AMD slow to support Ryzen platform with quality x370 motherboards. Wholly Intolerable

[os2wiz]

I have read the list of boards that AMD posted for Ryzen from various motherboard maufacturers. Asus has only 1 pitiful B350 board listed not one x370 high end board. Both MSI, Asrock, and Gigabyte all have at least x370 board mostly 2 such boards. This is disgraceful. Asus must not have a commitment to AMD customers and enthusiasts to be so far behind in the curve. The MSI board looks to be equal to any Intel z270 board on the market I have consistently supported Asus with 2 ROG AMD motherboard purchases and one other Asus purchase. I do not know what kind of game they are playing with us now, but they badly miscalculated. Unless I see product listing for x370 Ryzen boards by the end of January I will dump Asus and never purchase from them again. I repeat this is shameful and totally unacceptable.

[Mosquitox]

There is no information on motherboards confirming that AMD zen will not have any CPU with 6 cores? It's sad 😞

AAAAND, will the price of the X370 similar to the Maximus HERO IX? Maybe more smaller?

Thanks!

[xeromist]

Mosquitox wrote:
There is no information on motherboards confirming that AMD zen will not have any CPU with 6 cores? It's sad 😞

AAAAND, will the price of the X370 similar to the Maximus HERO IX? Maybe more smaller?

Thanks!

There might be 6 core chips later. Sometimes with initial roll-outs of a new chip the yield dictates what can be sold. They are probably expecting a high demand for 4-core chips but may not be able to produce enough. So it's actually possible they could be disabling a few cores and selling them as 4-core chips in order to meet demand. That would mean once initial demand has been met and falls off slightly, combined with manufacturing improvements, they could begin selling 6-core variants.

[Mosquitox]

xeromist wrote:
There might be 6 core chips later. Sometimes with initial roll-outs of a new chip the yield dictates what can be sold. They are probably expecting a high demand for 4-core chips but may not be able to produce enough. So it's actually possible they could be disabling a few cores and selling them as 4-core chips in order to meet demand. That would mean once initial demand has been met and falls off slightly, combined with manufacturing improvements, they could begin selling 6-core variants.

Thanks for answering!

And yes, it was something I assumed, but there is so much news that there will only be 4C or 8C xD
Btw, what do you think would be better, at equal frequencies, in the future?

[os2wiz]

Mosquitox wrote:
Thanks for answering!

And yes, it was something I assumed, but there is so much news that there will only be 4C or 8C xD
Btw, what do you think would be better, at equal frequencies, in the future?

That is NOT news it is prognosticating and making assumptions built on assumptions, a proverbial house of cards. There will be 6 core Ryzens confirmed by Canard PC website, a highly reputable site. Real 6 core engineering samples exist.

[os2wiz]

Mosquitox wrote:
There is no information on motherboards confirming that AMD zen will not have any CPU with 6 cores? It's sad 😞

AAAAND, will the price of the X370 similar to the Maximus HERO IX? Maybe more smaller?

Thanks!

The rumor mongers who stated there would be no 6 core Ryzen chips have been exposed as fools. Canard PC , a reputable tech site, just confirmed yesterday engineering samples of Ryzen with 6 cores. You can not trust the naysayers with "credentials" on many websites who write pages of technical gibberish proving they no best. In the end they all have egg on their faces. There definitely will be 6 core Ryzens.

[xeromist]

os2wiz wrote:
Canard PC is a venerated tech publisher. They released exhaustive tests 3 weeks ago on an older engineering sample clocked at 3.15 GHZ. Of course we know the f4 stepping of Ryzen 8 core is clocked at 3.6 GHZ with 4.0 GHZ turbo frequency. Even at the slower clock speed it was competitive with I7 6900k. At the higher speed it will be faster than the Intel chip in almost all tasks. Now the Sabertooth line of Asus is not as customized as ROG but is perhaps an even better overclocker. No new from Asus on that board as well. Ryzen is being launched and I mean a hard launch no later than February 27, possibly the 24th. Some say it could be later but not likely since it has to occur before AMD's presentation on Ryzen optimization . Monday the 27th is the first day of Game Developers Conference. AMD had inadvertently leaked Ryzen's release date in their announcement of participation in GDC. So that is only 6 weeks away. Asus should not be holding back on announcments about Ryzen motherboard support at this stage they should be jumping on the bandwagon. Your loss will be Gigabyte's and MSI's gain.

I generally don't go for Canard since I have to find a translation but I just went back and read some of the meta coverage. Ryzen did well in CPU benchmarks but had i5 performance in games due to the lower clock of the sample. So it seems it will come down to whether AMD can hit the target frequencies it is promising at production volume.

Also I realized my first post may have been unclear. I did not say Ryzen *isn't* worth supporting as that would be an unsupported assumption the same as assuming it *is* worth supporting. We simply cannot know right now. Like I said above, even if Ryzen performs as touted there are manufacturing and market realities that might hamstring CPU sales and still result in premium boards being unprofitable. I really hate being this pessimistic but AMD climbing out of its slump and vaulting Intel in one move will be quite a feat. Either way, I hope it's enough to keep AMD in the game and also push Intel to do better because the current situation isn't benefiting enthusiasts.

[os2wiz]

xeromist wrote:
I generally don't go for Canard since I have to find a translation but I just went back and read some of the meta coverage. Ryzen did well in CPU benchmarks but had i5 performance in games due to the lower clock of the sample. So it seems it will come down to whether AMD can hit the target frequencies it is promising at production volume.

Also I realized my first post may have been unclear. I did not say Ryzen *isn't* worth supporting as that would be an unsupported assumption the same as assuming it *is* worth supporting. We simply cannot know right now. Like I said above, even if Ryzen performs as touted there are manufacturing and market realities that might hamstring CPU sales and still result in premium boards being unprofitable. I really hate being this pessimistic but AMD climbing out of its slump and vaulting Intel in one move will be quite a feat. Either way, I hope it's enough to keep AMD in the game and also push Intel to do better because the current situation isn't benefiting enthusiasts.

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[Akaimahomiru]

xeromist wrote:
If it is profitable, it will be done. You are assuming that Ryzen is worth supporting and that it will sell well enough to make developing premium boards worthwhile. Both optimistic assumptions. AMD has a solid history of promising game changing performance products then delivering flawed middling hardware that runs hot and gulps power. I'd love for AMD to make a comeback this generation but its marketing department can no longer be trusted. Until you see independent benchmarks it's not even worth worrying about.

At least it will be on 14nm so Ryzen should theoretically be able to hit good power and thermal targets. That gives me hope.

mmm I'd say this is the mobo companies response here:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-am4-motherboard-details-features/

[Praz]

If Ryzen release was next week I could understand the moaning. But at this point in time it is nothing more than nonsense.

[ShrimpBrime]

Team ROG moderator says what?! LOL. I'm sorry gotta laugh.

While the comment about RYZEN may or may not be worth ROG worthy boards.... but ROG found FX piledrivers worth it..... makes absolutely no sense.

However we don't NEED a board with a fancy ROG label and some cool LED lighting and such while the bios can be written to any board to be great for overcocking such as the non-ROG Sabortooth boards which also was released a REV 3.0 AFTER the announcement of ZEN processors. Seems kind of silly for Asus to release yet another board with the top 990FX chipset for processors dating 4 years back.

But with AsRock and Gigabyte, there is tons and tons of competition for ROG.

RYZEN performance of i5 with quadruple the amount of threads.

Foods for thoughts.

ROG is not needed to overclock RYZEN. Simply by any board with the X370 chipset and you'll have all the OC features you'll need on your daily rigs.