01-03-2025 02:23 AM
Assembled my new system several days ago and with Windows 11 23H2 and 24H2.
After 30-45 seconds of being in the fresh install O.S. I get an endless, permanent, unrecoverable black screen every time. When I QUICKLY check the Windows Event Logs at the next boot up they come back as 0x00000116 VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE in these logs. Tried reseating the GPU (RTX 4070 Ti Super) several times.
When I use the second PCIE 16x slot on the Z790 Creator (which is also CPU electrically connected to the CPU like the first PCIE 16x slot is) it works great. ZERO issues at all. Rock solid and dependable.
I'm stumped. Bios is fully up to date (2801). CMOS cleared. DDU'd and multiple drivers attempted. Tried lots of things.
I am thinking a CPU (13900K) issue, but it doesn't make any sense to be CPU issue because the second 16x slot that works perfectly is connected to the CPU on this motherboard like the first (problematic) 16x slot is.
Any ideas why the first (top) PCIE 16x CPU slot is doing this? If I have to live with permanently using the second 16x CPU slot, that's fine. Just hoping someone may have some suggestions as to what may be going on.
a month ago - last edited a month ago
Oh my goodness, I have been searching for days about this. I updated my bios from 2102 to 2801 and I'm getting the same crash. I have not tried the second PCI-E slot though.
I'm on a 14900k with Intel default setting across the board. I've also tried 2703 with the same error. The only stable BIOS I can use is 2102 with manual overrides.
I'm going to guess it was introduced in 2505 since the update notes say, "Revise Redriver setting for PCIEX16_1 => Improved device compatibility.
Lastly, I have a replacement 14900k I'll be installing this Saturday so I'll keep my post updated. I really don't get this either.
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EDIT: Found another thread with the same issue: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/804343/my-new-desktop-build-keeps-restarting
a month ago
I'll give downgrading to 2102 from 2801 a try. Perhaps that will fix things. How horrible is this, that’s' such a massive BIOS downgrade of so many versions.
I never did get the TDR BSOD on the second PCIE slot however I did get BSOD 0x0000001e on the second PCIE slot twice randomly.
I ended up RMA'ing the RTX 4070 Ti Super and am currently waiting for a 1:1 replacement.
I reseated the CPU also (pain in the neck) and reseated the ram as well.
Hopefully between downgrading to BIOS 2102, reseating the CPU, reseating the RAM and a new GPU, things will be stable without any BSOD.
Maybe at some future date after the current BIOS 2801, they will fix this, and it will be safe to update the BIOS again.
I'm an experienced PC builder. Have assembled maybe 100 PC's since the mid 1990's, so the odds that I am doing something wrong on my end to cause these issues are low. (there’s something wrong on the Asus side). Anyway, good luck, let's continue to keep each other updated.
4 weeks ago - last edited 4 weeks ago
I ended up not replacing the CPU as I was able to get BIOS version 2504 stable with intel default settings and XMP enabled.
I think our issue lies in the new bios from 2505 onwards. I am genuinely curious if it has something to do with Super cards?
I’ve stress tested it all day with OCCT and Cinebench R23 with no issues. Played a few games and everything seems stable. No BSODs or black screens as well as no WHEA logging errors. Think I’m going to leave it how it is and wait for a response from ASUS.
P.S. I’m locking my machine to win11 23H2 as I saw TPM errors with this board when I tried on 24H2.
4 weeks ago - last edited 4 weeks ago
Hi, I just joined because I am so happy someone else has reported this problem. I have a z790 Creator with 13900K and RTX 4090. At some point I started getting all of these TDR failure BSODs. I have updated BIOSs over the last 6 months to prevent the CPU from degrading. This thread provides evidence to the fact the bios is the problem. I never had an issue like this until I started applying all of these BIOS updates.
I have been to work around this by setting the power management mode to "Prefer Maximum Performance" in the nvidia control panel under 3D settings. If I change this back to the default setting, TDR failure BSODs occur every few minutes on just the desktop. I have also replaced my power supply and RAM in order to find the root cause, but this did not help.
I have been pulling my hair out on this issue the last 1.5 month and I am ready to move to an AMD platform to resolve this completely, if necessary.
I will follow this thread to see if this gets resolved.
4 weeks ago
Do ASUS electrical engineers and Software Developer's have access to this forum?
How can they be made aware that when they added "Revise Redriver setting for PCIEX16_1 => Improved device compatibility to the 2024/08/22 Version 2505 BIOS update for this Z790 Creator motherboard that people are experiencing Blue Screen's of Death in Windows Based Operating Systems.
They are using an Agile or Waterfall software development method. Surely there is a way for them to fix this "redriver" issue that was not able to be identified in acceptance testing before release. Due all the reported issues from their customer stakeholders.
For those that are affected, the Z790 Creator motherboard product is unusable until a patch is released.
3 weeks ago
Just to post an update after a few weeks, I’ve been using BIOS 2504 with no issues. Still on windows 23H2 and I’m 100% stable while playing games, watching videos and using 3D modeling/rendering software.
Anyone else have any updates with workarounds like the above power plan setting one?