07-23-2024 12:37 AM - edited 10-02-2024 12:23 AM
September 25th Update:
Beta BIOS Links (microcode 0x12B)
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Intel has identified four (4) operating scenarios that can lead to Vmin shift in affected processors:
Regarding the 0x12B update, Intel is working with its partners to roll out the relevant BIOS update to the public.
Intel’s internal testing comparing 0x12B microcode to 0x125 microcode – on Intel® Core™ i9-14900K with DDR5 5200MT/s memory1 - indicates performance impact is within run-to-run variation (ie. Cinebench* R23, Speedometer*, WebXPRT4*, Crossmark*). For gaming workloads on Intel® Core™ i9-14900K with DDR5 5600MT/s memory2, performance is also within run-to-run variation (ie. Shadow of the Tomb Raider*, Cyberpunk* 2077, Hitman 3: Dartmoor*, Total War: Warhammer III – Mirrors of Madness*). However, system performance is dependent on configuration and several other factors.
Intel® reaffirms that both Intel® Core™ 13th and 14th Gen mobile processors and future client product families – including the codename Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake families - are unaffected by the Vmin Shift Instability issue. We appreciate our customers’ patience throughout the investigation, as well as our partners’ support in the analysis and relevant mitigations.
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August 2024
Hi all,
This update will be pinned here for clarity on the ongoing situation with some 13th and 14th-gen CPUs experiencing instability exhibited at stock.
Intel has issued the following statement (07/22/2024)
Based on extensive analysis of Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors returned to us due to instability issues, we have determined that elevated operating voltage is causing instability issues in some 13th/14th Gen desktop processors. Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor.
Intel is delivering a microcode patch which addresses the root cause of exposure to elevated voltages. We are continuing validation to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors are addressed. Intel is currently targeting mid-August for patch release to partners following full validation.
Intel is committed to making this right with our customers, and we continue asking any customers currently experiencing instability issues on their Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance.
For CPUs that exhibit unstable behaviour
Ensure you're on the latest BIOS for your motherboard
Update your motherboard BIOS to the latest revision containing microcode 0x125. Whilst this ucode revision does not resolve the issue, Intel has clarified that it contains fixes within microcode pertinent to Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (ETVB) behaviour that results in unexpected boost behaviour under certain thermal conditions.
Use Intel Base Profiles
The latest BIOS for your motherboard should contain Performance Preference options for Intel Base profiles. Ensure Intel Default Settings is selected. If using a 13th-Gen or 14th Gen i9 processor, choose Profile Performance.
If not selected already, ensure that SVID Behaviour is set to Intel Fail Safe
My CPU is running hotter using Intel Base Profiles than Asus Optimised, is this normal?
Yes, it can be normal for your CPU to run hotter than usual when using Intel base profiles. This occurs because following Intel's guidelines more closely often results in higher core voltages under certain workloads. Previously, motherboard vendors set the Load-Line Calibration (LLC) lower than Intel's recommendations to achieve lower temperatures while still delivering high performance. However, depending on your motherboard adhering to Intel's guidelines can lead to increased voltages whilst operating within Intel's current limits. This can result in higher operating temperatures depending on the workload.
Disable XMP
XMP is considered overclocking. To eliminate overclocking instability XMP should be disabled if experiencing crashing or unstable behaviour. Be sure to retest the behaviour at DRAM defaults.
Evaluate Cooling
Ensure your CPU cooling is working within the expected realms. If still experiencing instability under the conditions described above, consider reapplying the thermal application and removing any third-party CPU contact frames which may impact signal integrity.
Is my CPU damaged?
If still experiencing instability at Optimised Defaults [Intel - Performance / Extreme Profile] with XMP overclocking disabled, you will need to contact Intel.
I've read there was a fabrication issue with oxidisation, Intel has confirmed it.
This issue is unrelated to the ETVB behaviour and firmware and is a physical defect. Currently, Intel has gone on record to state that a number of 13th-generation CPUs from 2023 are potentially impacted by this issue
11-13-2024 12:14 PM
I bought my 14700K back in Oct 2023 the moment it released and a ROG Maximus Z790 Hero motherboard. I just checked and my currrent BIOS is 1501. I really haven't followed the issues these CPUs have been having, because I haven't experienced any issues. No bluescreens or crashes or anything that would make me think I had a CPU issue. In the BIOS, I left most everything to Auto, but did use XMP I for my DDR5 RAM. No manual CPU overclocking. I've really only been using the PC to play games and normal daily Internet browsing, nothing really CPU intensive. I've been operating under the "If it isn't broken, don't try to fix it" mentality.
With all that said, I'm wondering if now is the time to update the BIOS to v2703 with Intel microcode 0x12B since it seems that has addressed the issues? Just because my CPU hasn't had any issues doesn't mean it's immune to future ones.
Also, I ran the Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool and everything passed, if that means anything.
11-13-2024 01:38 PM
@NEO701: Bevor you install.. see my post and problems to that -> https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel-700-600-series/problems-bios-version-1805-2024-11-12-for-rog-b-7...
11-15-2024 03:54 AM
Thanks a lot @Chrissi84 for your consideration.
I am checking the other thread now.
11-26-2024 12:31 PM
I started an RMA request on an out-of-warranty laptop under the impression that Intel would replace all the CPU's. But it's looking like Intel is claiming that there is nothing wrong with their HX models, whereas several laptop users from several different laptop brands are having problems (myself included). Here's hoping ASUS replaces the CPU for free, as they should, and that i'm not about to get scammed out of my money.
11-26-2024 12:33 PM
Not sure this applies to laptop mate --
Intel® reaffirms that both Intel® Core™ 13th and 14th Gen mobile processors and future client product families – including the codename Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake families - are unaffected by the Vmin Shift Instability issue.
11-26-2024 01:44 PM
So they say. But there's this post under Asus' own website https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/rog-strix-series/rog-scar-16-17-18-gaming-laptops-and-intel-13th-and-1... with over 9,000 views (which was closed by an admin). And this thread as well https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/rog-strix-series/13th-and-14th-gen-intel-crisis-are-laptops-included-g...with over 1,000 views. You think people just navigate through these forums for fun? We're coming here because we're having issues with our $3,000+ dollar laptops. Something fishy is going on here. I wonder just how many people have sent their laptops back in for repair across all brands with CPU issues. I wonder how many people have sent their laptops back in period with any type of issue. In my opinion, such information should be open and transparent. There was also a problem with early 13-gen series not related to the degredation. Maybe i'm just being a pessimist, and i'm definitely dumb for not reading the red-tape before starting the RMA report, but I just don't trust these companies.
11-27-2024 01:29 AM - edited 11-27-2024 01:30 AM
Did you look at the thread you linked? The admin told people to go to the ROG Care if they were having issues.
Secondly, "so they say" comes directly from the manufacturer of the CPU in a statement.
Thirdly, but not least - ASUS is updating HX SKUs. Not sure why you're posting here as this thread is for processors confirmed to be impacted by the Vmin shift issue.
11-29-2024 07:27 AM
Hello Everyone,
I have made a few posts to this thread starting on September 8, 2024 about my i7-13700K temperatures in my Asus Z790 Creator WiFi motherboard during heavy loads like transcoding video. The recommendation from other contributors to this thread was to upgrade my cooler.
I removed my Thermalright TA120EX cooler and replaced it with a Thermalright PS120SE. My idle temperatures are a few degrees cooler and heavy loads no longer pin my cores at 100 degrees. Instead the temperatures fluctuate and sometimes intermittently go into the upper 90's, but only for a few seconds. I am pretty pleased with the PS120SE. For those of you who are interested, here are a few observations about the cooler. The frame for the TA120EX was metal and perfectly rectangular. The frame for the PS120SE is plastic and a little out of square, but not enough to cause a problem. Instead of using the fans included with the PS120SE, I used the higher flow rate fans I had on my TA120EX. You do need to use the fan clips from the PS120SE because they are a little longer for the radiators which have a wider clip dimension. The instructions and fans do not indicate direction of airflow, so make sure everything is flowing in the proper direction before you close up the case. Coffee filters do a great job of removing old thermal paste.
11-30-2024 03:43 AM
My Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 smelled like burning plastic. Didn't changed after weeks. Ordered a second one from Amzn - same probem. Switched to Noctua. But TR performance, noise and build quality was good.
12-07-2024 06:46 AM - edited 12-07-2024 06:48 AM
A new BIOS v1801 has been released for the ROG Strix Z790-E WIFI II, someone already updated to this version?
Link: https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-z790-e-gaming-wifi-ii/helpdesk_bios/