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Ryo_z wrote:
when asus gonna fix the reboot issue in C6H ABB official bios?

this is a critical bug, a flagship board that can't boot and reboot the pc properly.

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?112279-X370-X470-AGESA-1003AB-Bioses/page69#post782029


I agree please get this fixed soon.

Ryo_z wrote:
when asus gonna fix the reboot issue in C6H ABB official bios?

this is a critical bug, a flagship board that can't boot and reboot the pc properly.

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?112279-X370-X470-AGESA-1003AB-Bioses/page69#post782029


The same on C7H.

gupsterg
Level 14
UEFI 2703 & 0002 with SMU FW 46.34.00 for C7H & C7HWIFI in this post.
Intel Defector :eek: AMD Rebel

@Shamino: a simple question, because I'm very curious: is there any form of version control being used for Asus BIOS development?

TeutonJon78
Level 7
I see on some of the flashing instructions that it says to use the flaskback method rather than the normal flashing method. What is the reason/requirement for this? Why doesn't a normal flashing work correctly?

I have a B450-i, and some of the releases talk about it, but that board doesn't have the flashback buttons (but it does have the barely documented BIOS recovery options which is the same). But the only time a utility has been released for that board was part of the 2406 release.
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xeizo
Level 12
Flashback is better at fully erasing the previous bios than EZ Flash, as close to brand new as is possible.
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xeizo wrote:
Flashback is better at fully erasing the previous bios than EZ Flash, as close to brand new as is possible.


+1, only method I use. It's onboard HW SPI flash tool.
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xeizo wrote:
Flashback is better at fully erasing the previous bios than EZ Flash, as close to brand new as is possible.

... does this type of thing seriously never make you stop and think "WTF are Asus playing at?"? Do you never question why you have to jump through these hoops for no good reason?

There should be ZERO difference between the state of the BIOS in either case! How hard can it be to make sure everything is properly reset?

I would actually pay to get a look at the source code for a typical Asus BIOS. 100% convinced it would provide months of content for r/programminghorror/.

adr82 wrote:
... does this type of thing seriously never make you stop and think "WTF are Asus playing at?"? Do you never question why you have to jump through these hoops for no good reason?

There should be ZERO difference between the state of the BIOS in either case! How hard can it be to make sure everything is properly reset?

I would actually pay to get a look at the source code for a typical Asus BIOS. 100% convinced it would provide months of content for r/programminghorror/.


That's kind of why I asked. The uncompressed flash sizes are the full chip size. So it should literally be writing every bit anyway, so I don't see how one method would be different than the others. Maybe the flashback method clears out some UEFI variable or something, but loading the optimized defaults should essentially do the same thing.

And it's not like they advertise that on all the various motherboard models either. And in fact all it says on the listings is you need to rename the file if you are using flashback, not that you need to use flashback. It's probably the same as people who thought you need to factory reset a phone 3 times when you install a 3rd party ROM for some reason -- like it would actually clear anything different.
2700X - Rog Strix B450-i - g.skill 3200 CL14

TeutonJon78 wrote:
That's kind of why I asked. The uncompressed flash sizes are the full chip size. So it should literally be writing every bit anyway, so I don't see how one method would be different than the others. Maybe the flashback method clears out some UEFI variable or something, but loading the optimized defaults should essentially do the same thing.

Exactly. If it's doing a bit-for-bit flash of the chip, then presumably there must be something else happening to preserve some of the settings. Maybe it only flashes part of the chip? Maybe it saves some settings somewhere else and restores some of them afterwards? Given the level of competence Asus have been displaying, nothing would surprise me. Could be happening by design, could be entirely accidental!

TeutonJon78 wrote:
And it's not like they advertise that on all the various motherboard models either. And in fact all it says on the listings is you need to rename the file if you are using flashback, not that you need to use flashback. It's probably the same as people who thought you need to factory reset a phone 3 times when you install a 3rd party ROM for some reason -- like it would actually clear anything different.

Yeah I do feel sorry for all the less techy people who just expect their expensive motherboard to actually work in a sensible and predictable fashion, who for some reason don't immediately think of going to the Asus forums to see if there's some obscure nonsensical workaround known only to enthusiasts. It really is a bit of a piss-take - if the other flashing methods don't work as intended and they can't be arsed to fix them, the least they could do is disable them and say explicitly "always use flashback". But of course Asus just want to sell you hardware and couldn't care less what happens after you've bought it...