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Maximus X Formula with 8700K NEW BUILD ADVICE

ExGreyFox
Level 7
Hello all,

I posted in another thread regarding a new build centered around the Ryzen 2700x but after more research I have settled on the 8700K and Maximus X Formula

Wanted top run this parts list by you guys:

CPU: Core i7-8700K
RAM: G.Skill TridentZ RGB 32GB
MOBO: ASUS ROG MAXIMUS X FORMULA
GFX: GTX 980Ti for now (Re-Unisg my exisitng GPU until 1180 comes out)
Cooler: NZXT Kraken x62
Storage: Samsung 970EVo NVMe M.2 500GB (OS) + Samsung 970EVo NVMe M.2 1TB (Games)
PSU: Corsair AX1200i 1200 Watt (Re-using Old existing PSU)
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit

I absolutely need 32GB RAM for flight simulator use.

A few concerns:
1) Can you please recommend a 32GB kit from the G.Skill TridentZ RGB line? Should I get 2x16GB or 4x8GB, which is best?
2) Will the NZXT AIO Kraken x62 be sufficient for the 8700k and hitting 5GHz or should I go with x72 ?
3) I did not see the SAMSUNG 970 Evo PCIe NVMe M.2s in the QVL for the Maximus X Formula. Will they work?

Thank you!

Intel i7-8700k Coffee Lake@stock
G.Skill TridentZ RGB 32GB (2x16) 3200MHz
ASUS ROG STRIX GTX 1080 Ti
Maximus X FORMULA Z370 BIOS 1401
NZXT Kraken x62 AIO
SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 500GB (OS)
SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB (Games)
Corsair AX1200i 1200 Watt
Cooler Master HAF X
HOTAS Warthog | TrackIR 5 | Saitek Pro Combat Pedals
Heatware

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Snakeyes wrote:
Yup.

To reiterate what I said earlier, with Intel CPUs the impact of different memory speeds is minimal and definitely not noticeable unless the PCs used for heavy video and picture editing. AMD CPUs, on the other hand are more linked in performance to memory speeds. Frankly, I would spend money and time on the CPU, GPU and general overclocking.


Got it! I want to also go with a 2x16GB kit so that I can offload the IMC. I feel like 4x8GB would be pretty taxing for the CPU.

Intel i7-8700k Coffee Lake@stock
G.Skill TridentZ RGB 32GB (2x16) 3200MHz
ASUS ROG STRIX GTX 1080 Ti
Maximus X FORMULA Z370 BIOS 1401
NZXT Kraken x62 AIO
SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 500GB (OS)
SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB (Games)
Corsair AX1200i 1200 Watt
Cooler Master HAF X
HOTAS Warthog | TrackIR 5 | Saitek Pro Combat Pedals
Heatware

EvolutionX
Level 7
Looks like we have a similar setup
8700K
Rog Maximus X Hero WiFi
GSkill RGB 16g 3200 16-18-18-18-32 ( too slow for me )
Evga 1080Ti iCX
Corsair AX860i PSU
W10 Pro

The X62 should be fine as I had the EVGA280 and ran Aida64Ex for 20 min @ 4.7 and never got over 70c but I had to return it as I could not mount it on top and my GPU was getting to hot as i had no front intake's. I got the X72 the other day ran aida64 again and dropped 5c-8c. I too have the same question about the M.2's as the 970 is not on the list but the 860evo is.
IMO just to be safe just pick a set thats on the QVL and a low CL like the 15. I got and email back form GSkill about the same quesion on speed on the memory.

" Between C14 and C16, the difference depends on the application and task. Lower latency can reduce overall processing time, but in actuality, unless you have two machines side by side or benchmark test, it depends on whether the user can notice a 10 or 15 second difference. In the end, it becomes a matter of whether you want the best of what is available. DDR4 is DDR4 and will still perform great either way.

Thank you
GSKILL SUPPORT "


ExGreyFox wrote:
Hello all,

I posted in another thread regarding a new build centered around the Ryzen 2700x but after more research, I have settled on the 8700K and Maximus X Formula

Wanted top run this parts list by you guys:

CPU: Core i7-8700K
RAM: G.Skill TridentZ RGB 32GB
MOBO: ASUS ROG MAXIMUS X FORMULA
GFX: GTX 980Ti for now (Re-Unisg my exisitng GPU until 1180 comes out)
Cooler: NZXT Kraken x62
Storage: Samsung 970EVo NVMe M.2 500GB (OS) + Samsung 970EVo NVMe M.2 1TB (Games)
PSU: Corsair AX1200i 1200 Watt (Re-using Old existing PSU)
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit

A few concerns:
1) Can you please recommend a 32GB kit from the G.Skill TridentZ RGB line? Should I get 2x16GB or 4x8GB, which is best?
2) Will the NZXT AIO Kraken x62 be sufficient for the 8700k and hitting 5GHz or should I go with x72 ?
3) I did not see the SAMSUNG 970 Evo PCIe NVMe M.2s in the QVL for the Maximus X Formula. Will they work?

Thank you!

EvolutionX wrote:
Looks like we have a similar setup
8700K
Rog Maximus X Hero WiFi
GSkill RGB 16g 3200 16-18-18-18-32 ( too slow for me )
Evga 1080Ti iCX
Corsair AX860i PSU
W10 Pro

The X62 should be fine as I had the EVGA280 and ran Aida64Ex for 20 min @ 4.7 and never got over 70c but I had to return it as I could not mount it on top and my GPU was getting to hot as i had no front intake's. I got the X72 the other day ran aida64 again and dropped 5c-8c. I too have the same question about the M.2's as the 970 is not on the list but the 860evo is.
IMO just to be safe just pick a set thats on the QVL and a low CL like the 15. I got and email back form GSkill about the same quesion on speed on the memory.

" Between C14 and C16, the difference depends on the application and task. Lower latency can reduce overall processing time, but in actuality, unless you have two machines side by side or benchmark test, it depends on whether the user can notice a 10 or 15 second difference. In the end, it becomes a matter of whether you want the best of what is available. DDR4 is DDR4 and will still perform great either way.

Thank you
GSKILL SUPPORT "

The QVL is from 2017 and the 970 PRO and 970 EVO were available for purchase beginning May 7, 2018. So I think they would work. I think the QVL needs to be updated

ExGreyFox
Level 7
Ok so I think I've nailed down what I need and am getting ready to pull the trigger:

CPU: Core i7-8700K
RAM: G.Skill TridentZ RGB 32GB (2x16GB CL15) F4-3200C15D-32GTZR
MOBO: ASUS ROG MAXIMUS X FORMULA
GFX: GTX 980Ti for now (Re-Using my existing GPU until 1180 comes out)
Cooler: NZXT Kraken x62
Storage: Samsung 970EVo NVMe M.2 500GB (OS) + Samsung 970EVo NVMe M.2 1TB (Games)
PSU: Corsair AX1200i 1200 Watt
OS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit

Intel i7-8700k Coffee Lake@stock
G.Skill TridentZ RGB 32GB (2x16) 3200MHz
ASUS ROG STRIX GTX 1080 Ti
Maximus X FORMULA Z370 BIOS 1401
NZXT Kraken x62 AIO
SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 500GB (OS)
SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB (Games)
Corsair AX1200i 1200 Watt
Cooler Master HAF X
HOTAS Warthog | TrackIR 5 | Saitek Pro Combat Pedals
Heatware

NemesisChild
Level 12
2x16GB versus all four dimms populated will put less stress on the CPU IMC thus allowing higher OC'ing potential.

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Intel i9 10850K@ 5.3GHz
ASUS ROG Strix Z490-E
Corsair H115i Pro XT
G.Skill TridentZ@ 3600MHz CL14 2x16GB
EVGA RTX 3090 Ti FWT3 Ultra
OS: WD Black SN850 1TB NVMe M.2
Storage: WD Blue SN550 2TB NVMe M.2
EVGA SuperNova 1200 P2
ASUS ROG Strix Helios GX601

NemesisChild wrote:
2x16GB versus all four dimms populated will put less stress on the CPU IMC thus allowing higher OC'ing potential.

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Im definitely enjoying the breathing room with Intel and RAM selection. My first choice was going to be a RYZEN 2700X build and picking RAM sucked terribly.

Intel i7-8700k Coffee Lake@stock
G.Skill TridentZ RGB 32GB (2x16) 3200MHz
ASUS ROG STRIX GTX 1080 Ti
Maximus X FORMULA Z370 BIOS 1401
NZXT Kraken x62 AIO
SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 500GB (OS)
SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB (Games)
Corsair AX1200i 1200 Watt
Cooler Master HAF X
HOTAS Warthog | TrackIR 5 | Saitek Pro Combat Pedals
Heatware

ExGreyFox wrote:
Im definitely enjoying the breathing room with Intel and RAM selection. My first choice was going to be a RYZEN 2700X build and picking RAM sucked terribly.


I left AMD for good after the Bulldozer flop and have never looked back.

Enjoy your new build!
Intel i9 10850K@ 5.3GHz
ASUS ROG Strix Z490-E
Corsair H115i Pro XT
G.Skill TridentZ@ 3600MHz CL14 2x16GB
EVGA RTX 3090 Ti FWT3 Ultra
OS: WD Black SN850 1TB NVMe M.2
Storage: WD Blue SN550 2TB NVMe M.2
EVGA SuperNova 1200 P2
ASUS ROG Strix Helios GX601

Snakeyes
Level 11
At the risk of providing "too much information" here are a couple of thoughts regarding memory choices in current Intel setups. Too many homebuilders spend excessive amount of money and overclocking time on expensive memory.


1) Unless one is doing very memory intensive tasks ranging from data encryption to video editing, memory speed has no noticeable effect on performance. Particularly so in gaming.


2) Generally higher the advertised memory speed the lower the memory CAS. Unfortunately it's the combination of speed and CAS that truly determines true latency (a primary measure of memory efficiency) of memory. The formula is Memory Speed/2000 multiplied by CAS. It is not at all unusual to see cheaper lower speed memory with better true latency.


Bottom line ignore the advertising hype and pick the memory based on true latency and price (and RGB Compatibility). No need to maximize memory speed, costs and overclocking strain. Keep in mind the better brands like Corsair and G skill have better and more reliable silicone. Just make sure you run memtest.
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Intel Core i7 8700K @5.1 Stable Delidded
Asus Maximus X Code

16 GB
G skill TridentZ DDR4 ​4266 (PC4 34100)
Corsair HX1000i digital
EVGA 1070 GTX TiSuperclocked+
Samsung NVMe SSD 960 pro M. 2
Samsung 860 Pro
Watercooled with EK block radiator fans etc.

JustinThyme
Level 13
^^^^^
Other than a different formula I kind of agree. High clock rates are not always the best choice. Ive often clocked much lower than the rated speed to get better latency timings.
CL/MHz x 1000 = time to commit charge milliseconds. My clocks for example. Im running EIGHT sticks of 8GB Corsair Dominator 3800Mhz C 19 that doesnt seem to slow down my 7900X 5GHz OC. Its running the full 3800 but I chose to lower the CL instead of raising the speed so CL16. Comparison of the two settings.

19/3800 x 1000= 5mS
16/3800 x 1000= 4.2mS

Bottom line,
In my experience go set a fixed budget for your memory and get the best you can. Never go for the highest possible speed available as its always hyped and rarely delivers.
How many sticks to use is and has been a topicc of debate for many years. Ive never had the nunmber of sticks hold back an OC but I have had 2 sticks that just would not perform outside of a very narrow window. Ive always had good luck with top of the line Corsair and Gskill. Always settle on what you are getting as for speed and size and buy a kit now. Dont buy half now and half later as the single biggest mistake with Dram is mixing sticks even if its an identical part number.



“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, I'm not sure about the former” ~ Albert Einstein

ExGreyFox
Level 7
Hello guys and girls,

I am happy to report that so far everything has gone smoothly. I built the system externally on the bench first outside the case and installed windows 10. Initially the UEFI BIOS did not pick up my DDR4 RAM timings and speed but after loading XMP profile, it sits nicely at 3200MHz 15-15-15-35.

One thing I was unsure of is how much to tighten the Kraken x62 water pump onto the 8700k. I put it on firmly but did not get too crazy with it. So far my temps outside the case do not break 50c. (I am assuming that once it goes in the case that I should probably see higher temps)

Next I ran a few benchmarks like Firestrike, and Cinebench R15 (I don't have the screenshots to share the results at the moment as I am away from home but will as soon as I return). I was very happy with the results but I would barely see my CPU speeds on the 8700k hit anywhere near the 4.7GHz turbo mark. Most I would see is about 4.1GHz and no more. I decided to take the plunge and update the BIOS on my Maximus X Formula. I noticed that the BIOS version on the mobo was the oldest version ever released for this model and that there were several releases past that one all with "Improved performance and stability" in their release notes.

I went into UEFI and simply went to "Update BIOS via Internet" I just said what the hell, lets see what happens. It all went smoothly. I re-ran my benchmarks again after the BIOS update and noticed a significant improvement from the previous run with the oldest BIOS loaded. I also noticed my CPU speed hit 4.7 GHz for multiple durations of time. I am very happy with this 🙂

Now as far as my AIO Kraken x62 is concerned, I did hear some very slight and benign gurgling of the cooling fluid but it seems to have settled and completely disappeared after about a day or so. The temps on my 8700k at stock speeds hit about 35-40c while playing DCS but this is also keeping in my that the mobo is still sitting in open air outside the case so I assume temps will be higher one I get it all buttoned up. I can not even hear the water pump which is a bit concerning but after I looked at the CPU temp/Pump RPM curve, I was not hitting CPU temps anywhere near what would cause the pump to go into full blast.

I do plan on overclocking the 8700k to hit 5 GHz in a few months but for now I think Im just going to exercise it at stock.

I will share my Samsung Magic M.S SSD scores as well Firestrike and Cinebench and would love to get your thoughts on how my system stacks up at stock speeds. In the mean time I ill leave you with some photos 🙂

As always, I appreciate all of the time and energy from you guys in helping me put this machine together 🙂












Intel i7-8700k Coffee Lake@stock
G.Skill TridentZ RGB 32GB (2x16) 3200MHz
ASUS ROG STRIX GTX 1080 Ti
Maximus X FORMULA Z370 BIOS 1401
NZXT Kraken x62 AIO
SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 500GB (OS)
SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB (Games)
Corsair AX1200i 1200 Watt
Cooler Master HAF X
HOTAS Warthog | TrackIR 5 | Saitek Pro Combat Pedals
Heatware