CPU (5800X3D) upgrade process and recommended BIOS for Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (Wi-Fi) X570

[charltvisser]

APOLOGIES FOR THE LONG POST:

Hi All,

As the subject of the post alludes to, I want to upgrade my current AMD Ryzen 7 3700X processor to a newly purchased 5800X3D, for which I am in need of advice. I have an Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (Wi-Fi) X570 motherboard.

Historically, I had a lot of trouble with the setup, originally with the 0803 version of the BIOS, though I suspect the same might have been the case for a couple of releases thereafter. I had issues with and intermittent boot issue with POST Q-Code "8d" which seemed to be common at and shortly after launch of the motherboard. After reaching out to the Asus country manager who in turn reached out to the lead BIOS programmer at Asus HQ, he shared recommendations to manually try to set VDDG voltage to 1.0v to see and SOC voltage to 1.15v, which I have a suspicion did work, though it has been so long ago I can't remember anymore. I have since also upgraded the BIOS over time to one or more newer versions with the latest being 3904. Looking at my current BIOS settings, it does seem the manual VDDG and SOC voltages are set to auto which may imply the newer release I am running from the original problem version(s) fixed the issue (requiring no manual intervention anymore).

You may ask why I am mentioning all this historical information in context of the subject regarding a CPU upgrade? Well, I am fearful my now out of warranty motherboard might decide to go faulty (heaven forbid into an unrecoverable state) if I don't take the time, effort and care to properly investigate the process and consider what the word on the streets are so to speak when it comes to this process and especially CPU and motherboard combination, not to mention BIOS versioning often playing a significant role. I don't want a CPU upgrade which is supposed to be an exciting event, to turn into a regret, nightmare and/or system instability.

My own research left me to deduce that version 4006 or perhaps even the one prior that I am running, does support the 5800X3D, based on the release note of 4006 stating: "...2. Improve system performance for AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D", though of course might not be too wise to go for the older or oldest version that supports the 5800X3D.

There has of course been several other newer versions released, but doing quick searches online suggests that some have had their own set of challenges, supposedly even the latest at the time of writing (4902). Some people are suggesting 4805 is better and others some slightly older.

This makes it really difficult to decide which BIOS version I should upgrade to before swapping (upgrading) the processor. Which BIOS version is best suited and most stable for the 5800X3D and this motherboard?

Furthermore, when should I upgrade the chipset drivers and do I also need to be worried about versioning and stable releases?

Lastly, what can you guys recommend I do to perform a BEFORE and AFTER system stability check(s) to ensure no gremlins got into the system as part of the upgrades (hardware and software)? FYI, I am running Windows 10 (22H2) 64 bit and for cooling I am using a Corsair AIO.

Many thanks in advance - much appreciated.

Best regards,

CTV

PS: Anything else I need to be aware (or weary of?)

[Demoniacstar]

you should always be running the latest version of your board bios ......bios updates come out because even windows updates, sometimes windows will push a major update that just totally screws your machine .....WHY you may ask ....because your on a old bios and the motherboard dont know about all the security changes in the os .... so then the bios trys running this old crap and the os is trying to run this new crap and they start yelling at each other hey man shut down your screwing me up !!!!!!! and off it goes .....AGESA updates are very very important ...agesa bios updates are updates for bios but that agesa is for the security features in the cpu itself new code for the cpu so even the cpu can get along with the mb board bios version better and work with the OS better ....a lot of windows crashes and pc's shutting down issues that every one wants to blame Microsoft or Asus for steams from this problem ......back in the day we could run our pc's with out ever really updating bios ..because there wuz crap security in bios back then .... now the cpu has its own security code updated via AGESA the bios gets new security updates that complement what they did with the AGESA code and the OS getting updates that are then looking for all the new features in the cpu and in the bios....and when all this gets mismatched and jacked up it breaks !!! your current version should run a new 5800x3d just fine ..id say stay with the bios you got till you install that cpu it will boot ...and so your new cpu gets the updated AGESA code with those bios updates you havent got .....last i knew you can't skip certain agesa code updates ....so dont just jump from what your on to the last one in the list ...it does say on all Asus web sites on a majority of the agesa updates that you must apply that bios version before updating to the next .... you have to pay attention to that  !!!

[Silent_Scone]

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@Demoniacstar wrote:

you should always be running the latest version of your board bios ......bios updates come out because even windows updates, sometimes windows will push a major update that just totally screws your machine

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Critical security fixes will be mentioned if applicable. Otherwise, unless there is a specific reason you required the latest firmware for a specific fix, there's no necessity to update. Enthusiast platforms orient around performance, not necessarily being compliant (that's the user's prerogative as to what they're doing with the machine).

EDIT: Seems this post didn't sit right with you.

Any vulnerability patches are listed.

Performance regressions are common in u-code updates. As above, it's the user's prerogative whether they wish to use the latest firmware. depending on the use case for the system. If a system is running smoothly and achieving the desired performance metrics, updating for the sake of being "current" isn't logical.

BIOS updates often reset overclocking, requiring time-consuming re-tuning. New microcode or memory compatibility updates can sometimes conflict with previously stable configurations.

Of course, this doesn’t mean everyone should adopt the same strategy - but your suggestion that everyone should adopt the very latest BIOS isn't tailored for everyone in a community that orients around a passion for performance.

[Demoniacstar]

this post should be pinned ...cuz i think alot on this forum need to read this .....i see so many people saying their on older bios .....its absolutely crazy...shoot make a flag ..and FLY IT .....lmao hope this helps ya man ....