New to building gaming rig

[Veracis]

First off I want to apologize for the lack of any specific part information. I am brand new to attempting to build a PC and do not really know much about the different options out there.

Budget: 1500-2000 US dollars (not including peripherals)
Main uses of intended build: Gaming (World of tanks, Skyrim, any new PC intensive game coming out, MMOs etc). I do not do video editing/photoshop/rendering tho may want to do live streaming.
Parts required:
Previous build information (list details of parts): ASUS ROG laptop. no previous desktop
Monitor resolution: No monitor yet. Single monitor will be purchased.
Storage requirements: SSD for OS and probably regular HD for data (optimal from what I read)
Will you be overclocking: yes/no (delete as required) - Probably
Any motherboard requirements (no. of USB, Xfire/SLI, fan headers): Nothing specific
Extra information about desired system:
Watercool vs Fan (I have multiple cats and will be getting a dog.. lots of hair in apartment. Is water cooling preferable in this situation?)
AMD/Radeon vs Intel/NVIDIA, I was told for strictly gaming AMD is the way to go but I am a novice.

I am looking to purchase around mid to late December. I want a desktop that can last me atleast 3-4 years of high performance. My current laptop can barely play SC2 (I had to Underclock the card with the gpu tweak so I wouldn't bluescreen from heat and or something else since it wasn't always over 100 degrees.)

[Veracis]

Antronman wrote:
Rosewill cases are almost better than a tin can.

What is the downside.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147175 this one seems to get good reviews.
What are the pro and cons of a corsair or coolmaster over a rosewill?

[Antronman]

Rosewill cases are made with lower-quality materials sometimes, have okay airflow and generally bad expansion in terms of cooling options, but very cheap cases. Coolermasters have a lot of pre-fabricated blobs on them which makes them pretty bad for casemodders, and sometimes ugly, but they usually have great airflow and are made with good quality materials. They also have fair expansion, and are moderately priced. Corsairs are the best-looking, and usually have tons of expansion options and are made with top-quality materials. The one case I have seen with better expansion than the Obsidian 900D that isn't a several hundred dollar caselabs work of art is the Phanteks Enthoo Primo, which comes in at 100USD cheaper than the 900D as well as having more cooling expansion.

In my personal opinion, avoid the i7 4770K, the i5 4670k is proven to be stronger in games and is around $80 less. Plus if you don't plan on video/photo editing then the Hyperthreading feature that makes an i7 an i7 is useless as hyperthreading does absolutely nothing inside games. Get and i5 4670K, save the money and be practical, it is about 5% better in games too and makes a tad bit less heat.

Lies, lies, lies. There are modern games that take advantage of hyperthreading like Battlefield 4, and if I am not mistaken Crysis 3 just to name a few and it makes playing them on Maximum settings much easier on your system. Regardless, the 4770k always outperforms the 4670k and is actually barely over 100USD more than the i5-4670k. The i5-4670k also has a 6mb cache versus the 4770k cache of 8mb. That actually makes a very big difference in CPU performance. It has a higher base clock, and can achieve higher OCs I believe.

[muellerdillon]

Antronman wrote:
Rosewill cases are made with lower-quality materials sometimes, have okay airflow and generally bad expansion in terms of cooling options, but very cheap cases. Coolermasters have a lot of pre-fabricated blobs on them which makes them pretty bad for casemodders, and sometimes ugly, but they usually have great airflow and are made with good quality materials. They also have fair expansion, and are moderately priced. Corsairs are the best-looking, and usually have tons of expansion options and are made with top-quality materials. The one case I have seen with better expansion than the Obsidian 900D that isn't a several hundred dollar caselabs work of art is the Phanteks Enthoo Primo, which comes in at 100USD cheaper than the 900D as well as having more cooling expansion.

I've got a buddy with an i7 4770k, he can't achieve a higher OC, it runs much warmer, and when he has hyperthreading on it causes BF4 to stutter constantly. Also the frequency isn't everything when it comes to a processor, secondly im trying to save him money, its not necessary for gaming...period, ive shared my opinion.



Lies, lies, lies. There are modern games that take advantage of hyperthreading like Battlefield 4, and if I am not mistaken Crysis 3 just to name a few and it makes playing them on Maximum settings much easier on your system. Regardless, the 4770k always outperforms the 4670k and is actually barely over 100USD more than the i5-4670k. The i5-4670k also has a 6mb cache versus the 4770k cache of 8mb. That actually makes a very big difference in CPU performance. It has a higher base clock, and can achieve higher OCs I believe.

I've got a buddy with an i7 4770k, he can't achieve a higher OC, it runs much warmer, and when he has hyperthreading on it causes BF4 to stutter constantly. Also the frequency isn't everything when it comes to a processor, secondly im trying to save him money, its not necessary for gaming...period, ive shared my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt but the 100 dollars is not worth it.

[Antronman]

muellerdillon wrote:
I've got a buddy with an i7 4770k, he can't achieve a higher OC, it runs much warmer, and when he has hyperthreading on it causes BF4 to stutter constantly. Also the frequency isn't everything when it comes to a processor, secondly im trying to save him money, its not necessary for gaming...period, ive shared my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt but the 100 dollars is not worth it.

Is he any good at OCing? Because Nate showed a link above that has results made by pros, and we even had one of those pros make a forum thread that demonstrated the exact same results. BF4 multiplayer on Maximum settings uses a bit over 4GBs of system Ram, and around 1.9 Gbs of GDDR5 GPU RAM. BF4 uses hyperthreading technology as well. If he stutters it does not mean that it is because he has a 4770k. It could just be because his CPU is bad. Haswell CPUs are a silicon lottery most of the time. But if you have one i5-4670k, and an i7-4770k of the exact same quality then the 4770k will always outperform the i5-4670k. Look at any site with benchmarks comparing them.

[muellerdillon]

Antronman wrote:
Is he any good at OCing? Because Nate showed a link above that has results made by pros, and we even had one of those pros make a forum thread that demonstrated the exact same results. BF4 multiplayer on Maximum settings uses a bit over 4GBs of system Ram, and around 1.9 Gbs of GDDR5 GPU RAM. BF4 uses hyperthreading technology as well. If he stutters it does not mean that it is because he has a 4770k. It could just be because his CPU is bad. Haswell CPUs are a silicon lottery most of the time. But if you have one i5-4670k, and an i7-4770k of the exact same quality then the 4770k will always outperform the i5-4670k. Look at any site with benchmarks comparing them.

I'm not here to offend anyone or start fights, but he is excellent at OC'ing, and no he doesnt have the best chip, its about average, but his hyperthreading gives amazing performance anywhere but BF4, and he knows this because his stuttering vanishes when he disables it. He currently runs 1.2v @ 4.0ghz, not the best chip he ever had but the hyperthreading shouldn't cause that, may have something to do with his setup idk, but as a gamer the extra 200~300 points in a benchmark arent worth $100, maybe it could do better in the future but if you're like me, ill be rebuilding in 4 years or less, just got my new one this christmas. Its my third, and my first time with ROG, and i love this community!!

Just trying to be helpful like the rest.

[Antronman]

I'm sorry that hyperthreading gives your friend problems, but it has been demonstrated multiple times that BF4 runs better on hyperthreaded CPUs.

[muellerdillon]

http://cdn.hardwarepal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/BF-4-1920-x-1080-Ultra-settings-GTX-770-vs-797...

[kkn]

the game it stil messed up thats why he stil have stuttering init.

[Veracis]

Wow I brought out an interesting argument. I probably wont be hardcore overclocking but may want the flexibility in the future. Unfortunately NCIX had the gskill Ripjaw x 1866 on sale for 129 and they sold out before I could even log in to buy them 🙂

So far I purchased the Hero mobo and I went with the CM 690 III case, 119.99 with Seidon 120V watercooler ( even if it sucks i'll just replace it) and it comes with a 20$ visa prepaid card if you buy before 1/29.

[Animekid117]

I am new to gaming as well but I found my rig to be fairly stable and very fast with the following parts:
Intel Core i5-4670K
ASUS Maximus VI Hero
NVIDIA GTX 650 however this card is outdated and I am getting 2 AMD R9 270X cards for CrossFire
Corsair Vengeance 16 GB RAM but you can save $80 bucks by just having 8 GB
256 GB main SSD
1 TB HDD
850 Watt PSU so I can use it for upgrades in the future and not have to buy a whole new PSU
ASUS DVD R/W
Also in you situation with pets that shed your best bet is to liquid cool the CPU but have enough airflow for your graphics card. I managed all that and stayed under $1500.