Strix Z590-A - BIOS 0704 to 0707 performance hit

[chrismog2_2]

Hello -

I'm noticing a performance drop since upgrading my Strix Z590-A BIOS from 0704 (beta) to 0707 with my i9-11900K. All settings the same (XMP enabled, ABT on, MCE on) as far as I can tell. On 0704, the chip would boost to all-core 5 GHz and temps would be in the low to mid 80C during a Cinebench R23 test. On 0707, it's floating between 4.7-4.8 GHz all core, and temps topping out at 70-71C, almost like that's the new thermal limit. Has the boosting behavior and/or the MCE parameters changed between these BIOS versions? Outside of a manual OC, anything I can look at to return it to previous behavior? Thanks.

[Shamino]

hi there
if u dont mind me being blunt, ABT is only meaningful if it is opportunistic based on all these conditions.
really i think what you want is all cores at 51x and 2 cores load at 53x. unconditionally even.
i can understand that and very easily without too much fuss you can set it up the way you want:

[chrismog2_2]

Shamino wrote:
hi there
if u dont mind me being blunt, ABT is only meaningful if it is opportunistic based on all these conditions.
really i think what you want is all cores at 51x and 2 cores load at 53x. unconditionally even.
i can understand that and very easily without too much fuss you can set it up the way you want:

Then if you don't mind a blunt reply, I'd like ABT to be working as it was designed without having to fiddle with other settings, considering Intel's statement that usage of it does not void their warranty. Especially since it appeared to work in the previous beta version of this BIOS. (yes I know they can't really tell if you're overclocking unless you go wild with it)

I mean, if you're going to say that ABT is enabled in BIOS right on the support page... it damn well should be enabled and do something. And by definition, it should allow boosting up to 5.1 GHz all cores as long as temperatures stay under 100C, if the description is correct?

[Shamino]

chrismog2_2 wrote:
Then if you don't mind a blunt reply, I'd like ABT to be working as it was designed without having to fiddle with other settings, considering Intel's statement that usage of it does not void their warranty. Especially since it appeared to work in the previous beta version of this BIOS. (yes I know they can't really tell if you're overclocking unless you go wild with it)

I mean, if you're going to say that ABT is enabled in BIOS right on the support page... it damn well should be enabled and do something. And by definition, it should allow boosting up to 5.1 GHz all cores as long as temperatures stay under 100C, if the description is correct?

if you disable vmax stress and tvb clipping then yes, but it becomes more of a run until 100c type of static frequency which i dont think was the intention of ABT and more the type of setting i was pointing towards.
but yes, if mce is enabled, and the afore mentioned disabled, and temperature regulator option to keep temps below 90c is disabled , then i would think it will full throttle till 100c.

[chrismog2_2]

Shamino wrote:
if you disable vmax stress and tvb clipping then yes, but it becomes more of a run until 100c type of static frequency which i dont think was the intention of ABT and more the type of setting i was pointing towards.
but yes, if mce is enabled, and the afore mentioned disabled, and temperature regulator option to keep temps below 90c is disabled , then i would think it will full throttle till 100c.

All I'm saying is I disabled those options as you recommended, and neither ABT nor MCE, nor any combination of the two, is even getting me close to the 90c threshold denoted by Asus' MCE description, let alone the 100c advertised as part of the ABT spec in Intel's materials. And that seems like it's not operating as advertised. I am getting the extended turbo duration, but it's stopping at TVB frequencies.

[chrismog2_2]

I will say that the core ratio settings did work (I kept it to 5.0 GHz all core, 5.1 for 4 cores, and 5.3 for 2 cores), so thank you for that. I didn't make any other adjustments beyond what was already discussed on this thread. While I'm still curious as to why ABT isn't pushing up to these frequencies, at least this gets back to what I'm expecting to see.

[Shamino]

i dont know why , i see your on 0707 as well, and i suppose you have high perf power profile in power plan?

[chrismog2_2]

Shamino wrote:
i dont know why , i see your on 0707 as well, and i suppose you have high perf power profile in power plan?

Yes, high performance, min/max processor state 100%, and active cooling policy.

[Shamino]

Ah now I thought of some. There were reports of microcode not updating wuth usb flashback. Check cpu config menu see if its 3c. If not then that explauns. Perhaps use ezflash

[chrismog2_2]

It is revision 3C. I've done all my updates using EZFlash so far.

[Seth_Anton]

I had exactly the same issue. 11900k under multi-stress on Cinebench 23 reached max speed on all cores 4.7/4.8ghz
that was with ABT enabled and Multicore enhancement enabled/remove all limits.

the only thing that worked and had 5ghz on all cores on full load of R23 was the AI overclocking.
By the way is it ok to use AI overclocking? works great so far with good temps