'm going to triple check my DRAM timings again.

I have also decided to go with a Variable VCore because saving $$$ and a potential longer CPU lifespan sounds better. I've attached a screenshot showing my VCore settings. Do things look ok? any suggestions?

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