I Have Questions-Complainings about ASUS C6H + RyZen PC Built. Thanks in advance.

[sadaharu]

PeZzy wrote:
The Google doc has only a handful of people with BIOS 1401. At this point, I think most people know what they are doing.

Due to the recent Intel release, don't expect manufacturers to spend much time on Ryzen.

TOO LONG - SKIP THE (---------------) PART IF YOU DONT HAVE TIME.

I think that list and rymem.wraith are both outdated. But those lists give some good infos i mean like preview.

Well, a good-not crashing agesa 1.0.0.6 update is enough for now(if they ever gonna release). They said they would add 20 ram kits on the new QVL list. Middle june - end june (its 24th now)

In a few month later, i think with a new - better bios and also with the help of ram manu's and AMD's support , we will be able reach higher speeds , more stable systems, those Aura light things.

I need to make things clear. I only wonder when will be able to getting these updates before opening this thread.

I thought i can get an exact date for the updates. But i think that's the ASUS's way to handle things. I respect that.

But at least as a request (a nice one) can you write more explanations on the updates.

"Improves system ...bility." I think that is not a clear info. But you know the best. It s just a suggestion.

Also for other people i should make a suggestion.

Be a member of RyZen WatchDog. They send e-mails right after any kind of updates released.

That was helpful for beginners like me.

Another thing is as far as i learnt from reading other posts.

32gb 3200 mhz is still a problem to reach for people who dont know much about oc.

From rymem, some people reach 3200+ with some skillful overclocking wih Corsair Dominator 4x8 and G Skillb die chips.

But those ram kits are waaay expensive than the others. For me money is not a problem if i know that i can get those speeds but still expensive.

In my country our money is 3.5 times less valuable than dollar. And also we pay %18 perfent of taxes.

Unlike Japan or other countries, Turkey's economy is not very good. (1 dollar = 111 japan yen) (1 dollar = 3.5 turkish lira)

For example (the easiest way to explain maybe too easy) ;

If an american gets 1000 dollar from his job and paid for ram 200 dollar.

In here, we get 1500 Turkish liras for the same job but paid 200x3.5 + 200x3.5x%18 + seller's margin for the same ram. It is about 1000 Turkish liras.

So an american pays %20 perfent of his money and we need to pay %66 perfent of out money to get the same thing.

That's why i am very anxious.

You can say " then dont pay for those things - do something else. ". I can't. I like tech stuff, reading, buying things.

But thats is my biggest hoby and i get one shot before whatever i need to buy.

I think that is understandable before anyone tries to insult of attack me.

I am not an enemy of ASUS. My monitor is ASUS. My motherboard is ASUS. I love ASUS products. My new motherboards is ASUS. İ have plans to buy mice and keyboards and monitor from ASUS.

I am not enemy of AMD. Not an Intel fan. I love AMD because they are back and hit hard. Rivalry is GOOD for customers. And my gpu is AMD. So ?

Why some people feels like they need to defend some brands even trying to hurt people ?

Come on man ! How i become a narcissist just for asking questions ?

Whatever.

Thanks for anyone replies to this topic.

I get some good infos (still dont know its plural or singular).

I get some good insults also. But meeh.

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Last thing is ;

I am gonna wait another week without tech stıff, swimming , travelling etc.

I am gonna wait to buy G Skill Flare X 32GB 3200 kits. If not works properly i am gona get G Skill Trident Z cl14 32gig 3200 mhz ones ( they look good btw)

I hope this agesa 1.0.0.6 update make things a lot easier , we get we want to accomplish.

I know you guys are working hard. I respect that. Customers like me will always complains about something.

I hope you dont get offended by anything i said and i hope you listen what we are saying without getting angry.

Again we have a huge respect for you guys.

Sorry for the long posts.

Have a nice day.

Edit : I have changed the original post with the last post. This is the last thing i ve written.

[Raja]

Johan45 wrote:
You must have good ears.

But that's not the full profile. By enabling the XMP there are timings you have "0" control over which are being set for the ram but will not work with the CPU/chipset. That's how I set the Hynix in that last pic I posted. Set primary timings and lest the board do the rest after it was successful I tweaked from there. Enabling the DOCP would work sort of but wasn't stable at all in testing there was something not playing well in the mix.

Well said.

On a side note, GSkill only validated the 4266 kits for a single board; the Apex. It's a two-slot board that's rather adept at memory overclocking. So, not only does one have to pay attention to which platform a kit is binned for, but also the motherboard. Seasoned DIYers usually know where to look, and the best of them also understand that memory is a complex animal (memory signaling isn't an easy topic to grasp). The GSkill validated list was available on their website before Ryzen launch. Stilt/AMD also posted up a table showing expectations... Unfortunately some people didn't wait, or made assumptions on the capabilities of Ryzen's IMC, pulling the trigger on kits that were rated a lot faster than the platform can handle. You live and learn (hopefully).

[Silent_Scone]

One could post a billion analogies to reflect how this is simply buying the wrong tools for the wrong job without asking the manufacturer, but the above post with that screenshot is the show stopper. Buying memory for a platform with a brand new architecture with no information to base your expectations on is a recipe for disaster. Especially if you don't have at least a basic grasp on memory overclocking as outlined above.

The lack of validated kits at the time of launch isn't an excuse for one to buy the highest validated kits they can find, and then moan when they do not work. 3200 MT/s is mentioned multiple times not only in the media, but by motherboard manufacturers. The biggest mistake however, is coming in guns blazing throwing accusations regarding products not working, without really asking the right questions.

[sadaharu]

I have no idea you guys are talking about for last 2 pages long.

Can we back to my questions ?

Thank you.

I wont buy 4266 or 10000 ghz ram. I just want to use 32gb 3200. Maybe 3466 in time.

If you gonna post something unrelated or argue on anything else. You need to open another thread.

[Raja]

sadaharu wrote:
I have no idea you guys are talking about for last 2 pages long.

Can we back to my questions ?

Thank you.

I wont buy 4266 or 10000 ghz ram. I just want to use 32gb 3200. Maybe 3466 in time.

If you gonna post something unrelated or argue on anything else. You need to open another thread.

Praz recommended two kits that should be ideal for you and the platform. Anything higher can require work from you, and in some cases can be difficult to get stable. Best to avoid the situation, rather than take the risk.

[sadaharu]

Raja@ASUS wrote:
Praz recommended two kits that should be ideal for you and the platform. Anything higher can require work from you, and in some cases can be difficult to get stable. Best to avoid the situation, rather than take the risk.

As you said i am avoding situation by not buying RAM. Also waiting agesa 1.0.0.6 .

Praz's suggestions are 2400. We know that ryzen based pc's performance rates are related with ram speed.(in game especially)

2017 and still we get problem with 3200 mhz ram. It should be a default setting. But that is an another discussion.

And come on ! Why the hell did i buy the most premium motherboard if i cannot set my ram speed higher than other boards. (that s not the whole point but i think i made my point clearly. i know that is not that simple)

I would go for Prime mob for 2400 - 2133 mhz ram speed if i wanted before. Cheaper, gets more assistance etc.

This is ROG !

This is CROSSHAİR Vİ HERO ?

Best motherboard of all 370?

Are those words mean anything for you ?

AMD blames motherboards manufacturers.

Ram manu's blames AMD.

Motherboards blames all of them.

And we customers just sitting waiting for any updates daily (like me) to buy something.

Really getting tired of this.

I am a simple customer who wants to build a new PC with a nice good looking compatible RAM. That's it.

[Silent_Scone]

sadaharu wrote:
As you said i am avoding situation by not buying RAM. Also waiting agesa 1.0.0.6 .

Praz's suggestions are 2400. We know that ryzen based pc's performance rates are related with ram speed.(in game especially)

2017 and still we get problem with 3200 mhz ram. It should be a default setting. But that is an another discussion.

And come on ! Why the hell did i buy the most premium motherboard if i cannot set my ram speed higher than other boards. (that s not the whole point but i think i made my point clearly. i know that is not that simple)
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Unfortunately, I don't think you've really understood everything that's been put forward to you, without trying to sound condescending. If you had, then you would not need to ask the questions above. If you know it's not that simple, then you can tune the system without jumping on the attack at AMD, ASUS or other vendors.

What memory speed in what year doesn't really have any relevance. What matters is 1) What the platform is capable of obtaining at an operational level 2) What kits the user is purchasing to ensure the best possible chance of compatibility.

The bottom line is you overlooked both of those things, but are now hopefully on the right track 🙂

[Johan45]

This kit will work at 3200 on the chvi. It's 4x8GB stick samsung "B" based but it's pricey. this is in CDN https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232207

I have been able to make 2 different sets of samsung "B" based work on this board at 3200 pretty much from launch.
Also the new BIOS based on AGESA 1.0.0.6 is available here version 1401

[Praz]

Johan45 wrote:
This kit will work at 3200 on the chvi. It's 4x8GB stick samsung "B" based but it's pricey. this is in CDN https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232207

I have been able to make 2 different sets of samsung "B" based work on this board at 3200 pretty much from launch.
Also the new BIOS based on AGESA 1.0.0.6 is available here version 1401

Hello

The OP is wanting 32GB at 3200MHz plug n' play. There is no memory kit guaranteed to meet those demands.

[Johan45]

Praz wrote:
Hello

The OP is wanting 32GB at 3200MHz plug n' play. There is no memory kit guaranteed to meet those demands.

OK thanks Praz, I missed that part.
I am pretty certain that with some coaching ( if needed) it would work though.

[danjw]

There is an anecdotal list here of what other users have managed with their systems: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YSZB70P71Kd4iAyxSpAZf0lc2GmyALKJOQ7vA1MhV2s/pub?output=html&... . Elmor, set it up; people are contributing their results. There are a number of 32GB kits, some of which have been gotten to 3200 MHz. Caveat is that not everyone will be able to do what these people have managed.

Something that anyone looking at overclocking a system, has to realize, is that it is a silicon lottery. Some get really good pieces of silicon, others don't.