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[Intel] Sept 2024 (Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen Desktop Processors

Silent_Scone
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September 25th Update:

Beta BIOS Links (microcode 0x12B)

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Z760

  • PROART B760-CREATOR
  • PROART B760-CREATOR D4
  • PROART B760-CREATOR WIFI

    Intel Community Forum
    Intel has localized the Vmin Shift Instability issue to a clock tree circuit within the IA core which is particularly vulnerable to reliability aging under elevated voltage and temperature. Intel has observed these conditions can lead to a duty cycle shift of the clocks and observed system instability.  

Intel has identified four (4) operating scenarios that can lead to Vmin shift in affected processors:

  1. Motherboard power delivery settings exceeding Intel power guidance. 
    a.  Mitigation: Intel Default Settings recommendations for Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen desktop processors.  
  2. eTVB Microcode algorithm which was allowing Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen i9 desktop processors to operate at higher performance states even at high temperatures. 
    a.  Mitigation: microcode 0x125 (June 2024) addresses eTVB algorithm issue.  
  3. Microcode SVID algorithm requesting high voltages at a frequency and duration which can cause Vmin shift. 
    a.  Mitigation: microcode 0x129 (August 2024) addresses high voltages requested by the processor.  
  4. Microcode and BIOS code requesting elevated core voltages which can cause Vmin shift especially during periods of idle and/or light activity. 
    a.  Mitigation: Intel is releasing microcode 0x12B, which encompasses 0x125 and 0x129 microcode updates, and addresses elevated voltage requests by the processor during idle and/or light activity periods.  

Regarding the 0x12B update, Intel is working with its partners to roll out the relevant BIOS update to the public.

Intel’s internal testing comparing 0x12B microcode to 0x125 microcode – on Intel® Core™ i9-14900K with DDR5 5200MT/s memory1  - indicates performance impact is within run-to-run variation (ie. Cinebench* R23, Speedometer*, WebXPRT4*, Crossmark*). For gaming workloads on Intel® Core™ i9-14900K with DDR5 5600MT/s memory2, performance is also within run-to-run variation (ie. Shadow of the Tomb Raider*, Cyberpunk* 2077, Hitman 3: Dartmoor*, Total War: Warhammer III – Mirrors of Madness*). However, system performance is dependent on configuration and several other factors.

Intel® reaffirms that both Intel® Core™ 13th and 14th Gen mobile processors and future client product families – including the codename Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake families - are unaffected by the Vmin Shift Instability issue. We appreciate our customers’ patience throughout the investigation, as well as our partners’ support in the analysis and relevant mitigations. 

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August 2024

Hi all,

This update will be pinned here for clarity on the ongoing situation with some 13th and 14th-gen CPUs experiencing instability exhibited at stock.

Intel has issued the following statement (07/22/2024)

Based on extensive analysis of Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors returned to us due to instability issues, we have determined that elevated operating voltage is causing instability issues in some 13th/14th Gen desktop processors. Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor.

Intel is delivering a microcode patch which addresses the root cause of exposure to elevated voltages. We are continuing validation to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors are addressed. Intel is currently targeting mid-August for patch release to partners following full validation.

Intel is committed to making this right with our customers, and we continue asking any customers currently experiencing instability issues on their Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance.

https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/July-2024-Update-on-Instability-Reports-on-Intel-Core-13th...

For CPUs that exhibit unstable behaviour

Ensure you're on the latest BIOS for your motherboard

Update your motherboard BIOS to the latest revision containing microcode 0x125. Whilst this ucode revision does not resolve the issue, Intel has clarified that it contains fixes within microcode pertinent to Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (ETVB) behaviour that results in unexpected boost behaviour under certain thermal conditions.

Use Intel Base Profiles
The latest BIOS for your motherboard should contain Performance Preference options for Intel Base profiles. Ensure Intel Default Settings is selected. If using a 13th-Gen or 14th Gen i9 processor, choose Profile Performance.
If not selected already, ensure that SVID Behaviour is set to Intel Fail Safe

My CPU is running hotter using Intel Base Profiles than Asus Optimised, is this normal?
Yes, it can be normal for your CPU to run hotter than usual when using Intel base profiles. This occurs because following Intel's guidelines more closely often results in higher core voltages under certain workloads. Previously, motherboard vendors set the Load-Line Calibration (LLC) lower than Intel's recommendations to achieve lower temperatures while still delivering high performance. However, depending on your motherboard adhering to Intel's guidelines can lead to increased voltages whilst operating within Intel's current limits. This can result in higher operating temperatures depending on the workload.

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Disable XMP

XMP is considered overclocking. To eliminate overclocking instability XMP should be disabled if experiencing crashing or unstable behaviour. Be sure to retest the behaviour at DRAM defaults.

Evaluate Cooling

Ensure your CPU cooling is working within the expected realms. If still experiencing instability under the conditions described above, consider reapplying the thermal application and removing any third-party CPU contact frames which may impact signal integrity.

Is my CPU damaged?

If still experiencing instability at Optimised Defaults [Intel - Performance / Extreme Profile] with XMP overclocking disabled, you will need to contact Intel.

I've read there was a fabrication issue with oxidisation, Intel has confirmed it.
This issue is unrelated to the ETVB behaviour and firmware and is a physical defect. Currently,  Intel has gone on record to state that a number of 13th-generation CPUs from 2023 are potentially impacted by this issue

ASUS FAQ

13900KS / 8000 CAS36 / ROG APEX Z790 / ROG TUF RTX 4090
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dudifergus456
Level 9

I have just installed the latest bios 1703 and played a little cs2 and web surfing. My initial experience is no instability at at all both on web surfing and playing. The temperature has how ever gone down when web surfing, but I sense the temperature during playing as gone a little up. I have (Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE - Black ARGB) installed and it is spinning audibly during play. I fear that the Thermalright  is not up to the task of cooling the 14700k during intense load. Have you guys noticed this on your gear? I thought i was buying a good cooling solution for the 14700k but i feel they run a little warm during gaming or is this normal

ROG STRIX Z790-F GAMING WIFI II, ASUS TUF 4070. G-SKILL TRIDENT Z5 DDR5-6400, Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE, CPU Intel Core i7-14700K Raptor Lake-S

I'm not experiencing any temperature differences between 1503 and 1703. However the forced C1E State and its resulting downclocks are definitely causing issues. There is some good discussion in the thread below about the latency issues that the forced C1E state is causing. Something is not right here.

https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel-700-600-series/z790-new-bios-2703-cpu-throttling-to-800mhz-probl...

A 280mm or 360mm AIO is recommended for cooling these CPUs. With your air cooler I would suggest you do some undervolting by setting a negative global SVID offset, and setting a lower powerlimit in BIOS.

Ntinsky
Level 9
Version 1802 is out of beta today for some TUF Z790 series motherboards. For those who were wondering, i included direct links
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2024/10/24

"1. Updated with Intel microcode 0x12B to address elevated voltage requests during idle or light activity, further mitigating Vmin Shift instability issues.
2. The option to disable C1E in the BIOS has been removed to ensure it remains enabled, reducing processor stress and maintaining stability per Intel's recommendation.

Updating this BIOS will simultaneously update the corresponding Intel ME to version 16.1.32.2473v3. Please note after you update this BIOS, the ME version remains the updated one even if you roll back to an older BIOS later. "




TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI
https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/BIOS/TUF-GAMING-Z790-PLUS-WIFI-ASUS-1802.zip

TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI D4
https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/BIOS/TUF-GAMING-Z790-PLUS-WIFI-D4-ASUS-1802.zip


UPDATE

New BIOS worked fine with my z790-gaming plus wifi d4 and a 13700k. I 've been testing the beta since its release and i just reapplied the same settings on the new BIOS

A very generous 30538 CB score and a stress test with AVX2 using XTU for half an hour without any issues and a max temp of 74C
https://imgur.com/a/Pkk8RLC

 

1802?

I thought all BIOS with the 0x12B update had "7" as the second digit. And the ME version on my 1702 was mentioned as 16.1.32.2473 whereas the ME on your 1802 has the addition of the "v3" bit.

I'm wondering if everyone can expect another BIOS with the v3 management engine or if it's something that's unique to TUF boards? Can't imagine why it would be.

@Silent_Scone 

You can assume that the "7" update versions also include IntelME Intel ME to version 16.1.32.2473 v3.

Some motherboards say "Intel ME to version 16.1.32.2473v3" and others just say "Intel ME to version 16.1.32.2473". If you look at the individual updates, it always says "Intel ME to version 16.1.32.2473" even though it is already v3 or v4, etc.

Intel Core i7 13700K / AiO Fractal Design Lumen S36 v2 RGB / Asus Rog Strix Z790-F Gaming WIFI / Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR5-5600 64GB (4x 16GB) / Asus TUF RTX 4070 ti OC / 4x Samsung 980 pro 1TB / Seasonic Prime GX 850 W Gold / Fractal Design Meshify 2 Lite RGB Black TG Light Tint / Monitor AOC Q27G2S/EU (WQHD)

It was in beta so a lot of things might have changed while in that phase. Good thing is that it runs stable no matter which version number the chose to give it.

 

Also, i don't see a full and detailed changelog so who knows what exactly they did with it in Asus  during testing.

Gessler
Level 10

Something else I just noticed. The SP score of my 14700K used to be 68 on all previous BIOS versions I ran with (0507, 1301, 1503) but once I updated to 1703 the SP became 71.

Isn't SP determined by estimated silicon quality at the hardware level? How could that change with a BIOS update?

Anyone else experienced this?

My score has decreased!

13700k

in 1663 bios (on tuf gaming z790 Pro) : SP =90

P core SP = 98 

E core SP= 76

in new bios 1802 : SP =88

P core SP = 98 

E core SP= 68  !!!

 

I don't know if this is a sign of degradation or not.

 

that is not degradation, that probably due to a change in how it calculates SP rating.

degradation is if you see your cpu is asking for more voltage for a frequency.