Make Future Motherboard Feature Suggestions Here!

[xeromist]

Hi all,

ASUS ROG is requesting our best suggestions for ROG product improvements. As a moderator I won’t have the ability to implement your suggestions but I will be picking some of the best to highlight for the ROG team so they know what matters to us, the community.

Some guidelines for this thread:
1) Keep it positive and constructive. In most of the forum I try to allow you all to express your thoughts freely (within reason). This thread has the express purpose of generating constructive suggestions so I will be moderating this thread and deleting posts that do not contribute to that goal.
2) Keep it concise and on topic. Some minor discussion regarding a specific suggestion is welcome but if you would like to have a longer conversation I ask you start an additional thread and link it in your post here. You can also request a moderator move your posts if you have need.
3) Try for realistic ideas that appeal broadly to gamers. A small improvement on an existing ROG product is much more likely to get chosen than an entirely new product that only matters to a small number of people.
4) Support your favorites! You don’t have to come up with a suggestion to help. If you see something you like, quote it and say so! More support for an idea improves its chances.

EDIT:
I’ve updated the titles for these feedback threads to reflect that this is primarily for *future* products. Sorry for the lack of clarity. While there is a chance some ideas could be implemented via software updates it’s most likely any suggestions would be rolled into new products.
Also, these threads are not for issue reporting and such posts won’t reach the right people. Please post issues in the ROG Care > Hardware & Software Support section. Or contact ASUS support via phone or email for immediate assistance.

[JohnAb]

That's good. The BTF concept isn't quite what I had in mind, but it would be a step in the right direction I think. 

Thanks

[Melina]

So.... after a long, hard journey of discovery taking me from November 30th, 2023 until now, February 7th, 2024, I have this one, little suggestion:

Make all ASUS motherboards ship with SVID Behavior set to "Intel Failsafe."

It turns out the "Auto" setting that is enabled by default is also called, "worst case," for those who even begin to understand what "SVID Behavior" is. What the "Auto" setting does, is overvolt the CPU, ironically, and cause lots of lockups and crashing. "Intel Failsafe" is the most conservative, and therefore, reliable setting. Overclocking for current-gen (Raptor Lake) and future-gen (Meteor Lake) CPUs is _absolutely_ unnecessary, and as far as my research on this topic has suggested, will get you literally nothing in actual performance gains, just maybe a bump up on some online benchmarking contest over at Cinebench or wherever. Definitely not worth the hassle for the vast majority of us.

ASUS has shipped motherboards with "AI Overclocking" (the little brain on the right) for an eternity, and the instinct is to, why not, turn it on, it's an extra feature. It is truly not necessary any more. I question it even being there, as you can get the same microincremental results with Intel's own Xtreme Tuning Utility software, which as far as I can tell, also does nothing but help you risk either auto-accomplishing-nothing, or burning down your CPUj, an expensive hobby. Perhaps heavily emphasize in the manual, online, SOMEWHERE, that overclocking really accomplishes very little unless you are running a pre-2022 CPU, maybe, and maybe not even then.

Anyways, in the interim, it's simple: SVID Behavior defaults to "Intel Failsafe," or if you don't like advertising the Intel name on Intel-oriented motherboards, at the very least, defaults to Typical. "Auto" causes huge, mysterious headaches. I've seen reports in reply to my pursuit of this issue from one person of their literally replacing _every_ _single_ _component_ _of_ _their_ _newly_ _built_ _PC_ because of this.

Please help us by changing how you ship future ASUS motherboards. Default SVID Behavior to "Intel Failsafe" and explain why that's there. It's very poorly understood, and doesn't help anyone being set to "Auto" at this point.

Thanks! Happy New Year! 🙂

[Silent_Scone]

Can you explain why you think Intel Failsafe is the most conservative?

[Melina]

A few links on the subject, for others here. Something I really hope ASUS will look into documenting more clearly in the future:

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/18vqm44/comment/kp9oww0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&c...

ASUS SVID Behavior Settings - CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory - Linus Tech Tips

Solved: ASUS Trained SVID Behaviour - Republic of Gamers Forum - 932085

Intel Alder Lake Test: When motherboard settings affect the power consumption and temperature of the...

i9-13900K instability (crashes) and SVID Behavior... : r/intel (reddit.com)

Q1 2024 Intel Tech Support Thread : intel (reddit.com)

The "Intel Fail Safe" setting is described as most conservative, i.e. the one that will most guarantee stability. "Typical" is the one that is usually recommended, and "Best" can be tried but is likely to lead to instability with all but the best CPU chips. "Trained" sounds like a useful choice, but again risks instability.

The main point, though, is that it's really not at all necessary or even desirable to overclock a 14900K or 13900K series Intel CPU. The performance gains are quite minimal, on the order of 1% or so. Not worth all the hassle! Hope that helps!

[Silent_Scone]

Where in the links does it state that Intel Fail Safe is the most conservative setting? If it does, it's incorrect. Fail-Safe is not conservative, it adds a certain voltage level to the stock VID stack by manipulating the VRM load-line characteristics. Your desired preference sounds more like being set to "Best Case Scenario". However, if the system is overclocked (this includes the memory or uncore subsystems) then the outcome might not be desirable depending on the silicon quality. You'll likely find things are the way they are for good reason.

EDIT: Keep the thread to suggestions, please. Best not to derail it with idealisms about overclocking not necessarily being "needed".
One needs to remember that overclocking doesn't just pertain to one subsystem. Most if not all users will be overclocking the system in some shape or form (XMP, etc). If we're overclocking these, then it's not uncommon that other voltage rails may need a bump to maintain stability.

[Melina]

I think we may have a mild language barrier, but I’ll accept your assertions. Bottom line, my system is running with great stability and no heat issues after following the Intel tech support advice. I merely introduced this topic into this thread as it seemed it might be helpful to others having similar issues. My apologies if it is a derail.

[Silent_Scone]

No language barrier, I think you simply didn't fully understand what's considered overclocking. ASUS manipulates the core voltage for a reason. All the auto rules for voltage follow a similar principle to ensure the majority of users don't encounter issues. If everyone ran their systems at complete operating defaults, I'd understand the suggestion.

For clarification, whereas the other behaviour options are static AC/DC load-line presets, "Trained" is determined by the AI algorithm, and follows the LL value, core frequency and cooler performance.

[Melina]

You are correct. Reading around a bit more, it sounds like in fact Intel Fail Safe is going to degrade my CPU seriously and kill it over time. Sigh. So much to learn here.

I will take this up in a different thread if needed, thank you again for your expertise!

[Silent_Scone]

It won’t make any tangible difference to its usable lifespan, however, use the behaviour setting that works best for your setup.

[jkamer]

biggest thing Asus could do is improve their instruction mb books even their water cooler has limited info thanks, you wish they show or say better in their book found out since.

The 24 Pin powers the MB and 

two 8 Pin powers the CPU 

 these newer mb have lots of connections compared to 14 years ago when i build my last one thank you in your reply