G Skill TridentZ RGB F4-3600C16-8GTZR+Selected file is not the proper bios

[g_tse]

Hello!!

Just received my 32GB kit of Gskill Trident RGB 3600 ram and want to try it on my Crosshair Hero mobo.
Checked the ram on both Aida 64 and Typhoon and they seem to be a Samsung kit (don't know if they are bdie though).

I am currently using 1401 with some other hynix 3200 gksill sticks (2X8GB) perfectly fine with their XMP @3200.
I got a few questions and I would really appreciate some help here as I am not very knowledgeable with AMD boards.

I read that this kit works best with bios 9945 and a 2933 or 3200 strap, is that correct?
Has someone got this kit working at 3600?
Will it work at 3600 with all 4 sticks installed (4 X G Skill TridentZ RGB F4-3600C16-8GTZR) or can I only use 2 sticks in A2 & B2?
Also, I can't seem to downgrade my bios to 9945, I get a Selected file is not the proper bios in EZ Flash in the bios...is there a workaround for that?

I am not so interested in OC'ing my CPU so much. After a lot of testing, I have determined that 3.8 with 1.35 is my optimal 24/7 setup for my 1800X.
I just want to know if things have progressed at all with the latest bios's released as I haven't using my AMD rig so much as of late.
If I can't get it to work relatively easily, I will install them in my Z270E ROG STRIX 7700K rig.

Thanks a bunch!

[andyliu]

to downgrade BIOS, you will need to use the USB flash back feature to do it. remember to save a copy of the setting as it will wipe clean all the adjustment you make.
you can refer to the manual, chap 2-2, page 2-13

and I think the ram you using is B-Die, according to this post https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/
my suggestion is to try with 2 sticks at a time to see how much you can O.C the ram and work from there.

[g_tse]

andyliu wrote:
to downgrade BIOS, you will need to use the USB flash back feature to do it. remember to save a copy of the setting as it will wipe clean all the adjustment you make.
you can refer to the manual, chap 2-2, page 2-13

and I think the ram you using is B-Die, according to this post https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/
my suggestion is to try with 2 sticks at a time to see how much you can O.C the ram and work from there.

Thanks andy, will try when I get back!
Is 9945 the bios that works best for this kit?
Also, I am am bit confused how to “train” the memory. Any advice on the whole procedure/steps?


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[andyliu]

I just go with latest bios, which has been work well for me. I dont know what works well for your kit though.

I personally have flare-x ram, so it was rather easy for me to get to the rated speed.
but gupsterg has great thread here
http://www.overclock.net/t/1625015/ryzen-essential-info-with-link-to-owners-info-db

[nicduch]

i have the same memory, where i can find download for the 9945 bios?

[nicduch]

ok just found. it's ok for 9945 my 4x 8GB run fine at 3200mhz at the first time all bios after 9945 is very poor for 4x Trident Z RGB stick memory !!!!

[syldon]

Revision 1501 is better than 945 IMHO.

945 is a very old revision. Check the date on the post that gave you that advice.

I would update to 1501.
Try these settings. I adapted them from your Aida64 with settings that could work at 3466. If they don't work at 3466 try 3333.

Primary timings 3466
CAS# LATENCY 14
RAS# TO CAS# READ DELAY 14
RAS# TO CAS# WRITE DELAY 14
RAS# PRE TIME 14
RAS# ACT TIME 34

TRC 48
TRRDS 4
TRRDL 6
TFAW 16 (if still unstable change to 32)
TWTRS Auto
TWTRL Auto
TWR Auto

TRCPAGE Auto
TRDRDS CL 2
TWRWRS CL 2

TRFC 357
TRFC2 265
TRFC4 163

TCWL 14
TRTP Auto
TRDWR Auto
TWRRD Auto
TWRWR SC Auto
TWRWR SD Auto
TWRWR DD Auto
TRDRD SC Auto
TRDRD SD Auto
TRTDRD DD Auto
TCKE Auto

ProcODT needs to be set up incrementally until you find a setting that works with your memory+speed. Start at 96 ohm and work backwards to 40 Ohm. Reboot between each setting.
CMD2T 1
GEAR DOWN Auto
POWER DOWN Auto

Rtt_Nom Disable
Rtt Wr Dynamic ODT Off
Rtt park Auto

Also what voltage settings are you using, and what does it display as the output ?

[g_tse]

nicduch wrote:
ok just found. it's ok for 9945 my 4x 8GB run fine at 3200mhz at the first time all bios after 9945 is very poor for 4x Trident Z RGB stick memory !!!!

Thanks nicduch, what settings are you using?

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Thanks for all this syldon!! WOW 🙂

TBH, I got pretty much fed up and put my Hynix 3200 Gskill chips back because nothing would work. Now back to 1501 bios running my 1800X @ 3.8 - 1,35V - no problems whatsoever.

Used 9945 with the flashback bios and 2 sticks (thanks again Andy!) with no luck. I even tried everything this guy says in this clip...and he has the exact same ram I do - I compared our typhoon details...

QUOTE=syldon;671853]Also what voltage settings are you using, and what does it display as the output ?

I am running the stock mem voltage, 1.35V

I might try your settings tonight, just outta curiosity. Disappointed cause I paid a ****load for this kit and it runs flawlessly on my 7700K Z270 rig with XMP...although I don't know if the difference in performance from my 3200 kit is worth the hassle. I'm doing it mostly cause I am an RGB whore hahahahaha

[syldon]

XMP works very well on intel because they have had a long time getting it right. But even then it is compatible settings, and not always the best option. The XMP are very loose settings. If those settings work, they are a lot tighter than any XMP set up, but not so tight that they should create issues.

Any manual settings should be confirmed at some point with a stability testing programme. My preference is memtest86. OC forums suggest HCI memtest, but you need to buy it to run it outside of the windows OS. Memtest86 will run with a boot drive for free. I haven't used HCI memtest much, it may well be better, because of XYZ.

I dare say someone will post here with pros and cons, who will be a lot more savvy than I am on it.

My voltage query was pointed at all voltages Dram, CPU and any other changes. If you leave voltages on default it will over volt unnecessarily (just checked mine goes from 1.37v-1.46v) .

Voltages are displayed in extreme tweaker tab in advanced mode. F7 key will switch between advanced mode and simple mode.

Dram on auto (works for me, some people over volt up to 1.5v)
CPU should be under 1.42v - I use offset mode with +0.03125v
SOC should be under 1.15v - I use offset mode with +0.0500v
And then under Digi power control add loadline level 1 for both CPU and SOC.

My dram stays around 1.35v, CPU 1.373v-1.393v and SOC hovers around 1.0. This works for me, I gave you the recommended maximums so you have a guide.

EDIT: Checked my voltages on default and deleted some text that I wasn't sure on.

[g_tse]

Syaoran wrote:
For 4 sticks of 8GB or 2 or more sticks of 16GB, the 9945 BIOS was easily the best way to hit at least 3200MHz for your RAM and iwth a little work, 3466MHz and even 3600MHz. I run 4 sticks of F4-3600C15.

Thanks for the help man, I would love to run all 4 sticks in the kit but I can't even get the 2 so...

Syaoran wrote:
If you don't care if your RAM runs at 3600MHz, then go with the 1501 BIOS and try Stit's 3200 preset for tight timings. This will set basically everything you need to get your RAM running at 3200MHz rock solid in most cases. If it doesn't seem stable, then try Stit's stable setting. The only difference is slightly relaxed timings.

Where can I find those? Google didn't return any relevant results..

Syaoran wrote:
RAM and CPU Power Phase should be set to Extreme.
LLC for the RAM I would suggest at 4 and the CPU at 2 or 3.
Disable the... I can't remember the name of it off hand but it basically allows the VCore to fluctuate. You don't want it jumping around.

For what cpu/ram settings?

syldon wrote:

Dram on auto (works for me, some people over volt up to 1.5v)
CPU should be under 1.42v - I use offset mode with +0.03125v
SOC should be under 1.15v - I use offset mode with +0.0500v
And then under Digi power control add loadline level 1 for both CPU and SOC.

Did all that using the timings from your with absolutely no luck.
I kept everything you wrote and using the manual setting tried all 3 mem straps (3466,3333,3200) with all the ProcODT voltages from 96 ohm to 40 Ohm.
Would it help if I posted a short video of the start sequence on the Q-Code Led?

Quite a disappointment really as I don't have a lot of time to run all these tests between work, activities and raising a teenager...
I was hoping that the b-die sticks I bought would do the job and I switched from buying FlareX at the last moment for all that RBG goodness hahaha
I know Intel had the time to perfect the xmp settings but I expected something better by this time from AMD and Asus. I know Radja and the community put in a lot of work here but as I have written before, I don't have the time to be their beta tester. 20 years ago, maybe 🙂
I have removed the ram now, reinstalled my Gksill Hynix sticks and will have to settle for the 3200 setting I am using (info in the screenshots) for now, can't see any other way around it. I will keep my eyes open for future bios's.

Oh and I sidenote. I use to run my 1800X perfectly stable at 3.8 using 1.35V. I wan't to keep the voltage as low as possible cause it's really hot in Greece in the summer. Now I am using your offset and as you can see from the cpuz screenshot, it is running @ 1.373. I know that the difference is minuscule, just saying.

Thanks again for everything buddy!