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Flare X 3200MHZ 16GB 2x8: F4-3200C14D-16GFX // Performance & Guide

aeonconcepts
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Ryzen Memory and the hate from non-certified B-Die variants is easy to find. Information pertaining to Flare X memory is lost to the vast amount of issues that consumers are having with older modules and or Hynix chips. There is actually a good write up of these chips on an i7 chip, WTF! This is meant as a repository for Flare X 3200Mhz memory only, and without raising the CPU FSB (BCLK) I will update this with information on the 8x4 kits once they are available. GSkill will have the 3466 kits available soon, but with the current performance of the 3200Mhz... It might be a waste of time and money (If you just want to achieve the 3600Mhz mark) ... but GSkill can send me a kit if they want!

This thread will only focus on the intended 100Mhz FSB. This is the most important factor: 3200-3600Mhz are all using the rated timings of: 14-14-14-34-48 and 1T. Also keep in mind that this system is running on an Ekwb extreme loop, Supremacy Evo block and several reservoirs: so your results may vary if heat is an issue for you. I also do not inflate numbers for any reason. The Aida numbers listed here are under a normal workload, normal environment, and with normal programs running in the background; even the complete Adobe CS 2017 suite of BS that runs in the background. Obviously the numbers could be improved, but you wouldn't want to do an excessive BCLK overclock while sacrificing stability and being forced to increase latency. (Agesa 1.0.0.6) Bios Release candidates (Non-Beta) should slightly improve these numbers in the next few weeks.

Testing is done with:

Ryzen 1800X @ 40.75 Multiplier (4075Mhz The best overclock with overall stability in mind)
CPU FSB @ 100Mhz
Flare X 16GB 2x8 3200Mhz:
Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/G-SKILL-Flare-288-Pin-Memory-F4-3200C14D-16GFX/dp/B06XWKNMQQ
Newegg: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530

Before we get into 3200Mhz and beyond; the numbers for 2400Mhz:



Basic rundown:
2400Mhz: 36263 MB/s @ 90.8 ns (Latency)
3200Mhz: 48705 MB/s @ 73.3 ns (Latency)
3466Mhz: 51551 MB/s @ 69.2 ns (Latency)
3600Mhz: 38422 MB/s @ 67.3 ns (Latency) // Obviously issues to be resolved & excessive heat. Only improvement is in Write speeds.

-3733Mhz fails to boot with the rated timings and settings described below.

@3600Mhz // You may also get a BSOD: System_Service_Exception due to: for WIN/AMD driver problems and/or excessive heat. I can only suggest to run 3466 for the stability, and be happy you are at the 3200 and beyond spectrum.

Choose your speed and using the following voltages: 1.35V (3200Mhz) 1.38V (3466Mhz) 1.40V (3600Mhz) The following screenshots are for use with a 3466Mhz setting. Also note: Bios voltages show 1.395 as the shots were grabbed when going from 3600Mhz to a 3466 w/o a reboot // you get the point, etc:

Step 1: Extreme Tweaker (Mild Overclock and Ram Voltage)




Step 2: DRAM Timing (force the rated timings and select 1T-CR)




Step 3: Digi+ Power Control (vBoot located at the bottom)




Step 4: ProcODT & Fail_CNT (This is the most important aspect aside from forcing 1T-CR and the low rated timings)




Step 5: Ensure that the 2nd set of Power Down options are disabled // (optional)



Notes: Cold boot will do a single reset but that is why we force a (4) Fail_CNT which is plenty for a good power on.

Now the current Bios: 1401 for this memory has made more improvements:

3200Mhz @ 1.35 Voltage & 1.35 vBoot:



3466Mhz @ 1.38 Voltage & 1.38 vBoot:



3600Mhz @ 1.40 Voltage & 1.40 vBoot:



It seems that the 3466Mhz settings may offer the best overall performance.

Memtest x64 was run for 90 minutes on all 3 tests with 0 errors. One thing to note: Bios 9943 & 9945 introduced a new bug (at least for me) Win10 will now only show 1200mhz (rated 2400Mhz) in task manager for anything above 3200Mhz settings. CPU-Z will be blank with only timing display for anything above 3205Mhz (1599.7 and lower will display) and Memtest will also only show 1200mhz. Aida 64, RTC and Bios displays proper frequency every time. Hopefully this will be fully resolved soon. You will NOT want to use Bios: 9945 with this memory kit.

Update: Windows 10 updates have fixed Memory speed in Task manager June 13, 2017

Update: CPUZ fixed in latest version, ROG skin update as well.

MemTest64 (tested at a minimum 0f 90 minutes on all speeds) regardless of speed shows 0 errors:




And for a Overclock increase with the 3466 strap going from a 40.75 to a 41 Multiplier:



As a comparison with a +3 (103 // CPU FSB) 4120MHZ CPU & 3300MHZ Memory:




Initial Reviews:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/ram/105241-gskill-flare-x-16gb-ddr4-3200-f4-3200c14d-16gfx/?page=4
http://www.legitreviews.com/g-skill-flare-x-series-16gb-ddr4-3200mhz-amd-memory-kit-review_194153
https://proclockers.com/reviews/memory/gskill-flare-x-3200mhz-ddr4-2x8gb-16gb-memory-review

Summary: Initial performance was lacking, but with a beta 1.0.0.6 code it is performing beyond my initial expectations. Now if we can overclock the Ryzen like these modules...
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Just wanted to give a quick update before updating the original post with current bios updates. After a lot of testing most options are still correct for 9920 and 1501 versions. However: After spending some time with 4 sticks (32GB) I cannot recommend upgrading from 16-32GB as a performance measure. I have seen no improvement and no ability to to utilize a 3200+ stability margin. You can do 3200 speeds with all 4 sticks and remain stable, however anything above 3200 is no longer a good option. 3466Mhz with a 16GB kit is the sweet spot for performance/stability. Please keep this in mind if you are already running 16GB and want to double that (thinking it will be better) performance will drop slightly with the additional memory being the only advantage.

If you need the memory for a specific application than so be it, but performance will not be better. I'll get the original post updated within the next few days. Also all users regardless of memory used should be well aware of this information: http://www.legitreviews.com/thermal-image-testing-on-amd-x370-motherboards-by-asus-gigabyte-and-msi_...

I have confirmed this with IR as well and the memory vrm and chipset are the limiting factors with stability-heat. (keeping in mind that you have a more than adequate cooling solution on your cpu)

I set DOCP standart.

Works like a beast.

Very good ram kit.

Pass 20 min stress test (aida 64.)

Hit 48000+ score.

Only question is what is the bank cycle trc time. Its 73.

Is it too high ? Should i turn it into 55 or smt like that.

Check what Samsung b-die at 3466MHz is capable of with optimized subtimings, so you could also try to further improve performance... Ryzen system responds very well to memory performance improvement, much more then Intel...

Hours of HCI memtest, Prime95, MemTest64... Fully stable.

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Sigtran wrote:
Check what Samsung b-die at 3466MHz is capable of with optimized subtimings, so you could also try to further improve performance... Ryzen system responds very well to memory performance improvement, much more then Intel...

Hours of HCI memtest, Prime95, MemTest64... Fully stable.
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Thanks, it gained me 6 points in cinebench. Finally cracked 1800.

Edit: Actually gained 9 points in subsequent runs. Top score of 1806.

Sigtran wrote:
Check what Samsung b-die at 3466MHz is capable of with optimized subtimings, so you could also try to further improve performance... Ryzen system responds very well to memory performance improvement, much more then Intel...

Hours of HCI memtest, Prime95, MemTest64... Fully stable.

68632 68633


At which ddram voltage are you running?

I run it at 1.40V dram voltage. Tried lowering it, and at 1.35V fails quickly, in few minutes at most, at 1.38V it is almost stable, boots, runs apps, but randomly fails within few hours. At 1.40V works 24/7 without a single issue - nightly running boinc apps, so 100% loaded for hours and hours...

Sigtran wrote:
I run it at 1.40V dram voltage. Tried lowering it, and at 1.35V fails quickly, in few minutes at most, at 1.38V it is almost stable, boots, runs apps, but randomly fails within few hours. At 1.40V works 24/7 without a single issue - nightly running boinc apps, so 100% loaded for hours and hours...


Sorry for late answer, i can get the same exact timings you have but i feel like mine aren't stable at 1.40v, getting some random crashes in game ocasionally and im sure it's the ram, can you share your other settings? like soc voltage?

xAder wrote:
Sorry for late answer, i can get the same exact timings you have but i feel like mine aren't stable at 1.40v, getting some random crashes in game ocasionally and im sure it's the ram, can you share your other settings? like soc voltage?


I have been running those settings stable at 1.42v, which is probably a bit excessive..

Although I do have active memory cooling.

Mine Runs lovely

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Forgot Bench mark - untuned - undervolted
Stock timings and volage - everything in digi + left at default auto - runs very cold
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unknownmiscreant wrote:
I have been running those settings stable at 1.42v, which is probably a bit excessive..

Although I do have active memory cooling.


It's not excessive at all, at 1.41500v my memories don't go past 45c (always 40-43c during heavy gaming, which is really good for these memories and not high at all) but i would love to know how he got them stable at 1.4v , maybe its the soc voltage or something, there's so many voltages and sub timings to mess with