10-23-2022 11:35 PM - edited 10-18-2023 07:21 AM
i will use this as a collection of test bioses/tools/info targeted towards Raptorlake + z69/790
NOTE for Z690: You must update ME on your Z690 to properly support raptorlake (if you are on dual bioses then you need to do this to both bioses)
1) d/l and install ME driver
https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/03CHIPSET/DRV_MEI_Intel_Cons_ADL_TP_W11_64_V2229320_20220809B....
2) update ME with ME Update Tool (I know there are newer versions but its not up on Asus official site yet so >= this version is fine)
https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/03CHIPSET/MEUpdateTool_16.1.25.1885_T.zip
3) update to Latest BIOS of your choice
Note 2 for Z690: i have some Z690s that are already LOW in battery so you are advised to use a new Battery during this upgrade.
New test bioses
Z690 Apex
Z690 Extreme
Z690 Hero
Z690 Hero Eva
Z690 Extreme Glacial
Z690 Formula
Z690 Strix E
Z690 Strix F
Z690 Strix G
Z690 Strix A WIFI D4
Z690 Strix A WIFI
Z690 Strix I
Z690 Creator
Z690 Prime A
Z690 Tuf
Z690 Tuf D4
Z690 Tuf WIFI
Z690 Tuf D4 WIFI
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Z790 Extreme
Z790 Hero
Z790 Apex
Z790 Strix I
Z790 Strix F
Z790 Strix E
Z790 Strix A D4
Z790 Strix A
Z790 ProArt
Z790 Strix H
Z790 Prime A WIFI
Z790 Prime M Plus D4
Z790 Prime P
Z790 Prime P D4
Z790 Prime P WIFI
Z790 Prime P WIFI D4
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Latest ocpak
Turbovcore
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ifsr8x0zncxcvyd/TurboV_Core_1.10.20.zip?dl=0
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08-30-2024 01:23 AM
I'm not sure why having TVB would induce the crashing if you're locking the cores, you might want to check memory stability also given it's a new microcode.
08-30-2024 09:19 AM
tried having everything at stock no xmp, Then tried xmp but put my sticks to 6000 instead of 8200. Then tried what someone recommended and put my P cores to 5ghz. I tried 5.5 and eveything ran just fine after that. I then thought to myself could it be that something needs more power and isnt getting it so then it blue screens. so i turned TVB off and now it runs just fine. But ofc at the cost of higher voltages. This is all stock bios settings intel spec performance and tried extreme. Voltages in old bios and in new bios were always around 1.39v idle power, now its about 1.439v. Which isnt super high, but... Just not sure why the change in bios has caused these issues, even when i go back to the other bios and load the exact preset i had saved before upgrading. Now just doesnt work. where as it was rock solid before.
08-30-2024 10:38 AM
You should do proper stress testing e.g. in Prime95. If your CPU doesn't run stable at stock settings, this is grounds for RMA. But if you want to salvage it, raise the voltage/reduce clock frequencies until it's stable. You will have to do some research on the topic and lots of stress testing, like days/weeks of testing.
08-30-2024 11:57 AM - edited 08-30-2024 11:58 AM
did all that when i first got the cpu, and like i said before the system ran everything absolutely stellar before. Also not sure if ill be able to rma if the chip is going bad since its delided lol. But i dont think thats the issue, since iv taken care of it since day 1 with locking my cores and setting the IA VR voltage to 1540 and not letting the wattage go over 350. So no big voltage spikes that would hurt the cpu, nor has it ran hot since its delided.Never goes over 85c on any test. Also days of running stress tests is not exactly great for these cpu's either. I have ran afew test like CB23/15 and aida for 20-30 min to see, no problems. I think its more of the UE5 engine and the shader compiler. Other games are running great like BF2042 which by itself is a great stress test lol.
08-30-2024 01:26 PM
Cinebench or games are not good stress tests. You can use them as an additional check for your settings that you have otherwise tested with a proper stress test like Prime95, y-cruncher and OCCT. Most likely, if the system is stable under a proper stress test, it'll also be stable in games and CB. The other way around is much less likely.
BTW, there's nothing wrong with running stress tests for prolonged time. It's a program like any other, and a CPU is designed to be able to run it 24/7 (and if it isn't able to - it's a faulty CPU). If anything, CPU is running at lower frequencies and voltages when it is running Prime95 than CB or games.
08-30-2024 08:38 PM
Hi @Taint3dBulge , BIOS 1402 fixed a TVB bug that existed in all the BIOS versions before it as part of Microcode 123. Because your older BETA BIOS was based on the buggy TVB, based on my understanding of the published notes TVB was not working. In other words, TVB was OFF. I believe this is why when you turn OFF TVB things work for you. So nothing changed in this aspect of your journey. Or your CPU was never working with TVB properly.
As you are following the Intel 13th and 14th Gen story, I am sure you have heard that impacted CPUs need higher voltages than what they are binned for in the CPU. The binned values are shown in the VF Curve. To solve this issue, I believe Intel is silently increasing the base voltages just a bit without officially talking about it. This is to reduce the RMAs they are getting just to keep these CPUs running a tad bit longer.
I have no proof of anything I said above so take it with grain of salt. This is my theory and assumption just like everyone else is making up their own theories and assumptions.
08-30-2024 03:00 PM - edited 08-30-2024 03:34 PM
The latter part of your post is misinformation my friend. Running a cpu at 100% load for long periods of time degrades the cpu. Heat and or high voltage is what is killing these cpu's. your not wrong about stress tests, iv done that. Everyone has their own tests they run. occt aida and cb23/15 are my go to's. Start with cb for a 10 min run, if that passes then i switch to occt for a 2 hour run. After that i tune my ram alittle, run karhu for 5 hours, and finish the system with a aida for 2-3 hours. After that i feel the system is stable enough for me. Lastly, these stress tests drop your cores to 5.4.-5.6 because of the load. This has to do with something that happens during gaming and your cores are lightly stressed and your running at the rated speed, (5.9ghz 14900ks) of your cpu.
08-30-2024 05:44 PM
CPU degrades even as you turn it on. The question is how fast. A CPU is expected to last you through the entire warranty period at the minimum regardless of what code you run and for how long. With 14th gen, that makes at least 5 years now. Realistically, that should be double that amount of time without any noticeable degradation.
If a CPU is not able to withstand running code through its warranty period without becoming degraded so that it is no longer stable, RMA it and get your money back because it doesn't match its advertised characteristics.
08-30-2024 03:05 PM - edited 08-30-2024 03:06 PM
Nobody should be running Prime95 in 2024. Not unless you're looking to widen some logic gates.
08-30-2024 05:38 PM
Any CPU that is unable to run valid code belongs to a trash bin. At any year.