03-03-2025 12:29 PM - edited 03-07-2025 01:25 AM
This post is meant to compare BIOSes 1501, 1401, and 1302 for Asus Z890 Hero in terms of memory stability, on a probably faulty memory set which managed to turn out interesting results. This seems like an issue affecting a wide range of motherboards, click here for another post on ASUS forums, having the same problem but on a Z890 Extreme board. The memories that will be used in this test are: mainly G-Skill 8200mhz 48GB (x2 24GB) CUDIMM RGB memory set that is most likely faulty, and a G-Skill 6000mhz 64GB (x2 32GB) UDIMM memory set made in 2022, which has been running flawlessly since then. All on XMP I and II profiles without additional tuning. The test program is Memtest86 version 11.2.
I built my desktop PC having a ROG Z890 Hero with the latest BIOS 1401 installed, latest should be the most stable, right? This doesn't seem to be the case with the Z890 Hero in terms of memory stability, at least according to the tests I did until now. First of all, I couldn't get my 8200mhz CUDIMM memory to work flawlessly in any of the BIOS revisions and the memory kit will most likely turn out faulty after I return it tomorrow. I actually first waited for version 1501, where things became even worse. But after downgrading to version 1302, I interestingly got the most stable results. Please note that I will get an 8400mhz TeamGroup Xtreem 48GB CUDIMM Kit and x2 TeamGroup Xtreem 48GB UDIMM Kits running at 7200mhz and 7600mhz speeds in a week, and do further tests about these BIOS revisions as detailed as time allows me. I mean, I don't want to ring any bells yet, at least not fully.
MEMTEST86 RESULTS (Exact Same Settings in all BIOS revisions):
I did 5 tests in each screenshot you will see here. And I took the ones having the error numbers that are in the middle, kind of an average of all. That's why I couldn't complete 4 passes in all tests, they take a lot of time.
BIOS 1501 with XMP II (1 and a half pass only):
(26 errors in 1 pass)
BIOS 1501 with XMP I (1 pass only):Sorry for the crappy photos. I didn't know I would create this thread while taking these. Trying 1302 idea came to my mind here, so did creating this thread, so the next photos are all well taken at least.
(21 errors in 1 pass)
BIOS 1401 with XMP II (2 passes):
(2 errors in 2 passes)
BIOS 1401 with XMP I (1 pass):
(3 errors in 1 pass)
BIOS 1302 with XMP II (All 4 passes!):
(1 error in 4 passes, complete test)
BIOS 1302 with XMP I (All 4 passes!):
(3 errors in 4 passes, complete test)
As you can see, even though the memory kit seems faulty, it is most stable on BIOS 1302, goes more unstable with BIOS 1401, and much more unstable with BIOS 1501. Even so much that I got a few blue screens on 1501 whereas I only got a single blue screen on 1401 while testing all hardware for days.
But, if you have upgraded from version 1302 to 1401 or 1501, and using high speed but low capacity memory kits(48GB is considered low capacity, yes) on XMP Profiles, or if you are fine-tuning every single detail about your memory the old-but-trusted way, I suggest running your memory test programs once again, just to be safe. As you know, a system can "seem" to be working stably, but you mostly get the errors when you do a real test, especially for memories. And we desktop users generally find our stable settings in our current BIOS first, then do a full test on every piece of hardware, and keep on upgrading to new BIOS revisions without doing further tests. And if you started with 1401 or 1501, you might reach to higher speeds or lower latencies with 1302 after fine-tuning.
G-Skill 6000mhz 64GB (x2 32GB) on BIOS 1302:It passes no matter how many times I run, also passed the OCCT Memory Test I ran for a short time. I also tested everything on the system with this kit to make sure every other piece of hardware is working perfectly.
I asked myself, Why? The answer might be in the BIOS fixes list:
1401: Support up to 5600MT/s when running the maximum memory capacity of 256GB. The exclusive ""AEMP III"" option will appear when four Kingston RAM DDR5 6400MT/s 64GB CUDIMMs are installed.
1501: This BIOS enhances system performance and improves high-capacity memory compatibility. This includes support for 2*DIMM memory configurations, achieving speeds up to 7000MT/s with AEMP III enabled.
As you have realized, none of these updates are for us low-capacity, but high-speed memory users. I have to mention that both 1401 and 1501 were first released as Beta and the Beta tags were removed only in a few days. Also, BIOS 1401 was made in the holiday period, only 10 days after the release of 1302.
Trying Other Options: I tried Dimm Fit and it only made Memtest give more errors, no matter which option out of 4 I picked (These 4 options are not present in ASUS's guide as well -ASUS Please update the guide-). I couldn't try Dimm Flex as well since the memory presets for Dimm Flex present on Apex boards since Z790 are not present on my Z890 Hero (-ASUS please add these presets to Hero and other boards with new BIOSes, not just Apex, and Apex is "white" and doesn't have a backplate-). Apex also has the best memory stability and can achieve the highest memory speeds amongst all ASUS Z890 motherboards, you can check here. I added a timestamp but the video is worth watching fully.
I will see how the results turn out after I get my hands on the memory kits on the way. On CUDIMMs, thinking that I already returned a 8400mhz G-Skill CUDIMM (Why I am getting a brand new soon, it's a replacement), and will most likely get a replacement on this 8200mhz one too. I mean 2/2 fail here, I also heard a lot of returns happened with CUDIMM memories where I live. I will keep on updating the thread as I progress.
03-04-2025 12:20 AM - edited 03-04-2025 12:21 AM
Very interesting results. There seems to be still a long road ahead for BIOS development to get CuDIMM memory stable running at the advertised (XMP) frequencies at Z890 boards. May I suggest though to use additionally another test? MemTest86 is insuffcient to prove stability / fault free operations at a given frequency and timings. For what is matters, I get 2 x 24 GB GSkill CUDIMM 8800 running stable at 8600 with BIOS 1501 (tested with KARHU). No way to get it running faultfree at 8800 MHz, even with relaxed timings. I still wonder who is to blame? (Faulty) memory or a non-optimized platform firmware?
03-04-2025 09:13 AM
I have the issue that after updating to 1501 my system became really unstable, created a new post here for Z890 Extreme board:
Before on 1401 it worked perfectly for me with slightly reduced speed, now that is not working at all anymore...
@Chainbold How does 1501 compare to 1401? Did you get the same running stable on 1401?
03-04-2025 03:04 PM - edited 03-04-2025 03:06 PM
Hi, I did not find the slightest difference between 1401 and 1501. RAM headroom, overclocking, benchmarks all the same. I have to emphazise though, that I do not challenge my system too much. Better to scale back a bit and get guaranteed stability. For example I can run my GSkill CUDIMM 8800 at seemingly stable 8600, but I keep it at 8400. The impact on benchmarks is zero. I think some user were overstressing their system believing it to be stable, and after flashing a new BIOS found out this not to be the case. And lets not forget: The XMP profiles are heavy overclocks versus the default frequency.
03-04-2025 04:17 PM
I got a kit from Kingston FURY CUDIMM 8400 48gb and oh boy these are not stable, I've tried all the xmp profiles and none are stable, games kept crashing and sometimes bsod, i then set it to default and ran Memtest86 to check for faulty, mems but it seems to not be the case, I got a 1 pass with zero errors.
Then i tried the XMP 2 (tweaked by asus) and set it at 8200, 1 pass on memtest no errors, played MHwilds for like 2 hours and no crashes... I really thought cudimm would be great for at least stable XMP on default, apparently not. Hopefully Asus keeps updating the bios so we can push these.
I'm aiming at 8800 and then mess around with ring to try and reduce Mem latency to < 65ns, im at 80 right now ( stock cpu though, since im having other issues, but was able to hit 71ns once, but not stable)
Cheers for the write up and testing cause i know it's time consuming, keep us updated!
03-04-2025 05:56 PM - edited 03-04-2025 05:57 PM
Hi, MemTest86 has very little meaning to test RAM stability. Even getting 4 fault free runs with Memtest86, I get faults within a few seconds running the memory/RAM test in Prime95 - not to mention Karhu.
03-07-2025 11:01 AM
Yes, I'm aware. Just forgot to mention that after that I ran a 20min test with TestMem5 with the anta777 Extreme config and got no errors. Just wanted to find fast and stable tweaks to stay like this for a while and at the same time waiting on Asus to release more BIOS'es updates.
03-06-2025 12:59 AM
Thank you very much for all this information! 😊
03-05-2025 09:37 AM - edited 03-06-2025 05:42 PM
-Accidental repost-
03-09-2025 07:47 PM
OMG dude thanks for posting this.
I've been beating my head on the wall trying to make DDR5-9000 run stable. I built my system a week ago and till now I haven't played a single game due to ram issues.
I'm going to downgrade to 1401 and run at 8400 for now, I'll report back results.