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Make Future Motherboard Feature Suggestions Here!

xeromist
Moderator
Hi all,

ASUS ROG is requesting our best suggestions for ROG product improvements. As a moderator I won’t have the ability to implement your suggestions but I will be picking some of the best to highlight for the ROG team so they know what matters to us, the community.

Some guidelines for this thread:
1) Keep it positive and constructive. In most of the forum I try to allow you all to express your thoughts freely (within reason). This thread has the express purpose of generating constructive suggestions so I will be moderating this thread and deleting posts that do not contribute to that goal.
2) Keep it concise and on topic. Some minor discussion regarding a specific suggestion is welcome but if you would like to have a longer conversation I ask you start an additional thread and link it in your post here. You can also request a moderator move your posts if you have need.
3) Try for realistic ideas that appeal broadly to gamers. A small improvement on an existing ROG product is much more likely to get chosen than an entirely new product that only matters to a small number of people.
4) Support your favorites! You don’t have to come up with a suggestion to help. If you see something you like, quote it and say so! More support for an idea improves its chances.

EDIT:
I’ve updated the titles for these feedback threads to reflect that this is primarily for *future* products. Sorry for the lack of clarity. While there is a chance some ideas could be implemented via software updates it’s most likely any suggestions would be rolled into new products.
Also, these threads are not for issue reporting and such posts won’t reach the right people. Please post issues in the ROG Care > Hardware & Software Support section. Or contact ASUS support via phone or email for immediate assistance.
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Some use AIO liquid coolers to save space near the CPU. Boards with fewer features (as no built-in wifi or no VRM heatsinks) and with less plastic do have more room for the air coolers (because they don't have the plastic over the backplate or over the chipset).

Melina
Level 10

So here's a more general request: I'd rather tech these days was not designed by deep students of Soren Kierkegaard.

You've got liquid cooler fans and radiators that harmonic resonate like a buzzsaw on "Silent" mode, but are quiet as a mouse on "Turbo."

You've got HDR screens that are so dynamic range everything is blinding white and unreadable unless you frantically hunt for the Dark option for everything.

The former back of the computer tower is now better off as the front, so you can plug/unplug every hot-swappable thing you want daily for fun, and troubleshoot easily.

You've got cases shaped like perfect cubes, so your ability to tell which side is which goes out the window three minutes into a build.

You've got so many mysterious nooks and crannies in the case that you only figure out how to use them AFTER you've assembled everything the first three times. Thank God the wires are all pretty well reinforced now.

You've got instructions to put the liquid cooler on outside the case with the mobo, only to find that after you've merrily attached the AIO to the top of the case, you're going to have to remove it again from its post 20 times while hunting for headers to plug into. So you leave it dangling after you've learned that, hoping your case won't cut the cooling tubes in the interim.

You've got Windows Defender FIrewall, whose main purpose is to give you mountainloads of mysterious crashes and bugs after you've finally gotten up and running, only to discover awhile later that you have to let all your game software thru the firewall and exclude it from being virus-scanned, it and all its brothers and sisters and all its folders. So the real purpose of Defender ultimately is just to make you feel.... uneasy. And to get you to forget about it and buy a new computer next time you forget to open everything wide up for attack after you've installed a new game.

You've got Easy AntiCheat software meant to protect against online cheating, but which needs to be allowed thru firewalls and antivirus solutions to work. So any hacker kid looking for cred can ride its executables right on in to your system and steal your identity any time. WHO, again, is EAC protecting????? Not you!

You've got things like Norton 360 you're tempted to buy and install for "better protection," but whose main function is to render fiddling with the settings so inscrutable that either you make a life out of understanding firewalls and antivirus settings, or you let it do its thing, hoping it's doing it right and interacting with Windows Defender properly. And if bugs, crashes and errors? Well it MUST be the PC is old! Time to throw it all in the trash and start over! 🙂

I could go on, but you get the general idea. ASUS: FIX ALL OF THIS. QUick! 0-o

I'm sure this will never happen, but imagine a motherboard that simply plugged into the case using edge connectors for power, fan headers, USB connections, audio, SATA connections etc. A (bit) like simply plugging in a PCIe card. It would still have the CPU, RAM and probably the cooler on it, but you could swap out the motherboard and/or assemble the system in record time.

There's an obvious problem, motherboards and cases would have to be compatible and getting market traction might be near impossible. But ignoring that issue, it could become a pleasure to assemble a PC, rather than spending hours routing mountains of tangled cables into tight spaces. 

Just food for thought. I guess the downside is the potential lack of flexibility, but I just think that after 30 odds years of no meaningful change in PC desktop and component design, new standards might be very welcome. 

Z690 Hero, 12900K, BIOS 3501, MEI 2406.5.5.0, ME Firmware 16.1.30.2361, 7000X Case, RM1000x PSU, ASUS TUF OC 3090TI, 2 x 16GB Corsair RAM @ 5200MHz, Windows 11 Pro 23H2, Corsair H150i Elite AIO, 4x Corsair RGB fans, 3x M.2 NVME drives, 2x SATA SSDs, 2x SATA HDs.

Getting ASUS BTF to market has taken quite a while. Things are progressing, though.

13900KS / 8000 CAS36 / ROG APEX Z790 / ROG TUF RTX 4090

That's good. The BTF concept isn't quite what I had in mind, but it would be a step in the right direction I think. 

Thanks

Z690 Hero, 12900K, BIOS 3501, MEI 2406.5.5.0, ME Firmware 16.1.30.2361, 7000X Case, RM1000x PSU, ASUS TUF OC 3090TI, 2 x 16GB Corsair RAM @ 5200MHz, Windows 11 Pro 23H2, Corsair H150i Elite AIO, 4x Corsair RGB fans, 3x M.2 NVME drives, 2x SATA SSDs, 2x SATA HDs.

Melina
Level 10

So.... after a long, hard journey of discovery taking me from November 30th, 2023 until now, February 7th, 2024, I have this one, little suggestion:

Make all ASUS motherboards ship with SVID Behavior set to "Intel Failsafe."

It turns out the "Auto" setting that is enabled by default is also called, "worst case," for those who even begin to understand what "SVID Behavior" is. What the "Auto" setting does, is overvolt the CPU, ironically, and cause lots of lockups and crashing. "Intel Failsafe" is the most conservative, and therefore, reliable setting. Overclocking for current-gen (Raptor Lake) and future-gen (Meteor Lake) CPUs is _absolutely_ unnecessary, and as far as my research on this topic has suggested, will get you literally nothing in actual performance gains, just maybe a bump up on some online benchmarking contest over at Cinebench or wherever. Definitely not worth the hassle for the vast majority of us.

ASUS has shipped motherboards with "AI Overclocking" (the little brain on the right) for an eternity, and the instinct is to, why not, turn it on, it's an extra feature. It is truly not necessary any more. I question it even being there, as you can get the same microincremental results with Intel's own Xtreme Tuning Utility software, which as far as I can tell, also does nothing but help you risk either auto-accomplishing-nothing, or burning down your CPUj, an expensive hobby. Perhaps heavily emphasize in the manual, online, SOMEWHERE, that overclocking really accomplishes very little unless you are running a pre-2022 CPU, maybe, and maybe not even then.

Anyways, in the interim, it's simple: SVID Behavior defaults to "Intel Failsafe," or if you don't like advertising the Intel name on Intel-oriented motherboards, at the very least, defaults to Typical. "Auto" causes huge, mysterious headaches. I've seen reports in reply to my pursuit of this issue from one person of their literally replacing _every_ _single_ _component_ _of_ _their_ _newly_ _built_ _PC_ because of this.

Please help us by changing how you ship future ASUS motherboards. Default SVID Behavior to "Intel Failsafe" and explain why that's there. It's very poorly understood, and doesn't help anyone being set to "Auto" at this point.

Thanks! Happy New Year! 🙂

 

Can you explain why you think Intel Failsafe is the most conservative?

13900KS / 8000 CAS36 / ROG APEX Z790 / ROG TUF RTX 4090

A few links on the subject, for others here. Something I really hope ASUS will look into documenting more clearly in the future:

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/18vqm44/comment/kp9oww0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&c...

ASUS SVID Behavior Settings - CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory - Linus Tech Tips

Solved: ASUS Trained SVID Behaviour - Republic of Gamers Forum - 932085

Intel Alder Lake Test: When motherboard settings affect the power consumption and temperature of the...

i9-13900K instability (crashes) and SVID Behavior... : r/intel (reddit.com)

Q1 2024 Intel Tech Support Thread : intel (reddit.com)

The "Intel Fail Safe" setting is described as most conservative, i.e. the one that will most guarantee stability. "Typical" is the one that is usually recommended, and "Best" can be tried but is likely to lead to instability with all but the best CPU chips. "Trained" sounds like a useful choice, but again risks instability.

The main point, though, is that it's really not at all necessary or even desirable to overclock a 14900K or 13900K series Intel CPU. The performance gains are quite minimal, on the order of 1% or so. Not worth all the hassle! Hope that helps!

Where in the links does it state that Intel Fail Safe is the most conservative setting? If it does, it's incorrect. Fail-Safe is not conservative, it adds a certain voltage level to the stock VID stack by manipulating the VRM load-line characteristics. Your desired preference sounds more like being set to "Best Case Scenario". However, if the system is overclocked (this includes the memory or uncore subsystems) then the outcome might not be desirable depending on the silicon quality. You'll likely find things are the way they are for good reason.

EDIT: Keep the thread to suggestions, please. Best not to derail it with idealisms about overclocking not necessarily being "needed".
One needs to remember that overclocking doesn't just pertain to one subsystem. Most if not all users will be overclocking the system in some shape or form (XMP, etc). If we're overclocking these, then it's not uncommon that other voltage rails may need a bump to maintain stability.

13900KS / 8000 CAS36 / ROG APEX Z790 / ROG TUF RTX 4090

I think we may have a mild language barrier, but I’ll accept your assertions. Bottom line, my system is running with great stability and no heat issues after following the Intel tech support advice. I merely introduced this topic into this thread as it seemed it might be helpful to others having similar issues. My apologies if it is a derail.