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Overclocking Using Offset Mode for CPU Core Voltage

X-ROG
Level 15
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Ok, let me back up and start again so that I can describe the issue:
First, you set the voltage offset. This affects the Vcore under load. This offset also affects the voltages for any lower throttled state that the processor goes into while not under load. To test this, do the following:

Enter windows. Enter Windows power options. Set to Performance. In Advanced settings, set processor power management minimum processor state to 100%. Open XTU. Use Dynamic Voltage Offset until instability, then add 5-10mV for stability.

After proven stable, test for stability with the Windows power options set to balanced, with speed step and voltage throttling. You will notice that the lower idle states are offset in the same amount as the offset for the load state. This is where instability occurs!

So, you then have to increase the voltage offset until the system is stable with the idle states. I have seen this take anywhere from +20mV (0.020V) to +60mV (0.060V) additional voltage to remain stable during these idle states. (Point of fact - Using XTU to attempt the Voltage offsets before putting them in the bios allows for the system to automatically kick the settings if unstable so that you don't have to reset the bios if the voltage offset negative value is greater than the boot state requires to boot). So, what I am trying to find out is whether these lower stepped states that also utilize the voltage offset in the same amount can be made to reference the stock VID, rather than the offset VID if this is what is occurring, to allow more stable idle states, prevent the non-boot because of too great of an offset, etc. Does this make more sense now?

Raja
Level 13
Refer to my post above - specifically numbers 4 and 6. The reason adaptive voltage was developed was to affect only the Turbo ratio end of the VID stack. On Haswell-E, it has also been disassociated with AVX. Either way this has nothing to do with C-states and separate VID controls per se.

ajc9988
Level 7
Then could you explain to me what is happening with the situation I just explained. Because this is what the issue with going to low on the voltage offset is caused by. If I am using the wrong nomenclature, please correct me as I am trying to learn, and you are here to help. I do apologize if I have a sharp tone to my writing, I am just trying to find a solution is all.

So I reread the answers, specifically 4 and 6. 4 is the one I am interested in. Is there any way for the related offset voltage to shift only the load state rather than the entire VID stack? This can allow for the more stable experience I am trying to get at.

Thank you once again for helping further my understanding of the situation!

ajc9988 wrote:
Then could you explain to me what is happening with the situation I just explained. Because this is what the issue with going to low on the voltage offset is caused by. If I am using the wrong nomenclature, please correct me as I am trying to learn, and you are here to help. I do apologize if I have a sharp tone to my writing, I am just trying to find a solution is all.

So I reread the answers, specifically 4 and 6. 4 is the one I am interested in. Is there any way for the related offset voltage to shift only the load state rather than the entire VID stack? This can allow for the more stable experience I am trying to get at.

Thank you once again for helping further my understanding of the situation!




The beauty of adaptive Vcore is that it does not affect any ratio outside turbo ratios. So there would be no issue with "idle" voltage levels. That's why it was developed.

If you are using offset mode because thats all you can use on an older CPU architecture, then you will have to live with its caveats. The newer architectures have Adaptive voltage, so this is no longer an issue.

It all just clicked! Thank you for being patient with me! I do appreciate it! So you let the Core Voltage offset be set to 0 while having the Adaptive offset set to the manual value. This allows for only the turbo or load voltage to be offset while the other Core states are unaffected. I got it now! Thanks!

Raja
Level 13
Yes, it is that simple. If using adaptive voltage, you don't have to touch offset voltage at all for the most part.