07-23-2024 12:37 AM - edited 10-02-2024 12:23 AM
September 25th Update:
Beta BIOS Links (microcode 0x12B)
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Intel has identified four (4) operating scenarios that can lead to Vmin shift in affected processors:
Regarding the 0x12B update, Intel is working with its partners to roll out the relevant BIOS update to the public.
Intel’s internal testing comparing 0x12B microcode to 0x125 microcode – on Intel® Core™ i9-14900K with DDR5 5200MT/s memory1 - indicates performance impact is within run-to-run variation (ie. Cinebench* R23, Speedometer*, WebXPRT4*, Crossmark*). For gaming workloads on Intel® Core™ i9-14900K with DDR5 5600MT/s memory2, performance is also within run-to-run variation (ie. Shadow of the Tomb Raider*, Cyberpunk* 2077, Hitman 3: Dartmoor*, Total War: Warhammer III – Mirrors of Madness*). However, system performance is dependent on configuration and several other factors.
Intel® reaffirms that both Intel® Core™ 13th and 14th Gen mobile processors and future client product families – including the codename Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake families - are unaffected by the Vmin Shift Instability issue. We appreciate our customers’ patience throughout the investigation, as well as our partners’ support in the analysis and relevant mitigations.
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August 2024
Hi all,
This update will be pinned here for clarity on the ongoing situation with some 13th and 14th-gen CPUs experiencing instability exhibited at stock.
Intel has issued the following statement (07/22/2024)
Based on extensive analysis of Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors returned to us due to instability issues, we have determined that elevated operating voltage is causing instability issues in some 13th/14th Gen desktop processors. Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor.
Intel is delivering a microcode patch which addresses the root cause of exposure to elevated voltages. We are continuing validation to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors are addressed. Intel is currently targeting mid-August for patch release to partners following full validation.
Intel is committed to making this right with our customers, and we continue asking any customers currently experiencing instability issues on their Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance.
For CPUs that exhibit unstable behaviour
Ensure you're on the latest BIOS for your motherboard
Update your motherboard BIOS to the latest revision containing microcode 0x125. Whilst this ucode revision does not resolve the issue, Intel has clarified that it contains fixes within microcode pertinent to Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (ETVB) behaviour that results in unexpected boost behaviour under certain thermal conditions.
Use Intel Base Profiles
The latest BIOS for your motherboard should contain Performance Preference options for Intel Base profiles. Ensure Intel Default Settings is selected. If using a 13th-Gen or 14th Gen i9 processor, choose Profile Performance.
If not selected already, ensure that SVID Behaviour is set to Intel Fail Safe
My CPU is running hotter using Intel Base Profiles than Asus Optimised, is this normal?
Yes, it can be normal for your CPU to run hotter than usual when using Intel base profiles. This occurs because following Intel's guidelines more closely often results in higher core voltages under certain workloads. Previously, motherboard vendors set the Load-Line Calibration (LLC) lower than Intel's recommendations to achieve lower temperatures while still delivering high performance. However, depending on your motherboard adhering to Intel's guidelines can lead to increased voltages whilst operating within Intel's current limits. This can result in higher operating temperatures depending on the workload.
Disable XMP
XMP is considered overclocking. To eliminate overclocking instability XMP should be disabled if experiencing crashing or unstable behaviour. Be sure to retest the behaviour at DRAM defaults.
Evaluate Cooling
Ensure your CPU cooling is working within the expected realms. If still experiencing instability under the conditions described above, consider reapplying the thermal application and removing any third-party CPU contact frames which may impact signal integrity.
Is my CPU damaged?
If still experiencing instability at Optimised Defaults [Intel - Performance / Extreme Profile] with XMP overclocking disabled, you will need to contact Intel.
I've read there was a fabrication issue with oxidisation, Intel has confirmed it.
This issue is unrelated to the ETVB behaviour and firmware and is a physical defect. Currently, Intel has gone on record to state that a number of 13th-generation CPUs from 2023 are potentially impacted by this issue
08-18-2024 01:39 PM
I'm not specialist but what's amper limit?? I have mine 13900k and with amper limited to 307A It want reach 200 watts. To get 253W you need 400 amps. Like in extreme profil for 13900k. Ampers limits watts.
08-18-2024 06:32 AM
Ok as a follow up to my issue of getting above 1.55 VIDs despite updating to 0x129, I've found that my TVB settings have changed following the update, this is what they look like now:
And this was before the update (BIOS 1301, also at default):
The temp/clockspeed bins have disappeared and TVB Voltage Optimization is now set to Auto as opposed to Enabled previously (though it says default is enabled).
Is this supposed to be right? How do your TVB settings look following the update?
08-18-2024 08:04 AM - edited 08-18-2024 08:05 AM
Leave those settings. TVB settings are enabled by default using Intel Default profile as this setting is needed to enforce Intel's voltage cap. Depending on the CPU, you may still see the CPU VID request above 1.55v, but the Vcore (see HWINFO Nuvoton section) should not exceed 1.55v (die sense).
For example using a static voltage of 1.6v in XTU
Apex Encore 1503 [ Intel Default - Extreme] BIOS Defaults
Apex Encore 1503 [ Intel Default - Extreme] TVB Settings Disabled
08-18-2024 08:20 AM - edited 08-18-2024 08:38 AM
Hmm, so nothing wrong with seeing above 1.55 VIDs? I thought it was the VID requests that the new microcode was supposed to cap, not Vcore (which would anyway be capped if VID is capped).
Would you suppose the high VIDs are a result of degradation or just silicon quality? My SP is only 68.
The highest Vcore I've seen was 1.518V. The Vcore never went above 1.55 in at least as far as HWiNFO could catch at default polling rate.
EDIT: As a clarification, I did not change these settings, the changes seen in pics I posted above were done by default following the update to 1503.
08-18-2024 08:46 AM
The CPU may request more it doesn't mean it's going to get it. Only Intel knows how the voltage capped - but what is known is that TVB needs to be enabled to enforce it.
08-18-2024 08:50 AM
But the guy is saying the intel defaults aint enabled anymore for TVB, he saying it changed to Auto, should the intel default for TVB not now be Enabled ?
08-18-2024 08:52 AM - edited 08-18-2024 08:54 AM
I only see Voltage Optimisation set to Auto. The fact is, TVB needs to be enabled and if you want the voltage cap to stay enforced it's best not to deviate these settings from what the board is setting by default.
08-18-2024 08:57 AM
It was set to Auto by default after the update to 1503. On the older 1301 it was set to Enable by default.
Any idea why it changed and why the temp/clockspeed bin numbers disappeared?
Did your motherboard also change it to Auto after 1503?
08-18-2024 09:08 AM - edited 08-18-2024 09:16 AM
Can’t answer why, but can confirm the setting now does set Auto. You should be able to set temperature/ratio bin points the same as before, although I haven’t tested this behaviour on 0x129.
ETVB is enabled by default, that's what is important. You don't need to deviate from *any* default settings.
08-18-2024 09:24 AM
Thanks for the information!
I don't want to change anything, was just wondering why the old BIOS was set to drop 1 bin at 70C and another bin at 100C across all cores by default, but now I'm just seeing Zeroes across the board on the new BIOS.